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: , 26 2008, 15:00:42     : Ýñòåòè÷åñêàÿ ìåäèöèíà (Botox & ñî*)

 ñèëó ðàçëè÷íûõ îáñòîÿòåëüñòâ, ÿ çàâåðøèë ýñòåòè÷åñêî-ïðîñâåòèòåëüñêóþ äåÿòåëüíîñòü íà ðÿäå ñîñåäíèõ ôîðóìîâ...

Hî, ïîñêîëüêó, ñîâñåì áåç ïðîñâåòèòåëüñòâà ìíå âðÿä ëè âûòåðïåòü, ïîçâîëüòå, Á-ãà ðàäè, çàíÿòü òóò óãîëî÷åê ïîä ÷óòêèì íàäçîðîì íåñðàâíåííîé Ñêàðëåòò.

Ñ íåîïðåäåë¸ííîé ïåðèîäè÷íîñòüþ ÿ ïëàíèðóþ îñâåùàòü ðàçëè÷ûå àñïåêòû è ìåòîäû ýñòåòè÷åñêîé ìåäèöèíû, íó, è, ðàçóìååòñÿ, îòâå÷àòü íà âîïðîñû èíòåðåñóþùèõñÿ, åæåëè òàêîâûå áóäóò èìåòü ìåñòî.

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: , 26 2008, 15:35:23     :

Äàâàé, Ñîáåñåäíèê, äåéñòâóé!
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: , 2 2008, 18:56:21     : Re: Ýñòåòè÷åñêàÿ ìåäèöèíà (Botox & ñî*)

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Ñïàñèáî, äðóãè, çà "çåë¸íûé ñâåò".

Òóò ó ìåíÿ êàê ðàç èçîáðåòåíèå ñîçðåëî...

Íà 66 êîíãðåññå Àìåðèêàíñêîé Àêàäåìèè Äåðìàòîëîãèè (ôåâðàëü 2008) áûëà ïðåäñòàâëåíà èíòåðåñíàÿ ðàáîòà ÿïîíñêèõ èññëåäîâàòåëåé (Dr. Kawashima's team ).
Âûâîäû: ìíîæåñòâåííûå ïîâòîðíûå èíúåêöèè áîòîêñà íå âåäóò ê ñíèæåíèþ åãî ýôôåêòèâíîñòè, íå îáíàðóæåíî îáðàçîâàíèÿ àíòèòåë íè ó îäíîé èç 363 èññëåäóåìûõ ïîñëå ìíîãîêðàòíûõ èíúåêöèé.
Èíúåêöèè ìîãóò ïðîèçâîäèòüñÿ ïî ìåðå íåîáõîäèìîñòè, âíå çàâèñèìîñòè îò òîãî, êîãäà áûëà âûïîëíåíà ïîñëåäíÿÿ.

×òî ýòî íàì äà¸ò ñ ïðàêòè÷åñêîé òî÷êè çðåíèÿ?
Äëÿ íà÷àëà, îòðåäàêòèðîâàòü äîçèðîâêó ââîäèìîãî áîòîêñà â êàæäîé ïðîöåäóðå.
Òîãäà ìîæíî ïåðåñ÷èòàòü ñòîèìîñòü íå íà ó÷àñòêè, à íà åäèíèöû ïðåïàðàòà. Òàêèì îáðàçîì, èíäèâèäóàëèçèðîâàòü è, â áîëüøèíñòâå ñëó÷àåâ, çíà÷èòåëüíî óäåøåâèòü ïðîöåäóðó.
Ê ïðèìåðó, "ãóñèíûå ëàïêè", íà êîòîðûå óõîäèò áîëüøå âñåãî ïðåïàðàòà, óäàñòñÿ "îáëåã÷èòü" òîëüêî íà 10-15 åâðî (135-140), çàòî ìåæáðîâíóþ çîíó - ïî÷òè íà 50 (100).
Ïîïðàâèòü ãîðèçîíòàëüíûå ìîðùèíû íà ëáó îáîéä¸òñÿ åâðèêîâ â 50.
Ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî äåëàÿ êëàññè÷åñêèé "Full face", ìîæíî óëîæèòüñÿ â 285-290 åâðî.

Ïðè íåîáõîäèìîñòè ìîæíî â ëþáîå âðåìÿ äîáàâèòü ñ÷èòàíûå åäèíèöû â íåñêîëüêî åâðî êàæäàÿ äëÿ óñèëåíèÿ èëè ïîääåðæàíèÿ ýôôåêòà.

Åñëè ïåðåëîæèòü âñ¸ âûøå ñêàçàííîå íà ãîäîâîé èëè ìíîãîëåòíèé ðàñ÷¸ò, òî ñ òî÷êè çðåíèÿ ýêîíîìè÷åñêîé, èíúåêöèè áîòîêñà ïåðåõîäÿò èç ðàçðÿäà ðîñêîøè â îáûäåííóþ ìàëîçàòðàòíóþ è î÷åíü ýôôåêòèâíóþ ýñòåòè÷åñêóþ ïðîöåäóðó.

Ïðèäóìàë ñàì, ïîýòîìó ñîõðàíÿþ çà ñîáîé àâòîðñêèå ïðàâà.
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: , 4 2008, 11:03:48     :

Kawashima ðóëèò îäíîçíà÷íî


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: 10.11.2005
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: , 5 2008, 10:24:54     :

Çàáóãîðíîâ, ñ òåáÿ îïëàòà ìîèõ "ãóñèíûõ ëàï", ÿ âñå ãëàçà ñëîìàëà è èñùóðèëà, ÷òîá òâîâî Êàâàñàìó ðàçãëÿäåòü â ýòîì òåêñòå, ÷òî òû òàê ëþáåçíî óìåíüøèë. Laughing
Ñîáåñåäíèê, Âû áóäåòå ñìåÿòñÿ, íî â Ðîññèè ÿ âñåãäà äåëàëà ýòó ïðîöåäóðó â ðàñ÷åòå ÍÅ íà çîíû, à íà åäèíèöû. Razz Òîëüêî, âñåãäà òâåðäèëè î âûðàáîòêå èììóíèòåòà ê èíúåêöèÿì, è , íàïðèìåð, åñëè èíîãäà ýôôåêò áûë íåñòîéêèé, ò.å. ïðîõîäèë ÷åðåç 2-3 ìåñ, î íåâîçìîæíîñòè ïîâòîðíîé èíúåêöèè ðàíüøå ÷åì 4,5-5 ìåñ.
Ê ñ÷àñòüþ, õîòü íå ãîâîðèëè î òîì, ÷òî êàæäàÿ ïîñëåäóþùàÿ èíúåêöèÿ òðåáóåò áîëüøå åäèíèö â ñâÿçè ñ óñèëåíèåì èììóíèòåòà, à ñòàëî áûòü îñëàáëåíèåì äåéñòâèÿ ïðåïàðàòà. Laughing
À Êàâàøèìà ïîðàäîâàë, çäîðîâñêè.
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: , 5 2008, 11:16:57     : Äëÿ èíòåðåñóþùèõñÿ çàíèìàòåëüíàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ...

Àìåðèêàíñêîå Îáùåñòâî Ýñòåòè÷åñêîé Ïëàñòè÷åñêîé Õèðóðãèè îïóáëèêîâàëî ñòàòèñòè÷åñêèå èòîãè çà 2007 ãîä.

Âñåãî çà ãîä ïðîèçâåäåíî 11.7 ìëí ýñòåòè÷åñêèõ ïðîöåäóð (ðîñò 2% ïî îòíîøåíèþ 2006) íà îáùóþ ñóììó 13.3 ìëðä$.

Î÷åíü õàðàêòåðíûé ñëåäóþùèé ïîêàçàòåëü: ñ 1997 ïî 2007 ãîäû ðîñò õèðóðãè÷åñêèõ ïðîöåäóð ñîñòàâèë 114%, à íåõèðóðãè÷åñêèõ- 754%!

 2007 ãîäó âûïîëíåíî 18% õèðóðãè÷åñêèõ è 82% íåõèðóðãè÷åñêèõ.

Ñðåäè õèðóðãè÷åñêèõ íà ïåðâîì ìåñòå (îê 500òûñ.) ëèïîñàêöèÿ. Äàëëåå â ïåðâîé ïÿò¸ðêå: óâåëè÷åíèå ãðóäè, áëåôàðîïëàñòèêà, ïîäòÿæêà æèâîòà è óìåíüøåíèå ãðóäè.

Ñðåäè íåõèðóðãè÷åñêèõ ëèäèðóåò áîòîêñ (îê. 2.8 ìëí èíúåêöèé), çà íèì- íàïîëíåíèÿ ãèàëóðîíîâîé êèñëîòîé (îê. 1.4 ìëí).
Äàëåå ñëåäóþò ëàçåðíàÿ ýïèëÿöèÿ, ìèêðîäåðìàáðàçèÿ è ïèëèíã (ã.î. òîæå ëàçåðíûé).

Æåíùèíû ñîñòàâèëè 91% "ïðîëå÷åíûõ", îäíàêî, îòìå÷åí áîëüøèé ïðèðîñò ÷èñëà ìóæ÷èí (17%) ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ æåíùèíàìè (1%) ïî îòíîøåíèþ ê 2006 ãîäó.

Âñ¸.
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: , 5 2008, 11:28:25     :

Tina ():
Çàáóãîðíîâ, ñ òåáÿ îïëàòà ìîèõ "ãóñèíûõ ëàï", ÿ âñå ãëàçà ñëîìàëà è èñùóðèëà, ÷òîá òâîâî Êàâàñàìó ðàçãëÿäåòü â ýòîì òåêñòå, ÷òî òû òàê ëþáåçíî óìåíüøèë. Laughing
Ñîáåñåäíèê, Âû áóäåòå ñìåÿòñÿ, íî â Ðîññèè ÿ âñåãäà äåëàëà ýòó ïðîöåäóðó â ðàñ÷åòå ÍÅ íà çîíû, à íà åäèíèöû. Razz Òîëüêî, âñåãäà òâåðäèëè î âûðàáîòêå èììóíèòåòà ê èíúåêöèÿì, è , íàïðèìåð, åñëè èíîãäà ýôôåêò áûë íåñòîéêèé, ò.å. ïðîõîäèë ÷åðåç 2-3 ìåñ, î íåâîçìîæíîñòè ïîâòîðíîé èíúåêöèè ðàíüøå ÷åì 4,5-5 ìåñ.
Ê ñ÷àñòüþ, õîòü íå ãîâîðèëè î òîì, ÷òî êàæäàÿ ïîñëåäóþùàÿ èíúåêöèÿ òðåáóåò áîëüøå åäèíèö â ñâÿçè ñ óñèëåíèåì èììóíèòåòà, à ñòàëî áûòü îñëàáëåíèåì äåéñòâèÿ ïðåïàðàòà. Laughing
À Êàâàøèìà ïîðàäîâàë, çäîðîâñêè.


Ìîâî Êàâàñàìó òàê õèòðî-çàâ¸ðíóòî âûëîæèëè, ÷òî ÿ äàæå Copy-Paste ñäåëàòü íå ñìîã. Âîò åñòü ÷òî-òî áîëåå ÷èòàåìîå.

Efficacy of Botulinum Toxin Does Not Sag Over Time

Martha Kerr

February 5, 2008 (San Antonio) — A number of studies presented here at the American Association of Dermatology 66th Annual Meeting demonstrated the long-term efficacy of botulinum toxin type A.

The effectiveness of a single treatment lasts approximately 3 to 4 months, and treatment can be repeated indefinitely without a loss in intended action, investigators said.

"Botulinum toxin has been used for more than 30 years. There is no muscle atrophy over time, except for some temporal muscle atrophy, but this is compensated for with extra muscle activity in the surrounding areas," said Amy Derick, MD, FAAD, formerly of the University of Chicago and now director of Derick Dermatology in Barrington, Illinois, in an interview with Medscape Dermatology.

In one study, Japanese investigators presented data showing long-term efficacy and safety of botulinum toxin type A for glabellar lines, with response rates persisting through 64 weeks of treatment.

Makoto Kawashima, MD, from the Department of Dermatology, Tokyo Women's Medical University, Japan, was the principal investigator of a study of 363 women presenting for treatment for severe glabellar lines.

Women were randomly assigned to received either 10 or 20 U botulinum toxin type A (Botox, Allergan Inc) or placebo. Injections were given at 5 glabellar sites at each treatment. This was repeated as necessary when moderate to severe frown lines (a score of 2 or 3 on a 3-point scale) were present and at least 12 weeks had passed since the previous treatment.

"Efficacy duration did not decline after multiple treatments," Dr. Kawashima and colleagues reported. "Improvement rates were greater than 90% at week 4 at each treatment cycle."

In addition, "[r]esponse rates declined more slowly [in the 20-U group] than in the 10U group and were higher at 12 weeks in each treatment cycle."

The mean efficacy duration was longer (P < .001) in the 20-U group (17.1 ± 6.58 weeks) than in the 10-U group (14.8 ± 5.38 weeks). There was no difference in depth of line at rest compared with depth at maximum frown.

Subjects rated the success of treatment at 4 weeks at 94.5% for 20-U injections compared with 84.3% for injections of 10 U. Overall satisfaction was 76.0% for 20-U injections and 61.8% for injections of 10 U (P = .002 at week 4 of each cycle).

The incidence of blepharoptosis was 3.3% for 10-U injections and 4.4% for 20-U injections, a difference that was not statistically significant.

Neutralizing antibodies did not develop in any of the patients.

Repeated dosing "did not affect long-term efficacy and safety," with efficacy more pronounced and patient satisfaction level higher with the larger dose, Dr. Kawashima's team reported. The investigators note that there actually are a number of anecdotal reports indicating that efficacy appears to, in fact, get stronger with success treatments.

"Botulinum toxin is completely safe, and it can be repeated whenever it is needed," Dr. Derick told Medscape Dermatology. "The muscles don't atrophy, with the exception of some temporary atrophy in the temporal area. It really is completely safe, and it has been used long enough to establish its safety. It is one of the safest treatments we use."

The Japanese study was funded by Allergan, Inc. Dr. Derick has disclosed no relevant financial relationships.

American Association of Dermatology 66th Annual Meeting: Posters P936 and P937. Presented February 3, 2008.
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Ñîáåñåäíèê, Âû áóäåòå ñìåÿòñÿ, íî â Ðîññèè ÿ âñåãäà äåëàëà ýòó ïðîöåäóðó â ðàñ÷åòå ÍÅ íà çîíû, à íà åäèíèöû. Razz Òîëüêî, âñåãäà òâåðäèëè î âûðàáîòêå èììóíèòåòà ê èíúåêöèÿì, è , íàïðèìåð, åñëè èíîãäà ýôôåêò áûë íåñòîéêèé, ò.å. ïðîõîäèë ÷åðåç 2-3 ìåñ, î íåâîçìîæíîñòè ïîâòîðíîé èíúåêöèè ðàíüøå ÷åì 4,5-5 ìåñ.
Ê ñ÷àñòüþ, õîòü íå ãîâîðèëè î òîì, ÷òî êàæäàÿ ïîñëåäóþùàÿ èíúåêöèÿ òðåáóåò áîëüøå åäèíèö â ñâÿçè ñ óñèëåíèåì èììóíèòåòà, à ñòàëî áûòü îñëàáëåíèåì äåéñòâèÿ ïðåïàðàòà. Laughing
À Êàâàøèìà ïîðàäîâàë, çäîðîâñêè.

Ñìåÿòüñÿ íå áóäó, ïîòîìó ÷òî â Ðîññèè è Øòàòàõ èçíà÷àëüíî ñ÷èòàþò íà åäèíèöû, à â Åâðîïå íà çîíû.

Ïîìíþ, êàê-òî íà èíôðàíñå, ôîðóì÷àíêà ðàññêàçûâàëà, ÷òî åé êîëîëè íèæíèå âåêè â Ðîññèè è âçÿëè çà 114 åäèíèö, ò.å. áîëüøå, ÷åì âñÿ áóòûëêà áîòîêñà...

Íî ðå÷ü íå îá ýòîì...

Äåéñòâèòåëüíî, ìû ðåêîìåíäîâàëè èíúåêöèè íå ÷àùå, ÷åì ðàç â 4 ìåñÿöà.
Ò.å. , ïðàêòè÷åñêè, êàæäàÿ ñëåäóþøàÿ èíúåêöèÿ ïðîèçâîäèëàñü, êîãäà äåéñòâèå ïðåäûäóùåé ïî÷òè çàêàí÷èâàëîñü. Ïîýòîìó âñÿêèé ðàç äîçà áûëà "ïî ïîëíîé ïðîãðàììå".

Òåïåðü, ëîãè÷íî ïðåäïîëîæèòü, ÷òî ìàëûìè äîçàìè ñ áîëüøåé ÷àñòîòîé, íå äîæèäàÿñü îñëàáëåíèÿ ýôôåêòà, ìîæíî ïîääåðæèâàòü ðåçóëüòàò äî áåñêîíå÷íîñòè è ñ ìèíèìàëüíûìè äåíåæíûìè çàòðàòàìè.

Çàâòðà ÿ âñòðå÷àþñü ñî ñâîèì ýêîíîìèñòîì, èçëîæó åìó èäåþ, ïîïûòàåìñÿ ïîñ÷èòàòü êîíêðåòíî.
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Ïîìíþ, êàê-òî íà èíôðàíñå, ôîðóì÷àíêà ðàññêàçûâàëà, ÷òî åé êîëîëè íèæíèå âåêè â Ðîññèè è âçÿëè çà 114 åäèíèö, ò.å. áîëüøå, ÷åì âñÿ áóòûëêà áîòîêñà...
Õè, ýòî èç ðàçðÿäà àíåêäîòîâ ïðî íîâûõ ðóññêèõ è ãàëñòóê çà 10 òûù åâð? Laughing Åñëè ó÷åñòü, ÷òî â Ðîññèè åäèíèöà ñòîèò îò äåñÿòè äî òðèäöàòè åâð, íåõèëûå íèæíèå âåêè ó äåâóøêè. Cool è ïîäêàëûâàåò, íåáîñü, ðàç â íåäåëþ? Ïðàëüíî, à ÷òî ìåëî÷èòüñÿ...
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(ãëÿäÿ â çåðêàëî) ß âîò âñå äóìàþ, êîëîòüñÿ èëè íå êîëîòüñÿ? Rolling Eyes

Íî áîëåå ìåíÿ èíòåðåñóåò, êàê ñîõðàíÿòü êîíòóð ëèöà îò ïåðåìåí?
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: 16.04.2006
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(ãëÿäÿ â çåðêàëî) ß âîò âñå äóìàþ, êîëîòüñÿ èëè íå êîëîòüñÿ? Rolling Eyes

Íî áîëåå ìåíÿ èíòåðåñóåò, êàê ñîõðàíÿòü êîíòóð ëèöà îò ïåðåìåí?

Òóò ìíå òîâàðèù ñáðîñèë îäíó èç Âàøèõ ïîñëåäíèõ ôîòî...
Íè åäèíîãî èçúÿíà (òüôó-òüôó-òüôó).

Íî, ÷òî âåðíî-òî âåðíî, ñàíè íàäî ãîòîâèòü ëåòîì.

Êîíòóð ëèöà ìåíÿåòñÿ ïîä âîçäåéñòâèåì ðÿäà ôàêòîðîâ. Öåíòðàëüíûé èç íèõ íåèçìåíåí è íàì íå ïîäâëàñòåí- ãðàâèòàöèÿ.
Ò.å. ïîñòîÿííàÿ ñèëà òÿíåò íàøó êîæó âíèç.
Äî êàêîãî-òî ìîìåíòà åé ñîïðîòèâëÿþòñÿ òóðãîð êîæè (êîëëàãåí+ãèàëóðîíîâàÿ êèñëîòà+âîëîêíà ýëàñòèíà+êëåò÷àòêà è ò.ï.), ìóñêóëàòóðà ëèöà (ò.í. ýëåâàòîðû-òÿíóùèå íàâåðõ).

Ñî âðåìåíåì ñèëû ñîïðîòèâëåíèÿ ñäàþò ïîçèöèè.

Ê ïðèìåðó, ê 40 ãîäàì ìû òåðÿåì 50% ãèàëóðîíîâîé êèñëîòû.

Âûáîð ìåòîäà áîðüáû ñ ïðîáëåìîé çàâèñèò îò ñòåïåíè âûðàæåííîñòè èçìåíåíèé è, ðàçóìååòñÿ, ñ ó÷¸òîì ìåõàíèçìà.

Çíà÷èò, äëÿ ïðîôèëàêòèêè íóæíî âçâåñèòü èíúåêöèè ãèàëóðîíîâîé êèñëîòû (ìåçîòåðàïèÿ), ñòèìóëÿöèþ êîëëàãåíà è âîëîêîí ( ìåçîòåðàïèÿ, àïïàðàòíûå ìåòîäû- ÝËÎÑ, IPL, LASER è ò.ï.), îñëàáëåíèå ìûøö, òÿíóùèõ âíèç, ò.í. äåïðåññîðîâ, îñíîâíîé èç êîòîðûõ ÿâëÿåòñÿ ïëàòèçìà. Äåëàåòñÿ ýòî áîòîêñîì.

Ýòî â îáùèõ ÷åðòàõ î êîíòóðå ëèöà...
Tina



: 10.11.2005
: 4579

: , 10 2008, 13:51:04     :

8 ìàðòà ïî æàíòèéíîìó ôðàíöóçñêîìó òåëåâèäåíèþ áûë ðåïîðòàæ ïîä çàãîëîâêîì: "ÑÎÑ -áîòîêñ! "Çâåçäû" â ñìåðòåëüíîé îïàñíîñòè!"
Áîëòàëè ÷òî-òî î "íîâûõ ðàçðàáîòêàõ àìåðèêàíñêèõ ó÷åíûõ", êîòîðûå ïðèøëè ê âûâîäó, ÷òî áîòîêñ íåáåçîïàñåí, è ÷òî 6 ÷åë óæå óìåðëî (òóò æå ñâîè 5 êîï âñòàâèë êàêîé-òî äîêòîð, ñêàçàë î òîì, ÷òî ñìåðòü íàñòóïèëà â ðåçóëüòàòå ïðåâûøåíèÿ äîïóñòèìîé äîçû â 30 ðàç, íî íà ýòî âíèìàíèå íå îáðàòèëè), ïðîäîëæèëè î òîì, ÷òî ìîæåò âîîáùå ëèöî ïåðåêîñèòü, ãëàç çàêðûòüñÿ è íå îòêðûòüñÿ íè-êà-äà! Êñòàòè, âåäóùàÿ ïåðåäà÷è áûëà ñ òèïè÷íî "ïåðåáîòîêñåííûì" íåïîäâèæíûì ëèöîì...ß, êîíå÷íî èñõèõèêàëàñü òàì, íî ãàäåíüêî áûëî. Ïîìíþ ïîäîáíûå ïåðåäà÷è â 2003 ãîäó âî Ôðàíöèè, ïåðåä òåì êàê íà ðûíîê âûøåë êðåì "ñ ýôôåêòîì áîòîêñà": "Íå íàäî êîëîòüñÿ, ýòî âðåäíî! Ïîìàæüòåñü íàøèì ÷óäîäåéñòâåííûì êðåìîì è âñå ìîðùèíû îòâàëÿòñÿ ñàìè ñîáîé!" Laughing . Âîò èíòåðåñíî, òåïåðü îíè ÷òî çàäóìàëè? ×òî ýòè âñÿêèå êîñìåòèñòû-åñòåòèñüÿíû íîâåíüêîãî ïîïûòàþòñÿ òîëêíóòü ïîä øóìîê ýòîé íîâîé èñòåðèêè?
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Íå áóäèòå âî ìíå ñòåðâó! Îíà è òàê, áåäíÿæêà, íå âûñûïàåòñÿ.
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: 12.03.2006
: 548
: Êèåâ - Ïàðèæ è åãî îêðåñíîñòè

: , 10 2008, 21:41:14     :

Tina ():
Âîò èíòåðåñíî, òåïåðü îíè ÷òî çàäóìàëè? ×òî ýòè âñÿêèå êîñìåòèñòû-åñòåòèñüÿíû íîâåíüêîãî ïîïûòàþòñÿ òîëêíóòü ïîä øóìîê ýòîé íîâîé èñòåðèêè?

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Êàê æå? À óäîâîëüñòâèå âûäåëÿòüñÿ èç ñåðîé ìàññû íè÷åãî íå ñòîèò, íåèçìåííî âûãëÿäÿ íà íåîïðåäåë¸ííûå 30-40?
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