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Ñàìûé ñòðàøíûé ïðåçèäåíò

69% áðèòàíöåâ óâåðåíû, ÷òî ïîëèòèêà Áóøà ñäåëàëà ìèð ìåíåå áåçîïàñíûì
3.11.2006, 14:13
Òåêñò: Êèðèëë Êîìàðîâ

Ïðåçèäåíò ÑØÀ Äæîðäæ Áóø îïàñåí äëÿ ìèðà áîëüøå, ÷åì ãëàâû Èðàíà è ÊÍÄÐ Ìàõìóä Àõìàäèíåæàä è Êèì ×åí Èð, à òàêæå ëèäåð «Õåçáîëëàõà» Õàñàí Íàñðàëëà. Ê òàêîìó âûâîäû ïðèøëè ñîöèîëîãè, îïðîñèâ æèòåëåé íàèáîëåå áëèçêèõ ê ÑØÀ ñòðàí – Âåëèêîáðèòàíèè, Ìåêñèêè, Êàíàäû è Èçðàèëÿ. Ñèëüíåå Áóøà àìåðèêàíñêèå ñîþçíèêè áîÿòñÿ òîëüêî Óñàìó áåí Ëàäåíà.

Ãëàâà Áåëîãî äîìà êîãäà-òî ïðè÷èñëèë Èðàí è ÊÍÄÐ ê «îñè çëà», íî èìåííî ïîëèòèêà ñàìîãî Äæîðäæà Áóøà òðåâîæèò æèòåëåé Âåëèêîáðèòàíèè, Ìåêñèêè, Êàíàäû è Èçðàèëÿ ãîðàçäî áîëüøå, ÷åì «ÿäåðíûå ïðîãðàììû» Ìàõìóäà Àõìàäèíåæàäà è Êèì ×åí Èðà.


Îïðîñ â ýòèõ ÷åòûðåõ ãîñóäàðñòâàõ, èìåþùèõ íàèáîëåå òåñíûå ñâÿçè ñ Ñîåäèíåííûìè Øòàòàìè, áûë ïðîâåäåí âåäóùèìè ãàçåòàìè – áðèòàíñêîé Guardian, èçðàèëüñêîé Ha’aretz, êàíàäñêèìè La Presse è Toronto Star è ìåêñèêàíñêîé Reforma.

Îïðîñèâ ïî÷òè ïî òûñÿ÷è æèòåëåé êàæäîé ñòðàíû ìåòîäîì ñëó÷àéíîé âûáîðêè, èññëåäîâàòåëè êîíñòàòèðóþò, ÷òî 69% áðèòàíöåâ óâåðåíû, ÷òî ïîëèòèêà Áóøà ñäåëàëà ìèð ìåíåå áåçîïàñíûì ïîñëå òåðàêòîâ 11 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2001 ãîäà (ëèøü 7% áðèòàíöåâ óâåðåíû â îáðàòíîì). Àíàëîãè÷íîãî ìíåíèÿ ïðèäåðæèâàþòñÿ 62% êàíàäöåâ è 57% ìåêñèêàíöåâ. Äàæå â Èçðàèëå, íàöèîíàëüíóþ áåçîïàñíîñòü êîòîðîãî, ïî ñóòè, îáåñïå÷èâàþò Ñîåäèíåííûå Øòàòû, òîëüêî êàæäûé ÷åòâåðòûé ãîâîðèò, ÷òî Áóø äåëàåò ìèð áåçîïàñíûì. 36% óâåðåíû â îáðàòíîì, à 30% - ÷òî âñå îñòàëîñü êàê ïðåæäå.

Áîëüøèíñòâî æèòåëåé Âåëèêîáðèòàíèè, Ìåêñèêè, Êàíàäû è Èçðàèëÿ îñóæäàþò âòîðæåíèå â Èðàê – íåãàòèâíî ê íà÷àëó èðàêñêîé êàìïàíèè îòíîñÿòñÿ 71% áðèòàíöåâ, 89% ìåêñèêàíöåâ è 73% êàíàäöåâ.  Èçðàèëå ïðîöåíò íå îäîáðÿþùèõ âîéíó â Èðàêå ñóùåñòâåííî íèæå – 59%, çà äâà ãîäà ÷èñëî ïðîòèâíèêîâ âîéíû óâåëè÷èëîñü íà 25%.

Ïðè ýòîì íè îäèí æèòåëü ýòèõ ÷åòûðåõ ñòðàí íå ñ÷èòàåò, ÷òî â Àôãàíèñòàíå è â Èðàêå ÑØÀ ïðîäâèãàþò äåìîêðàòèþ.

 ðåçóëüòàòå Äæîðäæà Áóøà ñ÷èòàþò ãëàâíûì ìèðîâûì çëîäååì. Ñèëüíåå àìåðèêàíñêîãî ëèäåðà áîÿòñÿ òîëüêî Óñàìó áåí Ëàäåíà. Íàïðèìåð, â Áðèòàíèè ëèäåðà «Àëü-Êàèäû» ñ÷èòàþò èñòî÷íèêîì ìèðîâîãî áåñïîêîéñòâà 87% îïðîøåííûõ, â òî âðåìÿ êàê î Áóøå òàê äóìàþò 75%.

«Òðåòüèì» ìèðîâûì çëîäååì áðèòàíöû ñ÷èòàþò ëèäåðà ñåâåðîêîðåéñêîãî ïðåçèäåíòà Êèì ×åí Èðà (69% ñ÷èòàþò, ÷òî îí óãðîæàåò ïëàíåòå), çà íèì ñëåäóþò ëèäåð ãðóïïèðîâêè «Õåçáàëëàõ» Õàñàí Íàñðàëëà (65 %) è ïðåçèäåíò Èðàíà Ìàõìóä Àõìàäèíåæàä (62%).

Òîëüêî 10% áðèòàíöåâ óâåðåíû, ÷òî ïîëèòèêà Áóøà íå ïðåäñòàâëÿåò íèêàêîé îïàñíîñòè. Ñàìûå äîâåð÷èâûå ïî îòíîøåíèþ ê Áóøó – èçðàèëüòÿíå: 23% ñ÷èòàþò, ÷òî îí îïàñåí, 61% ïðèäåðæèâàþòñÿ ïðîòèâîïîëîæíîãî ìíåíèÿ.

Ðàíåå àíàëîãè÷íûå îïðîñû áûëè ïðîâåäåíû â Åâðîïå - Ôðàíöèè, Ãåðìàíèè, Èòàëèè è Èñïàíèè. Æèòåëè âñåõ ýòèõ ãîñóäàðñòâ, êðîìå èòàëüÿíöåâ, ñ÷èòàþò ÑØÀ ñàìûì îïàñíûì ãîñóäàðñòâîì. Àìåðèêó íàçûâàåò óãðîçîé ìèðîâîé ñòàáèëüíîñòè ïðèìåðíî êàæäûé òðåòèé æèòåëü Åâðîïû.

Äàëåå â ñïèñêå ãëàâíûõ âðàãîâ ìèðà ñëåäóþò Èðàí (23%), Êèòàé (15%), Èðàê (14%), Ñåâåðíàÿ Êîðåÿ (8%) è Ðîññèÿ (2%). Ëèøü èòàëüÿíöû âûñêàçàëè ëîÿëüíîñòü ïî îòíîøåíèþ ê Øòàòàì – ïî ìíåíèþ Èòàëèè, îïàñíåéøåé ñòðàíîé ìèðà ñåé÷àñ ÿâëÿåòñÿ Èðàí.

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: 13.03.2005
: 345

: , 9 2006, 01:13:23     :

Ëîàíêà, íå ïåðåæèâàè... Âèäèøü ñòîèëî òåáå òîëüêî çàïîñòèòü è ÷åðåç íåäåëþ óæå ðåçóëüòàò. Óñëûøàë áîã (è íàðîä Àìåðèêè) òâîè ìîëèòâû...
Â÷åðà è ñåãîäíÿ òàì áûëè âûáîðû â Ñåíàò è Êîíãðåññ (â êîòîðûõ óæå ìíîãèå ãîäû çàïðàâëÿëè ðåñïóáëèêàíöû, òî åñòü äðóçüÿ Áóøà). È òàê êàê 67% íàñåëåíèÿ íå îäîáðÿëè ïîëèòèêó Áóøà (â îñíîâíîì îòíîñÿùóþñÿ ê Èðàêó), îíè ðåøèëè êèíóòü ðåñïóáëèêàíöåâ è ïðîãîëîâîâàëè ïîõîæå çà äåìîêðàòîâ, êîòîðûå òåïåðü (ñ ßíâàðÿ ñëåäóþùåãî ãîäà) áóäóò çàïðàâëàòü è â Ñåíàòå è â Êîíãðåññå, ìåäëåííî êàïàÿ Áóøó íà ìîçãè... Êñòàòè, ïîñëå ðåçóëüòàòîâ ãîëîñîâàíèÿ, ñåãîäíÿ, Ìèíèñòð Îáîðîíû ÑØÀ óøåë â îòñòàâêó...

Are you surprised the Democrats took the House?
No 87%
Yes 13%
Total Votes: 241,529

Did you want the Democrats to take the House?
Yes 64%
No 31%
I didn't care either way 5%


Íèæå ïðèâîæó íåñêîëüêî îòðûâêîâ èç ïðåññû.

Democrats Win House, Move Closer to Control of Senate (Update7)

By Kristin Jensen and Michael Forsythe

Nov. 8 (Bloomberg) -- Democrats captured the U.S. House of Representatives for the first time in 12 years and moved close to taking control of the Senate after a midterm campaign shaped by the war in Iraq and corruption scandals.

Capitalizing on President George W. Bush's declining popularity, Democrats picked up at least 27 House seats, ensuring control of the 435-seat chamber in January. They wrested four Senate seats from Republicans, two shy of the six needed for a majority, as races in Virginia and Montana remained in doubt.

The results set the stage for two years of divided government as Bush attempts to get his policy initiatives through a Democratic House. Bush will also face the possibility of investigations into his administration and a series of new initiatives from Democratic committee chairmen.

``The American people voted for change and they voted for Democrats to take our country in a new direction, and that is exactly what we intend to do,'' said California Representative Nancy Pelosi, who is set to become the first female speaker of the House in January. ``Democrats are ready to lead.''

`Overhanging Cloud'

``The overhanging cloud in this election is the war in Iraq,'' Bill Archer, a former Republican representative from Texas, said on Bloomberg Television. ``It really has brought down many, many Republicans who would otherwise win.''

Experts had predicted only modest Democratic gains until around midyear when Democratic momentum began to build. Going into yesterday, 35 House seats, 33 held by Republicans, were regarded as competitive. Another 30 seats were at least in play, and 27 of those were held by Republicans.

Bush watched the returns in his private study in the White House residence and was informed after 11 p.m. Washington time that the Republicans had lost the House, Bartlett said.

``We readily accept the fact that the House will change to a Democratic majority, and the president looks forward to speaking tomorrow with the new leadership,'' Bartlett said.





Bush, Stung By Election Loss, May Need to Change Style, Agenda

By Richard Keil and Catherine Dodge

Nov. 8 (Bloomberg) -- The political world that George W. Bush inhabited for the last six years -- the one he ruled -- ended yesterday.

The new world, in which Democrats have picked up more than the 15 seats needed to control the House while bolstering their ranks in the Senate, will require painful adjustments in the president's governing style, compelling him to choose between the role of a partisan warrior or a more conciliatory leader who seeks bipartisan accords to get things done.

Bush's agenda will change, too. He'll be under intense pressure to pull troops from Iraq; defense of his tax cuts will become more difficult; and plans to revamp New Deal-era social programs will be downsized, or ditched. Immigration overhaul, an energy independence plan, and the pursuit of free-trade pacts may be doable goals -- if Bush can cut deals with foes he once steamrolled.

``It's a new day,'' said former Louisiana Democratic Senator John Breaux. ``If the president wants to get some things accomplished, he's going to have to involve the Democrats.''




Democratic Win Will Lead to More Pressure for Iraq Exit Plan

By Janine Zacharia

Nov. 8 (Bloomberg) -- Triumphant Democrats who won control of the House yesterday by hammering the Bush administration's handling of Iraq may be unable to fulfill a promise to do better because of internal splits and limited influence.

In speeches and campaign advertisements, Democrats persuaded a majority of their voters that they could accelerate a pullout of U.S. forces if they won. Democrats now face the prospect of becoming associated with the Iraq problem if they are unable to satisfy those expectations.

``The great risk for Democrats is that the Republicans will try to saddle them with the responsibility for Iraq,'' said Richard Holbrooke, the former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.

The election results may make matters worse for President George W. Bush as he tries to balance calls for a pullout of U.S. forces against the need to maintain enough troops to prevent a full-blown civil war. Disgruntled Republicans have joined Democrats in pressuring Bush to begin to plot an exit.

Limited Power

Democratic gains ``will be read correctly as a very strong message to the president that the American people want to change course in Iraq and want to begin a reduction in our presence there by the end of the year,'' Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat, predicted on Nov. 2.

If Bush rebuffs the election results and pressure from his own party, there is little the Democrats can do on their own. ``Congress doesn't have any formal capacity to take direct action,'' said Stephen Walt, a professor at Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

While they can lobby the White House for a new direction, holding up their victory as a mandate for change, and conduct investigative hearings, the president is ultimately responsible for foreign policy.

War Money

A Democratic House is unlikely to wield its ultimate legislative weapon -- the power to control appropriations for the military. The incoming House speaker, Nancy Pelosi of California, has pledged not to cut funding for the war effort.

``The idea that their control immediately leads to a unified plan that takes us in a different direction, I think, is overly optimistic,'' Walt said.

Americans appear to expect Democrats to do just that. A New York Times/CBS News poll published Nov. 2 found 64 percent of the U.S. public disapproving of the way Bush is handling the war. Ninety-two percent of Democrats said they expected American troops will be taken out of Iraq more quickly under a Democratic-led Congress.

The Iraqi government is wary of any rapid pullout. ``I think that there is an awareness on the part of most responsible officials of both parties that a precipitous withdrawal from Iraq is not in anyone's interests, certainly not in the interests of anyone who would like to see stability restored,'' Feisal al-Istrabadi, Iraq's deputy ambassador to the United Nations, said in an interview.

Voters were motivated to back Democrats in part ``because they see them as more likely to bring the war to an end,'' said Robert Dallek, who has written nine books on presidential and election history.


Democrats on Brink of Senate Control
By CALVIN WOODWARD


WASHINGTON (Nov. Cool -- Democrats won a cliffhanger race in Montana on Wednesday that took them to the brink of control of the Senate, after Americans sick of scandal and weary of war brought down the Republican House majority.

"It was a thumpin,'" President Bush told reporters at a White House news conference.

Reflecting the redrawn Washington landscape, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld agreed to step down, satisfying Democratic demands.

With Democrats now assured of 50 Senate seats, the battle for outright control came down to Virginia, where the party's candidate, Jim Webb, held a small lead.

For Republicans, it was an election that started out grim and got only grimmer with the new day. First, voters brought down the Republican House majority after 12 years in power, and gave Democrats a majority of governorships for the first time in just as long.

Bush called Democratic leaders to congratulate them and he expressed both disappointment and surprise over the vote.


Democrats Take Control of House
Return to Power After 12 Years of GOP Control
By LIZ SIDOTI
AP
WASHINGTON (Nov. Cool -- Democrats won control of the House early Wednesday after a dozen years of Republican rule in a resounding repudiation of a war, a president and a scandal-scarred Congress.

By 5:15 a.m. Wednesday, Democrats had won 228 seats, enough for control, and were leading for another 4, which would give them 232. Republicans, who hold 229 seats in the current House, won 193 and were leading in another 10, which would give them 203.

Democrats had captured 27 Republican-controlled seats, and no Democratic incumbent had lost thus far. Races were too close to call in more than a dozen seats, making it impossible to determine exactly how large the Democratic margin would be.

Still, 2006 already was an eerie reversal of 1994, when the GOP gained 54 seats in a wave that toppled Democrats after four decades. No Republican incumbent lost that year.

This time, Republicans fell from power in every region of the country -- conservative, liberal and moderate -- as well as in every type of district -- urban, rural and suburban. Exit polls showed middle class voters who fled to the GOP a dozen years ago appeared to return to the Democrats.
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Ëîàíêà, íå ïåðåæèâàè... Âèäèøü ñòîèëî òåáå òîëüêî çàïîñòèòü è ÷åðåç íåäåëþ óæå ðåçóëüòàò. Óñëûøàë áîã (è íàðîä Àìåðèêè) òâîè ìîëèòâû...


Ñïàñèáî, äÿäþøêà, çà äîáðóþ âåñòî÷êó. Very Happy
Äà åñëè ÷åñòíî, ÿ îñîáî-òî íå ìîëèëàñü íà ýòó òåìó. Wink Laughing

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Â÷åðà è ñåãîäíÿ òàì áûëè âûáîðû â Ñåíàò è Êîíãðåññ (â êîòîðûõ óæå ìíîãèå ãîäû çàïðàâëÿëè ðåñïóáëèêàíöû, òî åñòü äðóçüÿ Áóøà). È òàê êàê 67% íàñåëåíèÿ íå îäîáðÿëè ïîëèòèêó Áóøà (â îñíîâíîì îòíîñÿùóþñÿ ê Èðàêó)


Âîò îáúÿñíè-êà ìíå, êàê õóäîæíèê õóäîæíèêó, ïî÷åìó íàðîäó ïîíàäîáèëîñü ñòîëüêî âðåìåíè, ÷òîáû íà÷àòü "íå îäîáðÿòü" åãî ïîëèòèêó?
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Òåïåðü óæå õîðîøî êîíå÷íî çàêîí÷èòü, òîëüêî òîëêó ìàëîâàòî: le mal est fait....

Íî ìíå âñåðàâíî èíòåðåñíî - êàêèì îáðàçîì ïîëó÷èëîñü, ÷òî íàðîä-òàêè ïîääåðæèâàë âîéíó àæ äî ïîñëåäíåãî âðåìåíè? Question
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Ýòî âñå çíàìåíóþò íà÷àëî êîíöà âîéíû â Èðàêå

Âðîäå "êîíöà âîéíû â Àôãàíèñòàíå". Ïîñàäÿò íóæíîãî ÷åëîâåêà âî ãëàâå ïðàâèòåëüñòâà, ÑÌÈ ïåðåñòàíóò âñïîìèíàòü ïðî ýòó ñòðàíó, à âçðûâû òàê è áóäóò ïðîäîëæàòüñÿ.
ß òóò ïðî Àôãàíèñòàí èñêàëà èíôó â èíåòå ïðî îäíî êîíêðåòíîå ñîáûòèå, òàê íå íàøëà. Âîîáùå, ñêàæó ÿ âàì, ìàëî ÷åãî íàøëà. Ê ÷åìó áû ýòî?!
Âîò è ïðî Èðàê, íàâåðíîå òàê æå ñäåëàþò. Çàäâèíóò åãî ïîäàëüøå, à òî îí íåêîòîðûì âñþ ïîëèòèêó ïðàâëåíèÿ ïîäðûâàåò Twisted Evil
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À âåäü, åñëè ïðèçàäóìàòüñÿ, ìîæíî áûëî êîí÷èòü, íå íà÷àâ? Óäóøèòü â çàðîäûøå, òàê ñêàçàòü Shocked

À âîò ýòîãî áûëî ñäåëàòü íåëüçÿ. Àìåðèêàíöû ÄÎËÆÍÛ áûëè êîãî-òî àòàêîâàòü, âûáîð ïàë íà Èðàê....
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À âîò ýòîãî áûëî ñäåëàòü íåëüçÿ. Àìåðèêàíöû ÄÎËÆÍÛ áûëè êîãî-òî àòàêîâàòü, âûáîð ïàë íà Èðàê....

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Âðîäå "êîíöà âîéíû â Àôãàíèñòàíå". Ïîñàäÿò íóæíîãî ÷åëîâåêà âî ãëàâå ïðàâèòåëüñòâà, ÑÌÈ ïåðåñòàíóò âñïîìèíàòü ïðî ýòó ñòðàíó, à âçðûâû òàê è áóäóò ïðîäîëæàòüñÿ.

Ïîñàäèòü òî åãî ìîæåò è ïîñàäÿò.....ãäå-íèáóäü â áåòîíèðîâàííîì áóíêåðå. Íî òîëüêî ïðîñèäèò îí òàì ðîâíî ñòîëüêî, ñêîëüêî àìåðèêàíñêàÿ àðìèÿ îñòàíåòñÿ â Èðàêå. Êàê òîëüêî àìåðèêàíöû ðàçâåðíóòñÿ ôýéñîì íà Ôàòåðëÿíä - òàê òóò æå åãî è çàìî÷àò, ïðè÷¸ì íå èñêëþ÷åíî ÷òî ñâîè æå....
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Íå ïîíèìàþ ñëîâî "äîëæíû". Êîìó äîëæíû? Çà ÷òî? Confused

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Âðîäå "êîíöà âîéíû â Àôãàíèñòàíå". Ïîñàäÿò íóæíîãî ÷åëîâåêà âî ãëàâå ïðàâèòåëüñòâà, ÑÌÈ ïåðåñòàíóò âñïîìèíàòü ïðî ýòó ñòðàíó, à âçðûâû òàê è áóäóò ïðîäîëæàòüñÿ.

Ïîñàäèòü òî åãî ìîæåò è ïîñàäÿò.....ãäå-íèáóäü â áåòîíèðîâàííîì áóíêåðå. Íî òîëüêî ïðîñèäèò îí òàì ðîâíî ñòîëüêî, ñêîëüêî àìåðèêàíñêàÿ àðìèÿ îñòàíåòñÿ â Èðàêå. Êàê òîëüêî àìåðèêàíöû ðàçâåðíóòñÿ ôýéñîì íà Ôàòåðëÿíä - òàê òóò æå åãî è çàìî÷àò, ïðè÷¸ì íå èñêëþ÷åíî ÷òî ñâîè æå....


Èç ÷åãî ñëåäóåò ÷òî äèêòàòóðà òàì íåèçáåæíà? Äðóãèìè ñëîâàìè ÷òîáû óäåðæàòü âëàñòü íóæíî áûòü äåñïîòîì?
Åñëè àìåðèêàíöû ñåé÷àñ âûâåäóò âîéñêà òî â Èðàêå áóäåò ñàìàÿ áîëüøàÿ áàçà ïî ïîäãîòîâêå òåððîðèñòîâ, êîòîðûå ïîòîì Àìåðèêó æå è ðàçáîìáÿò. Òàê ÷òî ó àìåðèêè âûáîðà íåò, ñèäåòü åé â Èðàêå äî âòîðîãî ïðèøåñòâèÿ... Twisted Evil
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È âìåñòî òîòàëèòàðíîãî, íî, â öåëîì, äîñòàòî÷íî ñâåòñêîãî ïðåäñêàçóåìîãî ãîñóäàðñòâà ïîëó÷èòü åùå îäèí ïëàöäàðì äëÿ ðàñïðîñòðàíåíèÿ èñëàìñêîãî ôóíäàìåíòàëèçìà, òåððîðèçìà è ïðî÷èõ ñîïóòñòâóþùèõ "ïðåëåñòåé".
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Äà åòî âñå ôèãíÿ... ÿ â÷åðà íàøåë îòëè÷íîå ñàììàðè î äðóãèõ âîïðîñàõ ïî ãîëîñîâàíèþ â ðàçëè÷íûõ øòàòàõ... âîïðîñû: áðà÷íûè ñîþç äëÿ ãîìîñåêñóàëèñòîâ, ñòåì ñåë èññëåäîâàíèÿ, çàïðåò íà àáîðòû, äîëæåí ëè áûòü àíãëèèñêèè åäèíñòâåííûì ãîñóäàðñòâåííûì ÿçûêîì, ãîëîñîâàíèå î èììèãðàöèè/èììèãðàíòàõ, óâåëè÷åíèå ìèíèìàëüíîè çàðàáîòíîè ïëàòû, ôîíäèðîâàíèå àëüòåðíàòèâíûõ èñòî÷íèêîâ åíåðãèè, è ò.ä. è ò.ï... îòëè÷íîå ñàììàðè... è... ïîòåðÿë ëèíê... à äðóãîãî òàêîãî íàèòè íå ìîãó...ïîïðîáóþ âñå æå íàèòè... äîâîëüíî èíòåðåñíî êàê ðàçíûå øòàòû ãîëîñóþò ïî ðàçíîìó...
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Äÿäþ! Íó äîïóñòèì, ÷òî íå îäîáðèëè ïî èíûì ïóíêòàì, íåæåëè ïî âîéíå â Èðàêå, íî âñåðàâíî: âîçüìè õîòÿ áû áðàê ãîìîñåêñóàëèñòîâ, àáîðòû è èñòî÷íèêè ýíåðãèè... - óæ ïî ýòèì-òî òîæå äàâíûì-äàâíî ìîæíî áûëî ýòîãî òîâàðèùà (êîòîðûé íàì ñîâñåì íå òîâàðèù), ñ åãî âçãëÿäàìè ýïîõè êðåñòîâûõ ïîõîäîâ, ÍÅ îäîáðèòü, è íå ïåðååèçáèðàòü...?
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 Ãåðìàíèè ñîñòàâëåí ñïèñîê ñàìûõ äîðîãèõ âåùåé â ìèðå. Ñàìûì äîðîãèì ñåðèéíûì àâòîìîáèëåì ñòàë Maybach 62. Íàèáîëåå äîðîãèìè ïðîäóêòàìè ïèòàíèÿ áûëè ïðèçíàíû êàðòîôåëü è êîôå. Ñàìûì äîðîãèì ôóòáîëèñòîì ïðèçíàí çàêîí÷èâøèé â ýòîì ãîäó ñâîþ ñïîðòèâíóþ êàðüåðó Çèíåäèí Çèäàí. À ñàìóþ äîðîãóþ æåíùèíó â ìèðå îöåíèëè â 1 ìëðä. äîëëàðîâ.

 Ãåðìàíèè ñîñòàâëåí ñïèñîê ñàìûõ äîðîãèõ âåùåé â ìèðå.  íåì âñåãî 23 ïóíêòà, íî òóäà âõîäÿò íå òîëüêî ñàìûé äîðîãîé àâòîìîáèëü è ñàìûé äîðîãîé êîñòþì, íî è ñàìàÿ äîðîãàÿ ïà÷êà ñèãàðåò, à òàêæå ñàìàÿ äîðîãàÿ æåíùèíà è ñàìûé äîðîãîé ôóòáîëèñò.

Ñàìûì äîðîãèì ñåðèéíûì àâòîìîáèëåì ñòàë Maybach 62, îí ñòîèò «âñåãî ëèøü» 360 òûñ. åâðî. Åãî ñèäåíüÿ òðàíñôîðìèðóþòñÿ â ëåæà÷åå ïîëîæåíèå, èìååòñÿ DVD-ïëååð è Doulby Surround Sound.

Ñàìîé äîðîãîé îäåæäîé â ìèðå, ïî ìíåíèþ ãàçåòû Bild, ñòàë êîñòþì, òóôëè è áþñòãàëüòåð. Èòàê, ñàìûé äîðîãîé êîñòþì – êîñòþì àìåðèêàíñêèõ êîñìîíàâòîâ. Åãî ñòîèìîñòü – 9 ìëí. äîëëàðîâ, è îí ÿâëÿåòñÿ ñàìûì äîðîãèì ïðåäìåòîì îäåæäû â ìèðå. Ñàìîé äîðîãîé îáóâüþ â ìèðå ñòàëè òóôëè íà âûñîêîì êàáëóêå, èçãîòîâëåííûå þâåëèðîì Ñòþàðòîì Âàéöìàíîì è óêðàøåííûå 642 ðóáèíàìè, öåíà èõ ðàâíÿåòñÿ 1,6 ìëí. åâðî. Ñàìûé äîðîãîé áþñòãàëüòåð ñòîèò 12,5 ìëí. äîëëàðîâ. Åãî äåìîíñòðèðîâàëà Õàéäè Êëóì íà îäíîì èç ïîêàçîâ â Íüþ-Éîðêå.

Ñàìûì äîðîãèì îáåäîì â ìèðå ñòàë îáåä Äýâèäà Àéíõîðíà (ãëàâû ôèðìû Greenlight Capital) ñ åãî êóìèðîì ìèëëèàðäåðîì Óîððåíîì Áàôôåòîì, ïðàâî íà êîòîðûé îí ïðèîáðåë íà òîðãàõ çà 250 òûñ. 100 äîëëàðîâ.

Íàèáîëåå äîðîãèìè ïðîäóêòàìè ïèòàíèÿ áûëè ïðèçíàíû êàðòîôåëü ñîðòà La Bonnotte èç Ôðàíöèè, êîòîðûé ïðîäàåòñÿ ïî öåíå ïðèìåðíî 500 åâðî çà êèëîãðàìì, è êîôå ñîðòà Kopi Luwak, ïðîèçðàñòàþùèé íà îñòðîâå Ñóìàòðà. ×åòâåðòü ôóíòà ñòîèò îêîëî 75 äîëëàðîâ.

Ñàìûìè äîðîãèìè ñèãàðåòàìè ïðèçíàíû ñèãàðåòû ìàðêè Treasurer, îäíà ïà÷êà èõ ñòîèò ïðèìåðíî 24 åâðî, è ïðîäàþòñÿ îíè òîëüêî â ñïåöèàëèçèðîâàííûõ ìàãàçèíàõ.

Òîêèî, êàê è ïðåæäå, îñòàåòñÿ ñàìûì äîðîãèì ãîðîäîì â ìèðå. Ãîñòèíèöà Burj Al Arab â Äóáàå ïðèçíàíà ñàìîé äîðîãîé, òàê êàê çà íî÷ü â ñàìîì ñêðîìíîì íîìåðå ýòîãî îòåëÿ ïðèäåòñÿ çàïëàòèòü 770 åâðî. Êîðîëåâñêèå æå àïàðòàìåíòû ñòîÿò 7700 åâðî. Stade de France, ãäå â 1998 ãîäó ñáîðíàÿ Ôðàíöèè âûèãðàëà ÷åìïèîíàò ìèðà, íàçâàí ñàìûì äîðîãèì ñòàäèîíîì â ìèðå. Åãî ñòðîèòåëüñòâî îáîøëîñü â 460 ìëí. åâðî.

Ïóòåøåñòâèå àìåðèêàíñêîãî áèçíåñìåíà Äåííèñà Òèòî è ìèëëèîíåðà èç ÞÀÐ Ìàðêà Øàòòëóîðòà íà Ìåæäóíàðîäíóþ êîñìè÷åñêóþ ñòàíöèþ òàêæå ïðèçíàíî ñàìûì äîðîãèì, òàê êàê çà íåãî êàæäûé èç íèõ çàïëàòèë ïî 20 ìëí. äîëëàðîâ.

Êàðòèíà Ïèòåðà Ïàóëÿ Ðóáåíñà «Èçáèåíèå ìëàäåíöåâ» áûëà ïðîäàíà â 2002 ãîäó çà ðåêîðäíóþ ñóììó â 73,5 ìëí. åâðî. Ëåîíàðäî äà Âèí÷è òîæå âîøåë â ýòîò ñïèñîê, îäíàêî íå êàê õóäîæíèê, à êàê àâòîð ñàìîé äîðîãîé êíèãè. «Ëåñòåðñêèé êîäåêñ. Òðàêòàò î âîäå, çåìëå è íåáåñíûõ äåëàõ», âûïîëíåííûé çåðêàëüíûì øðèôòîì íà áóìàãå ñ ïîëîòíÿíîé îòäåëêîé, ïðèîáðåë çà 24 ìëí. äîëëàðîâ Áèëë Ãåéòñ. Ñàìûì äîðîãèì êîìèêñîì â ìèðå ñòàë êîìèêñ ïðî ìàëü÷èêà Òèìà è åãî ñîáà÷êó Øòðóïïè. Çà îðèãèíàë òèòóëüíîé êàðòèíêè âûïóñêà «×åðíûé îñòðîâ» ýòîãî êîìèêñà îäèí êîëëåêöèîíåð çàïëàòèë 100 òûñ. åâðî.

Ñàìîé äîðîãîé ëþáèìèöåé âñåõ äåâî÷åê, êóêëîé Áàðáè, ñòàëà Áàðáè, íà êîòîðîé íàäåòî ïëàòüå, óêðàøåííîå íàñòîÿùèìè áðèëëèàíòàìè. Öåíà åå – 100 òûñ. åâðî.

Íàèáîëåå äîðîãîé èçáèðàòåëüíîé êàìïàíèåé ñòàëà êàìïàíèÿ Ìàéêëà Áëóìáåðãà, êîòîðûé áàëëîòèðîâàëñÿ íà ïîñò ìýðà Íüþ-Éîðêà â 2001 ãîäó. Çà êàæäûé ãîëîñ, îòäàííûé çà íåãî, Áëóìáåðãó ïðèøëîñü âûëîæèòü 86,10 åâðî. À ñàìîé äîðîãîé ðåêëàìíîé êàìïàíèåé ïðèçíàíà ðåêëàìà ôèðìû Pepsi 2002 ãîäà. Çà 90-ñåêóíäíûé ðîëèê ñ ó÷àñòèåì Áðèòíè Ñïèðñ êîìïàíèÿ âûëîæèëà 7,53 ìëí. äîëëàðîâ.

Àêöèè Berkshire Hathaway ïðèçíàíû ñàìûìè äîðîãèìè, òàê êàê îäíà áèðæåâàÿ àêöèÿ ýòîé àìåðèêàíñêîé èíâåñòèöèîííîé ôèðìû ñòîèò áîëåå 64 òûñ. åâðî.

Ñàìîé äîðîãîé òîðãîâîé ìàðêîé íàçâàíà Coca-Cola, åå ñòîèìîñòü ðàâíÿåòñÿ 68,9 ìëí. äîëëàðîâ, ýòî ñîñòàâëÿåò ïðèìåðíî 60% îò ñòîèìîñòè âñåé ôèðìû.

«Òèòàíèê» óâåðåííî ëèäèðóåò ñðåäè ñàìûõ äîðîãèõ êèíîêàðòèí ìèðà. Íà åãî ñîçäàíèå óøëî áîëåå 200 ìëí. äîëëàðîâ.

Íó è íàêîíåö, ñàìîé äîðîãîé æåíùèíîé áûëà ïðèçíàíà Äæåííèôåð Ëîïåñ, ÷üÿ «ïÿòàÿ òî÷êà» çàñòðàõîâàíà íà ñóììó 1 ìëðä. åâðî. Ñàìûì äîðîãèì ôóòáîëèñòîì ïðèçíàí çàêîí÷èâøèé â ýòîì ãîäó ñâîþ ñïîðòèâíóþ êàðüåðó Çèíåäèí Çèäàí.  2001 ãîäó ìàäðèäñêèé «Ðåàë» ïåðåêóïèë ôðàíöóçñêîãî ïîëóçàùèòíèêà ó «Þâåíòóñà» çà ðåêîðäíóþ ñóììó â 68,7 ìëí. äîëëàðîâ. Rolling Eyes
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