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Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
: 12000
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: , 2 2005, 11:58:33     : Ìðàêîáåñèå íà ìàðøå

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Çàêîíû îòäåëåíèÿ îò æåíû âî âðåìÿ íèäû

Ñ òîãî ìîìåíòà, êîãäà æåíùèíà ñòàíîâèòñÿ íèäîé, è äî îêóíàíèÿ â ìèêâå åé çàïðåùåíà íå òîëüêî ïîëîâàÿ ñâÿçü, íî è âñå äðóãèå âèäû ñáëèæåíèÿ ñ ìóæåì.  ÷àñòíîñòè, ñóïðóãàì çàïðåùåíî êàñàòüñÿ äðóã äðóãà, ñïàòü èëè ëåæàòü â îäíîé êðîâàòè.

Çàïðåò "êàñàíèÿ, ñîïðîâîæäàþùåãîñÿ ñåêñóàëüíûì îùóùåíèåì", ñ íèäîé - çàïðåò Òîðû. Ðàáàíèì óñòàíîâèëè òàêæå Äîïîëíèòåëüíûå çàêîíû îòäåëåíèÿ, ÷òîáû ÷åëîâåê ñìîã óäåðæàòüñÿ â íóæíûõ ðàìêàõ.

Îñíîâíûìè ïóíêòàìè çàïðåùåíèé ìóæó ñáëèæàòüñÿ ñ æåíîé â ïåðèîä íèäû ÿâëÿþòñÿ ñëåäóþùèå:

1. Çàèãðûâàíèå ("ëåãêîìûñëåííîå ïîâåäåíèå").
2. Êàñàíèå è ïåðåäà÷à èç ðóê â ðóêè.
3. Åäà çà îäíèì ñòîëîì.
4. Äîåäàíèå îñòàòêîâ åäû ïîñëå æåíû.
5. Ñèäåíèå èëè ëåæàíèå ìóæà íà êðîâàòè æåíû.
6. Ñèäåíèå íà îäíîé ñêàìåéêå ñ æåíîé.
7. Ëåæàíèå â îäíîé êðîâàòè.
8. Çàïðåò ñìîòðåòü íà îáû÷íî ïðèêðûòûå ÷àñòè òåëà æåíû.
9. Íàëèâàíèå áîêàëà è ïîäà÷à åäû.
10. Çàñòèëàíèå ïîñòåëè.
11. Ïîäíåñåíèå âîäû äëÿ óìûâàíèÿ.

Ïîäðîáíîå îïèñàíèå ïåðå÷èñëåííûõ çàïðåòîâ ñì. â ñàìîì òåêñòå êíèãè, ãëàâà 4.

(Ñëåäóåò ïîä÷åðêíóòü, ÷òî âñå ýòè çàêîíû îòíîñÿòñÿ ê îòíîøåíèÿì ñî ñâîåé æåíîé â ïåðèîä íèäû. ×òî êàñàåòñÿ äðóãèõ æåíùèí, òî â îòíîøåíèè íèõ ñóùåñòâóþò íåñêîëüêî èíûå çàïðåòû.)
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: 06.03.2005
: 12000
: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 10 2008, 21:29:00     :

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Ñåìü íîâûõ ñìåðòíûõ ãðåõîâ. À âû ãðåøíû?

Ðè÷àðä Îóýí

Áåðåãèòåñü, òîðãîâöû íàðêîòèêàìè, à òàêæå âñå, êòî äî íåïðèëè÷èÿ áîãàò èëè çàãðÿçíÿåò ïðèðîäó. Áåðåãèòåñü, ó÷åíûå, "ìàíèïóëèðóþùèå" ãåíàìè. Åñëè âû íå ðàñêàåòåñü, òî ïîãóáèòå ñâîè äóøè.

Ñïóñòÿ ïîëòîðû òûñÿ÷è ëåò Âàòèêàí ðåøèë îñîâðåìåíèòü ñïèñîê ñåìè ñìåðòíûõ ãðåõîâ, ïðèñïîñîáèâ åãî ê ýïîõå ãëîáàëèçàöèè. Íîâûé ïåðå÷åíü îïóáëèêîâàí â÷åðà â âàòèêàíñêîé ãàçåòå L'Osservatore Romano. Îäíîâðåìåííî Ïàïà âûðàçèë ñîæàëåíèå â ñâÿçè ñ "îñëàáëåíèåì ÷óâñòâà ãðåõà" â ñîâðåìåííîì "îáìèðùåííîì îáùåñòâå" è ïîñåòîâàë, ÷òî âñå ìåíüøå êàòîëèêîâ õîäèò íà èñïîâåäü.

Ðèìñêî-êàòîëè÷åñêàÿ öåðêîâü äåëèò ãðåõè íà ïðîñòèòåëüíûå, ìåíåå ñåðüåçíûå, è ñìåðòíûå – òå, êîòîðûå óãðîæàþò äóøå âå÷íûì ïðîêëÿòèåì, åñëè ÷åëîâåê óìèðàåò, íå èñêóïèâ èõ èñïîâåäüþ è ïîêàÿíèåì.

Ê ñìåðòíûì ãðåõàì îòíîñÿòñÿ "òÿæêèå íàðóøåíèÿ Äåñÿòè çàïîâåäåé è Çàïîâåäåé áëàæåíñòâà" – â ÷àñòíîñòè, óáèéñòâî, èñïîëüçîâàíèå êîíòðàöåïòèâîâ, àáîðò, ëæåñâèäåòåëüñòâî, ñóïðóæåñêàÿ èçìåíà è ïîõîòü.

Êàòåõèçèñ Êàòîëè÷åñêîé öåðêâè ãîâîðèò, ÷òî "ñðàçó ïîñëå ñìåðòè äóøà óìåðøåãî â ñìåðòíîì ãðåõå ïîãðóæàåòñÿ â Àä".

È õîòÿ òî÷íîãî ñïèñêà ñìåðòíûõ ãðåõîâ íå ñóùåñòâóåò, ìíîãèå âåðóþùèå ïðèíèìàþò ïåðå÷åíü ñ øèðîêèìè èõ îïðåäåëåíèÿìè, ñîñòàâëåííûé â VI âåêå Ïàïîé Ãðèãîðèåì Âåëèêèì è ñòàâøèé ïîïóëÿðíûì â Ñðåäíèå âåêà áëàãîäàðÿ "Áîæåñòâåííîé êîìåäèè" Äàíòå.  íåãî âõîäÿò ïîõîòü, ÷ðåâîóãîäèå, àë÷íîñòü, ïðàçäíîñòü, ãíåâ, çàâèñòü è ãîðäûíÿ.

 ïðîòèâîâåñ èì õðèñòèàíàì ïîëàãàåòñÿ áëþñòè ñåìü ñâÿòûõ äîáðîäåòåëåé: öåëîìóäðèå, óìåðåííîñòü, óñåðäèå, òåðïåíèå, äîáðîòó, ñìèðåíèå è ùåäðîñòü.

Åïèñêîï Äæàíôðàíêî Äæèðîòòè, ãëàâà Àïîñòîëüñêîãî ïåíèòåíöèàðèÿ – öåðêîâíîãî òðèáóíàëà, îòâå÷àþùåãî â Âàòèêàíå çà èñïîâåäü è îòïóùåíèå ãðåõîâ, ïîñëå íåäåëüíîãî ñåìèíàðà äëÿ ñâÿùåííèêîâ, ïðèóðî÷åííîãî ê Âåëèêîìó ïîñòó, çàÿâèë, ÷òî, ïî äàííûì îïðîñîâ, 60% èòàëüÿíñêèõ êàòîëèêîâ óæå íå õîäÿò íà èñïîâåäü.

Îí ïîä÷åðêíóë, ÷òî ñâÿùåííèêàì íåîáõîäèìî ïðèíèìàòü âî âíèìàíèå "íîâûå ãðåõè, ïîÿâèâøèåñÿ íà ãîðèçîíòå ÷åëîâå÷åñòâà â ñâÿçè ñ íåîñòàíîâèìûì ïðîöåññîì ãëîáàëèçàöèè". È åñëè â ïðîøëîì ãðåõ ñ÷èòàëñÿ ëè÷íûì äåëîì, òî ñåé÷àñ îí âûçûâàåò "îáùåñòâåííûé ðåçîíàíñ".

"Âû îñêîðáëÿåòå Áîãà íå òîëüêî òîãäà, êîãäà âîðóåòå, êîùóíñòâóåòå èëè æåëàåòå ÷óæóþ æåíó, íî è êîãäà ðàçðóøàåòå ïðèðîäó, ïðîâîäèòå ñîìíèòåëüíûå ñ òî÷êè çðåíèÿ ìîðàëè íàó÷íûå ýêñïåðèìåíòû, äîïóñêàåòå ãåíåòè÷åñêèå ìàíèïóëÿöèè ïî èçìåíåíèþ ÄÍÊ èëè ýìáðèîíîâ", – óêàçàë ñâÿùåííîñëóæèòåëü.

Åïèñêîï Äæèðîòòè ñîîáùèë òàêæå, ÷òî ê ñìåðòíûì ãðåõàì îòíîñÿòñÿ íàðêîòèêè è ñîöèàëüíàÿ íåñïðàâåäëèâîñòü, èç-çà êîòîðîé âîçíèêàåò áåäíîñòü, à "íåìíîãèå íàêàïëèâàþò èçáûòî÷íûå áîãàòñòâà".

Ïî åãî ñëîâàì, â öåíòðå âíèìàíèÿ Âàòèêàíà ïî-ïðåæíåìó îñòàþòñÿ äâà òàêèõ ñìåðòíûõ ãðåõà, êàê àáîðòû, ïîïèðàþùèå "äîñòîèíñòâî è ïðàâà æåíùèí", à òàêæå ïåäîôèëèÿ – ãðåõ, ïîðàçèâøèé äàæå ðÿäû ñâÿùåííèêîâ è âûÿâèâøèé "÷åëîâå÷åñêóþ è èíñòèòóöèîíàëüíóþ ñëàáîñòü Öåðêâè".

Ñðåäñòâà ìàññîâîé èíôîðìàöèè, ñ÷èòàåò åïèñêîï, "ðàçäóëè" ýòîò âîïðîñ, "÷òîáû äèñêðåäèòèðîâàòü Öåðêîâü", òîãäà êàê ñâÿùåííîñëóæèòåëè ñàìè ïðèíèìàþò ìåðû ïî áîðüáå ñ íåïðèãëÿäíûì ÿâëåíèåì.

Âûñòóïàÿ â Àïîñòîëüêîì ïåíèòåíöèàðèè, Ïàïà îòìåòèë, ÷òî ñðåäè âåðóþùèõ ñóùåñòâóåò "çàìåòíîå íåäîâîëüñòâî" Êàòîëè÷åñêîé öåðêîâüþ, à ïîñåìó ñâÿùåííèêè äîëæíû ïðîÿâëÿòü "áîæåñêóþ äîáðîòó ê ðàñêàÿâøèìñÿ ãðåøíèêàì" è ïðèçíàâàòü ñîáñòâåííûå îøèáêè.

"Òîò, êòî âåðèò â ñàìîãî ñåáÿ è â ñâîè çàñëóãè, îñëåïëåí ñîáñòâåííûì "ÿ", à åãî ñåðäöå çàõâà÷åíî ãðåõîì. Òîò, êòî ïðèçíàåò ñåáÿ ñëàáûì è ãðåøíûì, ââåðÿåò ñåáÿ Áîãó è ïîëó÷àåò Åãî áëàãîäàòü è ïðîùåíèå".

Ïàïà òàêæå ñ ïðèñêîðáèåì çàìåòèë, ÷òî âñå áîëüøå ëþäåé íà Çàïàäå "îáõîäÿòñÿ áåç Áîãà".

Îí çàÿâèë, ÷òî ãåäîíèçì è ïîòðåáèòåëüñòâî ïðîíèêëè "â ëîíî ñàìîé öåðêâè, ÷òî ãëóáîêî ïîäðûâàåò õðèñòèàíñêóþ âåðó èçíóòðè, ðàçðóøàåò îáðàç æèçíè è êàæäîäíåâíîå ïîâåäåíèå âåðóþùèõ".

Âîñòî÷íî-êàòîëè÷åñêèå öåðêâè íå ïðèçíàþò ðàçäåëåíèÿ íà ñìåðòíûå è ïðîñòèòåëüíûå ãðåõè, ïðèíÿòîãî â Çàïàäíîé èëè Ðèìñêî-êàòîëè÷åñêîé öåðêâè. Îíè òàêæå íå ñ÷èòàþò, ÷òî ÷åëîâåê, óìåðøèé âî ãðåõå, íåèçáåæíî îáðå÷åí íà ïðîêëÿòèå.

Èçíà÷àëüíûå ïðåñòóïëåíèÿ è íàêàçàíèÿ çà íèõ

Ãîðäûíÿ – ïîäâåðãàëè êîëåñîâàíèþ.

Çàâèñòü – áðîñàëè â ëåäÿíóþ âîäó.

×ðåâîóãîäèå – çàñòàâëÿëè åñòü êðûñ, æàá è çìåé.

Ïîõîòü – îòïðàâëÿëè íà êîñòåð.

Ãíåâ – çàæèâî ðàçðûâàëè íà ÷àñòè.

Àë÷íîñòü – âàðèëè â ìàñëå.

Ïðàçäíîñòü – áðîñàëè â ÿìó ñî çìåÿìè.

Èñòî÷íèê: "Äüÿâîëû, äåìîíû è êîëäîâñòâî. Êíèãà ðèñóíêîâ", Ýðíñò è Èîãàííà Ëåíåð.
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Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
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: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 10 2008, 21:30:52     :

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3517050.ece
Seven new deadly sins: are you guilty?
Pope Benedict XVI

Pope Benedict XVI said that an increasing number of people in the secularised West were making do without God
Richard Owen in Rome

Drug pushers, the obscenely rich, environmental polluters and “manipulative” genetic scientists beware – you may be in danger of losing your mortal soul unless you repent.

After 1,500 years the Vatican has brought the seven deadly sins up to date by adding seven new ones for the age of globalisation. The list, published yesterday in L’Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper, came as the Pope deplored the “decreasing sense of sin” in today’s “securalised world” and the falling numbers of Roman Catholics going to confession.

The Catholic Church divides sins into venial, or less serious, sins and mortal sins, which threaten the soul with eternal damnation unless absolved before death through confession and penitence.

It holds mortal sins to be “grave violations of the Ten Commandments and the Beatitudes”, including murder, contraception, abortion, perjury, adultery and lust.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that “immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into Hell”.

Although there is no definitive list of mortal sins, many believers accept the broad seven deadly sins or capital vices laid down in the 6th century by Pope Gregory the Great and popularised in the Middle Ages by Dante in The Inferno: lust, gluttony, avarice, sloth, anger, envy and pride.

Christians are exhorted instead to adhere to the seven holy virtues: chastity, abstinence, temperance, diligence, patience, kindness and humility.

Bishop Gianfranco Girotti, head of the Apostolic Penitentiary, the Vatican body which oversees confessions and plenary indulgences, said after a week-long Lenten seminar for priests that surveys showed 60 per cent of Catholics in Italy no longer went to confession.

He said that priests must take account of “new sins which have appeared on the horizon of humanity as a corollary of the unstoppable process of globalisation”. Whereas sin in the past was thought of as being an invididual matter, it now had “social resonance”.

“You offend God not only by stealing, blaspheming or coveting your neighbour’s wife, but also by ruining the environment, carrying out morally debatable scientific experiments, or allowing genetic manipulations which alter DNA or compromise embryos,” he said.

Bishop Girotti said that mortal sins also included taking or dealing in drugs, and social injustice which caused poverty or “the excessive accumulation of wealth by a few”.

He said that two mortal sins which continued to preoccupy the Vatican were abortion, which offended “the dignity and rights of women”, and paedophilia, which had even infected the clergy itself and so had exposed the “human and institutional fragility of the Church”.

The mass media had “blown up” the issue “to discredit the Church”, but the Church itself was taking steps to deal with it.

Addressing the Apostolic Penitentiary seminar, the Pope said there was “a certain disaffection” with confession among the faithful. Priests had to show “divine tenderness for penitent sinners” and admit their own failings.

“Those who trust in themselves and in their own merits are, as it were, blinded by their own ‘I’, and their hearts harden in sin. Those who recognise themselves as weak and sinful entrust themselves to God, and from Him obtain grace and forgiveness.”

The Pope also complained that an increasing number of people in the secularised West were “making do without God”.

He said that hedonism and consumerism had even invaded “the bosom of the Church itself, deeply undermining the Christian faith from within, and undermining the lifestyle and daily behaviour of believers”.

Eastern Catholics do not recognise the same distinction between mortal and venial sins as the Western or Latin Church does, nor does it believe that those people who die in a state of sin are condemned to automatic damnation.

The original offences and their punishments
Pride Broken on the wheel
Envy Put in freezing water
Gluttony Forced to eat rats, toads, and snakes
Lust Smothered in fire and brimstone
Anger Dismembered alive
Greed Put in cauldrons of boiling oil
SlothThrown in snake pits

Source: The Picture Book of Devils, Demons and Witchcraft; Ernst and Johanna Lehner
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"Èçíà÷àëüíûå ïðåñòóïëåíèÿ è íàêàçàíèÿ çà íèõ

Ãîðäûíÿ – ïîäâåðãàëè êîëåñîâàíèþ.

Çàâèñòü – áðîñàëè â ëåäÿíóþ âîäó.

×ðåâîóãîäèå – çàñòàâëÿëè åñòü êðûñ, æàá è çìåé.

Ïîõîòü – îòïðàâëÿëè íà êîñòåð.

Ãíåâ – çàæèâî ðàçðûâàëè íà ÷àñòè.

Àë÷íîñòü – âàðèëè â ìàñëå.

Ïðàçäíîñòü – áðîñàëè â ÿìó ñî çìåÿìè."

Èíòåðåñíî, à áûëî ÷òî-ëèáî ïðåäóñìîòðåíî çà ïîäâåðãàíèå êîëåñîâàíèþ, áðîñàíèå â ëåäÿíóþ âîäó, îòïðàâëåíèå íà êîñò¸ð, ðàçðûâàíèå íà ÷àñòè , âàðåíèå â ìàñëå è ðàçëè÷íûå èçäåâàòåëüñòâà íàä êðûñàìè, æàáàìè è çìåÿìè? Confused
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: , 10 2008, 22:20:16     :

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"Èçíà÷àëüíûå ïðåñòóïëåíèÿ è íàêàçàíèÿ çà íèõ

Ãîðäûíÿ – ïîäâåðãàëè êîëåñîâàíèþ.

Çàâèñòü – áðîñàëè â ëåäÿíóþ âîäó.

×ðåâîóãîäèå – çàñòàâëÿëè åñòü êðûñ, æàá è çìåé.

Ïîõîòü – îòïðàâëÿëè íà êîñòåð.

Ãíåâ – çàæèâî ðàçðûâàëè íà ÷àñòè.

Àë÷íîñòü – âàðèëè â ìàñëå.

Ïðàçäíîñòü – áðîñàëè â ÿìó ñî çìåÿìè."

Èíòåðåñíî, à áûëî ÷òî-ëèáî ïðåäóñìîòðåíî çà ïîäâåðãàíèå êîëåñîâàíèþ, áðîñàíèå â ëåäÿíóþ âîäó, îòïðàâëåíèå íà êîñò¸ð, ðàçðûâàíèå íà ÷àñòè , âàðåíèå â ìàñëå è ðàçëè÷íûå èçäåâàòåëüñòâà íàä êðûñàìè, æàáàìè è çìåÿìè? Confused

Êàêèå òàêèå íàêàçàíèÿ? Ïàëà÷ áûë íà ñëóæáå ó ãîñóäàðñòâà/öåðêâè, äåéñòâîâàë ïî ïðÿìîìó óêàçàíèþ Öåðêâè.
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Åäèíñòâåííî ÿ áû ðàçäåëÿë êðèòèêó Öåðêâè, êàòîëè÷åñêîé Öåðêâè, êîíêðåòíûõ äåéñòâèé Ïàïû è êðèòèêó (íà ôèëîñîôñêîì óðîâíå) ñàìîãî Ãîñïîäà è ôèëîñîôñêîé êîíöåïöèè Ãîñïîäà
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 ñëåäóþùåì ãîäó Âàòèêàí óñòðàèâàåò êîíôåðåíöèþ, ïðèóðî÷åííóþ ê 200-ëåòèþ àâòîðà òåîðèè ýâîëþöèè ×àðëüçà Äàðâèíà
Îòâå÷àÿ íà âîïðîñ î ïðåñëåäîâàíèÿõ èíêâèçèöèåé Ãàëèëåî Ãàëèëåÿ, Ãàáðèýëü Ôþíåñ äèïëîìàòè÷íî ïèøåò, ÷òî áûëè äîïóùåíû îøèáêè, îäíàêî ïðèøëî âðåìÿ ïåðåâåðíóòü ñòðàíèöó è îáðàòèòü âçãëÿä â áóäóùåå

 ñìûñëå? Íå íàäî áûëî ïðåñëåäîâàòü Ãàëèëåÿ? Íå íàäî áûëî âûñòóïàòü ïðîòèâ åãî èäåé? Èëè íå íàäî áûëî îáðàùàòü âíèìàíèå íà åãî èäåè, ïîñêîëüêó âñ¸ â ðóêàõ Ãîñïîäà, â òîì ÷èñëå è ñàì Ãàëèëåé ñî ñâîèìè èäåÿìè?

Ãëàâíûé àñòðîíîì Ðèìñêî-êàòîëè÷åñêîé öåðêâè ñîîáùèë, ÷òî äîïóñêàåò âîçìîæíîñòü ñóùåñòâîâàíèÿ æèçíè íà äðóãèõ ïëàíåòàõ.

 ñâîåé ñòàòüå, îïóáëèêîâàííîé â âàòèêàíñêîé ãàçåòå, Ãàáðèýëü Ôþíåñ ïèøåò, ÷òî â êîñìîñå ìîãóò îáèòàòü èíûå ðàçóìíûå ñóùåñòâà, ñîòâîðåííûå Áîãîì. Ñòàòüÿ îïóáëèêîâàíà ïîä çàãîëîâêîì "Èíîïëàíåòÿíå - áðàòüÿ ìîè", ñîîáùàåò ñåãîäíÿ Ðóññêàÿ ñëóæáà BBC.

Êðóòî áåð¸ò!  ñìûñëå ðàíüøå ñìîòðåë â òåëåñêîï - è íå äîïóñêàë.  ñìûñëå åñëè ÷òî è âèäåë ïîõîæåå íà èíîïëàíåòÿí, òî òóò æå ñâåðÿÿñü ñ Áèáëèåé, îòâåðãàë òàêîé ïîâîðîò ñîáûòèé êàê åðåñü áîãîïðîòèâíóþ...

Èåçóèò èç ×èëè Ãàáðèåëü Ôþíåñ âîçãëàâëÿåò îáñåðâàòîðèþ Âàòèêàíà. Îí ÿâëÿåòñÿ ìåæäóíàðîäíî-ïðèçíàííûì ñïåöèàëèñòîì è ñîòðóäíè÷àåò ñ óíèâåðñèòåòàìè â ðàçíûõ ñòðàíàõ. Ïî ìíåíèþ ñâÿùåííèêà, ïîèñê èíîïëàíåòíîé æèçíè íå ïðîòèâîðå÷èò âåðå â Áîãà. Ãàáðèýëü Ôþíåñ íå èñêëþ÷àåò, ÷òî íåêîòîðûå èíîïëàíåòÿíå, åñëè îíè ñóùåñòâóþò, ìîãóò áûòü ñâîáîäíû îò ïåðâîðîäíîãî ãðåõà.

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Îòâå÷àÿ íà âîïðîñ î ïðåñëåäîâàíèÿõ èíêâèçèöèåé Ãàëèëåî Ãàëèëåÿ, Ãàáðèýëü Ôþíåñ äèïëîìàòè÷íî ïèøåò, ÷òî áûëè äîïóùåíû îøèáêè, îäíàêî ïðèøëî âðåìÿ ïåðåâåðíóòü ñòðàíèöó è îáðàòèòü âçãëÿä â áóäóùåå.

Ãëàâíûé àñòðîíîì Âàòèêàíà óâåðÿåò ÷èòàòåëÿ, ÷òî ðåëèãèÿ è íàóêà íóæíû äðóã äðóãó.
Êðóòî áåð¸ò! Îñòàëîñü îáúÿñíèòü çà÷åì íàóêå ðåëèãèÿ?

 ñëåäóþùåì ãîäó Âàòèêàí óñòðàèâàåò êîíôåðåíöèþ, ïðèóðî÷åííóþ ê 200-ëåòèþ àâòîðà òåîðèè ýâîëþöèè ×àðëüçà Äàðâèíà. Òàêèì îáðàçîì, Ðèìñêî-êàòîëè÷åñêàÿ öåðêîâü ñòðåìèòñÿ íåñêîëüêî ñãëàäèòü àíòàãîíèçì ìåæäó íàóêîé è Öåðêîâüþ.

Îòìåòèì, ÷òî íàìå÷åííîå ìåðîïðèÿòèå îòíþäü íå åäèíñòâåííûé ïðèìåð ýòîãî ñòðåìëåíèÿ. Äîñòàòî÷íî âñïîìíèòü, ÷òî íåñêîëüêî ëåò íàçàä ÷ëåíàìè Ïàïñêîé àêàäåìèè íàóê áûëè íàçíà÷åíû àìåðèêàíñêèé ôèçèê-ÿäåðùèê Óèëüÿì Ôèëèïñ, ïðîñëàâèâøèéñÿ ðàçðàáîòêîé òåõíîëîãèè ëàçåðíîé îáðàáîòêè àòîìîâ, è èíäèåö Âèðàáõàäðàí Ðàìàíàòàí, ïèîíåð â îáëàñòè èññëåäîâàíèÿ ïàðíèêîâîãî ýôôåêòà.

Ïàïñêàÿ àêàäåìèÿ íàóê áûëà ó÷ðåæäåíà â Ðèìå â 1603 ãîäó. Ëþáîïûòíî, ÷òî ïåðâûì ãëàâîé "Àêàäåìèè Ðûñåé", êàê îíà òîãäà íàçûâàëàñü, áûë Ãàëèëåî Ãàëèëåé.  íàñòîÿùåå âðåìÿ â íåé 80 àêàäåìèêîâ. Ïàïà Ðèìñêèé ëè÷íî íàçíà÷àåò èõ ïî ðåêîìåíäàöèè äåéñòâóþùèõ ÷ëåíîâ Àêàäåìèè. Ó÷åíûå ñòàíîâÿòñÿ àêàäåìèêàìè ïîæèçíåííî, íåçàâèñèìî îò ñâîèõ ðåëèãèîçíûõ èëè ïîëèòè÷åñêèõ óáåæäåíèé.

Ïðåçèäåíò Àêàäåìèè - ïðîôåññîð ðèìñêîãî óíèâåðñèòåòà La Sapienca è áûâøèé ãëàâà èòàëüÿíñêîãî Íàöèîíàëüíîãî èíñòèòóòà ÿäåðíîé ôèçèêè Íèêîëà Êàáèááî.

×òî æå êàñàåòñÿ ïðåäñòàâèòåëåé Âàòèêàíñêîé îáñåðâàòîðèè, òî îíè óæå íå ðàç âûñòóïàëè ñ ïðèìå÷àòåëüíûìè çàÿâëåíèÿìè. Åå áûâøèé äèðåêòîð, àìåðèêàíñêèé èåçóèò îòåö Äæîðäæ Êîéí çàÿâèë íåñêîëüêî ëåò íàçàä, ÷òî òåîðèÿ ýâîëþöèè íå îòâåðãàåò "íåîáõîäèìîñòü Áîãà", íàïðîòèâ, îíà ïîìîãàåò âåðóþùèì ïîíÿòü îòíîøåíèå Ñîçäàòåëÿ ê Âñåëåííîé êàê îòíîøåíèå çàáîòëèâîãî îòöà ê ñâîåìó ðåáåíêó.

Ìíîãèå â Öåðêâè ðàçäåëÿþò "ñòðàõ", ÷òî òåîðèÿ ýâîëþöèè íåñîâìåñòèìà ñ âåðîé â òî, ÷òî ìèð áûë ñîçäàí ñîãëàñíî "áîæåñòâåííîìó ïëàíó", è ýòî ïðèâîäèò ê ñëîæíûì îòíîøåíèÿì ìåæäó Öåðêîâüþ è íàóêîé, ñ÷èòàåò ó÷åíûé.

Ñëåäóåò ïðè ýòîì îòìåòèòü, ÷òî ýòèìè ñâîèìè çàÿâëåíèÿìè Äæîðäæ Êîéë âñòóïèë â çàî÷íóþ ïîëåìèêó ñ îäíèì èç ñàìûõ âëèÿòåëüíûõ êàòîëè÷åñêèõ èåðàðõîâ – àðõèåïèñêîïîì Âåíñêèì êàðäèíàëîì Êðèñòîôîì Ø¸íáîðíîì, êîòîðûé âûñòóïèë ñî ñòàòüåé, ãäå óòâåðæäàë, ÷òî äàðâèíîâñêàÿ òåîðèÿ ïðîèñõîæäåíèÿ âèäîâ, îñíîâàííàÿ íà âåðå â "íåçàïëàíèðîâàííûé ïðîöåññ ñëó÷àéíûõ èçìåíåíèé è åñòåñòâåííûé îòáîð" íåñîâìåñòèìà ñ ó÷åíèåì Êàòîëè÷åñêîé öåðêâè.

Òåì õóæå äëÿ Êàòîëè÷åñêîé öåðêâè!

Ïî ìíåíèþ Äæîðäæà Êîéíà, "íàóêà àáñîëþòíî íåéòðàëüíà" ïî îòíîøåíèþ ê ôèëîñîôñêèì è áîãîñëîâñêèì âûâîäàì, êîòîðûå ìîæíî ñäåëàòü èç åå îòêðûòèé, íî ýòî íå ìåøàåò âåðóþùèì èñïîëüçîâàòü íàó÷íûå ôàêòû äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû ëó÷øå ïîíèìàòü Áîãà. Òåîðèÿ ýâîëþöèè íå òîëüêî ñîâìåñòèìà ñ êàòîëèöèçìîì, íî è "îòêðûâàåò íàì Áîãà, ñîçäàâøåãî Âñåëåííóþ, êîòîðàÿ èìååò ñâîþ ñîáñòâåííóþ äèíàìèêó, è òàêèì îáðàçîì ñàìà ó÷àñòâóåò â áîæåñòâåííîì òâîðåíèè, – ñ÷èòàåò Êîéí. – Áîã ðàáîòàåò íàä Âñåëåííîé.  òî æå âðåìÿ ó íåå åñòü ñîáñòâåííàÿ æèçíåííàÿ ñèëà, êàê ó ðåáåíêà. Áîã íå âìåøèâàåòñÿ â åå ðàçâèòèå ïîñòîÿííî, Îí ïîçâîëÿåò, ó÷àñòâóåò, ëþáèò".

Äæîðäæ Êîéí óáåæäåí, ÷òî âåðóþùèå äîëæíû èçó÷àòü ñîâðåìåííûå íàó÷íûå îòêðûòèÿ, ÷òîáû "óéòè îò ïðåäñòàâëåíèé î Áîãå-äèêòàòîðå, Áîãå-ïðîåêòèðîâùèêå, íüþòîíîâñêîì Áîãå, êîòîðûé ñîçäàë ìèð êàê ÷àñû è ñëóøàåò, êàê îíè òèêàþò. Ìîæåò áûòü, Áîãà ëó÷øå ïðåäñòàâëÿòü êàê ëþáÿùåãî ðîäèòåëÿ, êîòîðûé ïîääåðæèâàåò è âîîäóøåâëÿåò ìèð ñâîèì ñëîâîì".
Åðåòèê êàêîé îäíàêî! Âåðóþùèå äîëæíû Áèáëèþ èçó÷àòü. Òàì âñ¸ î÷åíü õîðîøî íàïèñàííî è ãëàâíîå - çàâåäîìî ïðàâèëüíî. À åñëè íåïîíÿòíî êàê ïîñòóïàòü â òîì èëè èíîì ñëó÷àå - òî çà ñîâåòîì ê Ïàïå. È îí äàñò çàâåäîìî ïðàâèëüíûé îòâåò, ïîñêîëüêó íåïîãðåøèì.

Ïðàâäà, â 2006 ãîäó Ïàïà Ðèìñêèé Áåíåäèêò XVI îòïðàâèë Êîéíà â îòñòàâêó. Ãîâîðèëè, ÷òî ñâÿçàíî ýòî áûëî èìåííî ñ ïîçèöèåé, êîòîðóþ àñòðîíîì çàíèìàë â ñïîðàõ îá ýâîëþöèè. Ñàì íûíåøíèé ïîíòèôèê ÿâëÿåòñÿ ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíûì ñòîðîííèêîì èäåè "ðàçóìíîãî çàìûñëà", ñîãëàñíî êîòîðîé æèçíü ñîçäàâàëàñü è ðàçâèâàëàñü áëàãîäàðÿ Òâîðöó.

Ëþáîïûòíî íàïîìíèòü â ñâÿçè ñ ðàññóæäåíèÿìè îá èíîïëàíåòÿíàõ è î ïðîåêòå "Ðîçåòòà", îñóùåñòâëÿåìîì Åâðîïåéñêèì êîñìè÷åñêèì àãåíòñòâîì, îòïðàâèâøèì â ôåâðàëå 2004 ãîäà âî Âñåëåííóþ êîðàáëü ñ íåîáû÷íûì ãðóçîì - äèñêîì, íà êîòîðîì â ïåðåâîäå íà ìíîãèå çåìíûå ÿçûêè âûãðàâèðîâàíû òðè ïåðâûå ãëàâû êíèãè Áûòèÿ.

Àâòîìàòè÷åñêèé çîíä òåïåðü óæå ÷åðåç 6 ëåò äîëæåí äîñòè÷ü êîìåòû Âèðòàíåíà, áîðîçäÿùåé ïðîñòîðû Âñåëåííîé. Ðîçåòòà - èìÿ áàçàëüòîâîãî êàìíÿ, íàéäåííîãî ñîëäàòàìè Íàïîëåîíà â Åãèïòå â 1799 ãîäó. Íà êàìíå áûëè íà÷åðòàíû äðåâíååãèïåòñêèå èåðîãëèôû, îòíîñÿùèåñÿ êî II â. äî í. ý.  ñâîå âðåìÿ ýòè ïèñüìåíà óäàëîñü ðàñøèôðîâàòü îñíîâàòåëþ åãèïòîëîãèè, çíàìåíèòîìó ôðàíöóçñêîìó ó÷åíîìó Ôðàíñóà Øàìïîëüîíó.

Ïî çàìûñëó àâòîðîâ ïðîåêòà, ê âíåøíåé ñòîðîíå çîíäà ïðèêðåïëåí äèñê ñ òåêñòîì ïåðâûõ òðåõ ãëàâ êíèãè Áûòèÿ. Âñòðåòèâ êîìåòó Âèðòàíåíà, çîíä ñîâåðøèò ïîñàäêó ïðÿìî íà åå ÿäðî. Òàêèì îáðàçîì, äèñê ñ òåêñòîì íà÷àëüíûõ ãëàâ Âåòõîãî Çàâåòà íà÷íåò âìåñòå ñ êîìåòîé áåñêîíå÷íîå ïóòåøåñòâèå â êîñìîñå. Ãëàâíàÿ íàó÷íàÿ çàäà÷à ýêñïåäèöèè - ïîèñê äîêàçàòåëüñòâ òîãî, ÷òî æèçíü íà Çåìëþ áûëà ïðèíåñåíà èçâíå.

Áèáëåéñêèé òåêñò äàí â ïåðåâîäå íà òûñÿ÷ó ÿçûêîâ íàøåé ïëàíåòû, âûïîëíåííîì êðóïíåéøèìè ëèíãâèñòàìè. Ó÷åíûå óòâåðæäàþò, ÷òî 50-90% ñîâðåìåííûõ ÿçûêîâ â íàñòóïèâøåì ñòîëåòèè èñ÷åçíóò è ïåðåéäóò â òó êàòåãîðèþ, ê êîòîðîé íûíå ïðèíàäëåæàò äðåâíååãèïåòñêèå èåðîãëèôû. Òàê ÷òî ìîæíî íàäåÿòüñÿ íà òî, ÷òî áîëåå èëè, ìîæåò áûòü, ìåíåå ïðîäâèíóòûå, ÷åì çåìëÿíå, áðàòüÿ ïî ðàçóìó ñìîãóò ïðî÷èòàòü ïîñëàíèå ñ íàøåé ïëàíåòû è ïîðàäîâàòüñÿ òîìó, ÷òî îíè íå îäèíîêè â áåñêîíå÷íûõ ïðîñòîðàõ Âñåëåííîé.
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: , 14 2008, 16:42:43     :

À âîò ÷òî ïèøåò ñàì êàðäèíàë Êðèñòîô ظíáîðí

http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/evol/catholic/schonborn-NYTimes.html
July 7, 2005
Finding Design in Nature
By CHRISTOPH SCH÷NBORN

Vienna

EVER since 1996, when Pope John Paul II said that evolution (a term he did not define) was "more than just a hypothesis," defenders of neo-Darwinian dogma have often invoked the supposed acceptance - or at least acquiescence - of the Roman Catholic Church when they defend their theory as somehow compatible with Christian faith.

But this is not true. The Catholic Church, while leaving to science many details about the history of life on earth, proclaims that by the light of reason the human intellect can readily and clearly discern purpose and design in the natural world, including the world of living things.

Evolution in the sense of common ancestry might be true, but evolution in the neo-Darwinian sense - an unguided, unplanned process of random variation and natural selection - is not. Any system of thought that denies or seeks to explain away the overwhelming evidence for design in biology is ideology, not science.

Consider the real teaching of our beloved John Paul. While his rather vague and unimportant 1996 letter about evolution is always and everywhere cited, we see no one discussing these comments from a 1985 general audience that represents his robust teaching on nature:

"All the observations concerning the development of life lead to a similar conclusion. The evolution of living beings, of which science seeks to determine the stages and to discern the mechanism, presents an internal finality which arouses admiration. This finality which directs beings in a direction for which they are not responsible or in charge, obliges one to suppose a Mind which is its inventor, its creator."

He went on: "To all these indications of the existence of God the Creator, some oppose the power of chance or of the proper mechanisms of matter. To speak of chance for a universe which presents such a complex organization in its elements and such marvelous finality in its life would be equivalent to giving up the search for an explanation of the world as it appears to us. In fact, this would be equivalent to admitting effects without a cause. It would be to abdicate human intelligence, which would thus refuse to think and to seek a solution for its problems."

Note that in this quotation the word "finality" is a philosophical term synonymous with final cause, purpose or design. In comments at another general audience a year later, John Paul concludes, "It is clear that the truth of faith about creation is radically opposed to the theories of materialistic philosophy. These view the cosmos as the result of an evolution of matter reducible to pure chance and necessity."

Naturally, the authoritative Catechism of the Catholic Church agrees: "Human intelligence is surely already capable of finding a response to the question of origins. The existence of God the Creator can be known with certainty through his works, by the light of human reason." It adds: "We believe that God created the world according to his wisdom. It is not the product of any necessity whatever, nor of blind fate or chance."

In an unfortunate new twist on this old controversy, neo-Darwinists recently have sought to portray our new pope, Benedict XVI, as a satisfied evolutionist. They have quoted a sentence about common ancestry from a 2004 document of the International Theological Commission, pointed out that Benedict was at the time head of the commission, and concluded that the Catholic Church has no problem with the notion of "evolution" as used by mainstream biologists - that is, synonymous with neo-Darwinism.

The commission's document, however, reaffirms the perennial teaching of the Catholic Church about the reality of design in nature. Commenting on the widespread abuse of John Paul's 1996 letter on evolution, the commission cautions that "the letter cannot be read as a blanket approbation of all theories of evolution, including those of a neo-Darwinian provenance which explicitly deny to divine providence any truly causal role in the development of life in the universe."

Furthermore, according to the commission, "An unguided evolutionary process - one that falls outside the bounds of divine providence - simply cannot exist."

Indeed, in the homily at his installation just a few weeks ago, Benedict proclaimed: "We are not some casual and meaningless product of evolution. Each of us is the result of a thought of God. Each of us is willed, each of us is loved, each of us is necessary."

Throughout history the church has defended the truths of faith given by Jesus Christ. But in the modern era, the Catholic Church is in the odd position of standing in firm defense of reason as well. In the 19th century, the First Vatican Council taught a world newly enthralled by the "death of God" that by the use of reason alone mankind could come to know the reality of the Uncaused Cause, the First Mover, the God of the philosophers.

Now at the beginning of the 21st century, faced with scientific claims like neo-Darwinism and the multiverse hypothesis in cosmology invented to avoid the overwhelming evidence for purpose and design found in modern science, the Catholic Church will again defend human reason by proclaiming that the immanent design evident in nature is real. Scientific theories that try to explain away the appearance of design as the result of "chance and necessity" are not scientific at all, but, as John Paul put it, an abdication of human intelligence.

Christoph Sch–nborn, the Roman Catholic cardinal archbishop of Vienna, was the lead editor of the official 1992 Catechism of the Catholic Church.
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: , 14 2008, 16:50:44     :

Evolution in the sense of common ancestry might be true, but evolution in the neo-Darwinian sense - an unguided, unplanned process of random variation and natural selection - is not. Any system of thought that denies or seeks to explain away the overwhelming evidence for design in biology is ideology, not science.

Áëèí, õîòü áû îäèí àðãóìåíò ïðèâ¸ë, ÷åì åãî íå óñòðàèâàåò "an unguided, unplanned process of random variation and natural selection"


Consider the real teaching of our beloved John Paul.
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À ÿ âîâñå íå ñ÷èòàþ ÷òî Öåðêîâü äîëæíà èçâèíÿòüñÿ. ×åãî ýòî âäðóã? Ïðèîðèòåò çà Áèáëèåé, âñå æèâîòíûå áûëè ñîòâîðåíû ñðàçó â òàêîì âèäå â êîòîðîì ìû èõ âèäèì ñåé÷àñ, ñëåäîâàòåëüíî, íèêàêîé ýâîëþöèè íåáûëî, çíà÷èò íóæíî è äàëüøå ãíóòü ñâîþ ëèíèþ îïèðàÿñü íà Ñâÿùåííîå Ïèñàíèå. Îíî òî ñâÿòî, à Äàðâèí íàïèñàë êàêóþ-òî åðåñü, ðàçâå ìû áóäåì ñ íèì ñ÷èòàòüñÿ?

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Öåðêâè ñëåäóåò èçâèíèòüñÿ çà êðèòèêó Äàðâèíà, óáåæäåí ïðåäñòàâèòåëü Àíãëèêàíñêîé öåðêâè

Öåðêîâü äîëæíà ïðèíåñòè èçâèíåíèÿ çà âðàæäåáíóþ ðåàêöèþ â îòíîøåíèè ×àðëüçà Äàðâèíà è åãî òåîðèè ýâîëþöèè. Òàêîå ìíåíèå âûñêàçàë íàêàíóíå ãëàâà îòäåëà îáùåñòâåííûõ ñâÿçåé Àíãëèêàíñêîé åïèñêîïàëüíîé öåðêâè Ìàëêîëì Áðàóí íà àíãëèêàíñêîì èíòåðíåò-ñàéòå, ñîîáùàåò "Èíòåðôàêñ".

Ýòî çàÿâëåíèå áûëî ñäåëàíî ïî ñëó÷àþ 200-ëåòèÿ Äàðâèíà è 150-ëåòèÿ ñî äíÿ ïóáëèêàöèè åãî ãëàâíîãî òðóäà "Ïðîèñõîæäåíèå âèäîâ". Îáå ãîäîâùèíû áóäóò îòìå÷àòüñÿ â 2009 ãîäó.

Ïî ñëîâàì Áðàóíà, Öåðêîâü Àíãëèè äîëæíà âûðàçèòü ñâîå ñîæàëåíèå ïî ïîâîäó íåïîíèìàíèÿ òðóäîâ Äàðâèíà.

Ñî ñâîåé ñòîðîíû ðóêîâîäñòâî Öåðêâè îòìåòèëî, ÷òî çàÿâëåíèå Áðàóíà îòðàæàåò åå ïîçèöèþ, îäíàêî îôèöèàëüíîãî èçâèíåíèÿ íå ïðèíåñëî.

Îôèöèàëüíàÿ Àíãëèêàíñêàÿ öåðêîâü äèñòàíöèðóåòñÿ îò õðèñòèàíñêèõ ôóíäàìåíòàëèñòîâ, ñ÷èòàþùèõ ýâîëþöèîííóþ òåîðèþ íåñîâìåñòèìîé ñ áèáëåéñêîé äîêòðèíîé î ñîòâîðåíèè ìèðà.

Äàðâèí áûë êðåùåí â Àíãëèêàíñêîé öåðêâè, ó÷èëñÿ â öåðêîâíî-ïðèõîäñêîé øêîëå è ãîòîâèëñÿ ñòàòü àíãëèêàíñêèì ñâÿùåííèêîì. Îäíàêî åãî òåîðèÿ î ïðîèñõîæäåíèè âèäîâ ïóòåì ýâîëþöèè è åñòåñòâåííîãî îòáîðà ïðèâåëà ê êîíôëèêòó ìåæäó íèì è Öåðêîâüþ.

Áðàóí ïðèçâàë ê "ñáëèæåíèþ" ìåæäó öåðêîâüþ è äàðâèíèçìîì. Ïî ìíåíèþ åïèñêîïà Ñâèíäîíà Ëè Ðýéôèëäà, êîòîðûé òàêæå ÿâëÿåòñÿ ó÷åíûì-èììóíîëîãîì, ðåëèãèÿ è íàóêà íå ÿâëÿþòñÿ âçàèìîèñêëþ÷àþùèìè ó÷åíèÿìè. Îí çàÿâèë, ÷òî íå ñîãëàñåí êàê ñ õðèñòèàíàìè, äëÿ êîòîðûõ "ýâîëþöèÿ ðàâíîçíà÷íà àòåèçìó", òàê è ñ äàðâèíèñòàìè, óòâåðæäàþùèìè, ÷òî ýâîëþöèîííûå èäåè îòðèöàþò ñóùåñòâîâàíèå Áîãà. "Ýòî ëîæíîå ïðîòèâîïîñòàâëåíèå", - îòìåòèë åïèñêîï â èíòåðâüþ BBC.

Âûñêàçûâàíèå Áðàóíà - íå ïåðâûé ñëó÷àé, êîãäà ñâÿùåííîñëóæèòåëü ïðèíîñèò èçâèíåíèÿ çà ïðåæíèå äåéñòâèÿ Öåðêâè.  1992 ãîäó Ïàïà Ðèìñêèé Èîàíí Ïàâåë II çàÿâèë, ÷òî Ðèìñêî-êàòîëè÷åñêàÿ öåðêîâü áûëà íåïðàâà, ïîäâåðãíóâ îñóæäåíèþ âåëèêîãî àñòðîíîìà Ãàëèëåî Ãàëèëåÿ çà óòâåðæäåíèå, ÷òî Çåìëÿ íå ÿâëÿåòñÿ öåíòðîì Âñåëåííîé.
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Æèòåëè Ìåà Øààðèì çàáðîñàëè êàìíÿìè "íåêîøåðíûå" àâòîáóñû

Æèòåëè Ìåà Øààðèì çàáðîñàëè êàìíÿìè "íåêîøåðíûå" àâòîáóñû
Óëüòðàðåëèãèîçíîå íàñåëåíèå êâàðòàëà Ìåà Øààðèì â Èåðóñàëèìå âûøëî â÷åðà íå äåìîíñòðàöèþ ñ òðåáîâàíèåì èñïîëüçîâàòü íà ìàðøðóòå, ïðîõîäÿùåì â èõ ðàéîíå, àâòîáóñû ñ ðàçäåëåíèåì íà ìóæñêóþ è æåíñêóþ ïîëîâèíû ñàëîíà.

 äåìîíñòðàöèè ïðèíÿëè ó÷àñòèå îêîëî 2.500 ÷åëîâåê. Îäíîâðåìåííî ñîñòîÿëàñü êîíòð-äåìîíñòðàöèÿ, íà êîòîðóþ ïðèøëî ãîðàçäî ìåíüøå ëþäåé, ïðîòåñòîâàâøèõ ïðîòèâ "ïðåâðàùåíèÿ Èçðàèëÿ â Èðàí".

Ìèòèíã ïðîøåë áåç ýêñòðàîðäèíàðíûõ ïðîèñøåñòâèé. Îäíàêî çàòåì â Ìåà Øààðèì çàáðîñàëè êàìíÿìè íåñêîëüêî àâòîáóñîâ è àâòîìîáèëåé, à òàêæå ñîæãëè íåñêîëüêî ìóñîðíûõ áàêîâ.

 ðåçóëüòàòå ýòèõ ïðîèñøåñòâèé íèêòî íå ïîñòðàäàë. Î çàäåðæàííûõ íàðóøèòåëÿõ ïîðÿäêà â íàñòîÿùåå âðåìÿ òàêæå íå ñîîáùàåòñÿ.
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