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Ìíîãîóâàæàåìûé Âëàäèìèð Âëàäèìèðîâè÷!

Ðîññèéñêàÿ àêàäåìèÿ õóäîæåñòâ åùå ðàç îáðàùàåòñÿ ê Âàì ñ ïðîñüáîé, ÷òîáû Âû îñòàëèñü íà ñâîåì ïîñòó íà ñëåäóþùèé ñðîê, âûðàæàÿ ìíåíèå âñåãî õóäîæåñòâåííîãî ñîîáùåñòâà Ðîññèè, áîëåå 65 000 õóäîæíèêîâ, æèâîïèñöåâ, ñêóëüïòîðîâ, ãðàôèêîâ, ìàñòåðîâ äåêîðàòèâíî-ïðèêëàäíîãî, òåàòðàëüíî-äåêîðàöèîííîãî, íàðîäíîãî èñêóññòâà.

Ïðèçûâû îáðàòèòüñÿ ê Âàì, ïðîñèòü Âàñ ïðîäîëæèòü ñâîþ ñòîëü âàæíóþ äëÿ ñòðàíû ïðåçèäåíòñêóþ ðàáîòó ïðèõîäÿò ê íàì ñî âñåõ êîíöîâ Ðîññèè, ïîñêîëüêó àêàäåìèÿ òåñíî ñâÿçàíà ñî âñåìè åå ðåãèîíàìè.  ýòîì ïèñüìå âûðàæåíà ïîçèöèÿ õóäîæíèêîâ íå òîëüêî Ìîñêâû è Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãà, íî è öåíòðàëüíûõ îáëàñòåé Ðîññèè, Þãà è Ñåâåðà, Óðàëà, Ñèáèðè, Äàëüíåãî Âîñòîêà.  õîäå ðàáîòû ïðèõîäèòñÿ âñòðå÷àòüñÿ ñ ëþäüìè èç âñåõ ÷àñòåé Ðîññèè, è, óâåðÿåì Âàñ, îíè åäèíû â æåëàíèè, ÷òîáû Âû îñòàëèñü ãëàâîé íàøåãî ãîñóäàðñòâà.

Ìû áëàãîäàðèì Âàñ çà ïîñòîÿííóþ ïîääåðæêó îòå÷åñòâåííîãî èñêóññòâà è õóäîæåñòâåííîãî îáðàçîâàíèÿ. Ïðîâîäèìàÿ Âàìè ìóäðàÿ ãîñóäàðñòâåííàÿ ïîëèòèêà ïîçâîëèëà ðîññèéñêîé êóëüòóðå îáðåñòè íîâóþ æèçíü.

Ìû âûñîêî öåíèì Âàøè îãðîìíûå äîñòèæåíèÿ âî âñåõ ñôåðàõ æèçíè Ðîññèè, òî, ÷òî áëàãîäàðÿ Âàøèì óñèëèÿì áûëà äîñòèãíóòà ñîöèàëüíàÿ ñòàáèëüíîñòü è ïðîãðåññ, íåîáû÷àéíî ïîâûñèëñÿ àâòîðèòåò íàøåé Ðîäèíû âî âñåì ìèðå.

Äëÿ íàñ æèçíåííî âàæíî, ÷òî è ïîñëå 2008 ãîäà Âû ïðîäîëæèòå îñóùåñòâëÿòü ñâîþ âûâåðåííóþ è áëàãîòâîðíóþ ïîëèòèêó, ÷òî ïîçâîëèò ñîõðàíèòü ïîçèòèâíîå íàïðàâëåíèå ãîñóäàðñòâåííîé ïîëèòèêè, ãàðàíòèðóþùåå ñòàáèëüíîñòü è ïðîöâåòàíèå îòå÷åñòâåííîé êóëüòóðû, ëó÷øèõ òðàäèöèé íàøåãî èñêóññòâà, óñèëåíèå ìåð ïî ñîõðàíåíèþ õóäîæåñòâåííîãî èñòîðè÷åñêîãî íàñëåäèÿ è ìóçåéíûõ öåííîñòåé.

Ýòî îñòðî ÷óâñòâóåò õóäîæåñòâåííàÿ ìîëîäåæü, êîòîðàÿ ÷àñòî îêàçûâàåòñÿ â àâàíãàðäå âñåé ðîññèéñêîé ìîëîäåæè è êîòîðàÿ ñåðüåçíî îòíîñèòñÿ ê áóäóùåìó Ðîññèè, íåìûñëèìîìó áåç Âàñ êàê ïðåçèäåíòà íàøåé ñòðàíû.

Ìû íàäååìñÿ, ÷òî Âû ó÷òåòå ìíåíèå äåñÿòêîâ òûñÿ÷ õóäîæíèêîâ è äåÿòåëåé îòå÷åñòâåííûõ êóëüòóðû è èñêóññòâà î íåîáõîäèìîñòè Âàøåãî ïðåáûâàíèÿ è ïîñëå 2008 ãîäà íà ïîñòó ãëàâû Ðîññèéñêîãî ãîñóäàðñòâà. Ðîññèè íåîáõîäèì Âàø òàëàíò ãîñóäàðñòâåííîãî äåÿòåëÿ, Âàøà ïîëèòè÷åñêàÿ ìóäðîñòü. Î÷åíü ïðîñèì Âàñ, ãëóáîêîóâàæàåìûé Âëàäèìèð Âëàäèìèðîâè÷, ïðèíÿòü âî âíèìàíèå íàøè íàäåæäû íà Âàøå ïîëîæèòåëüíîå ðåøåíèå.

Îò èìåíè âñåõ ïðåäñòàâèòåëåé òâîð÷åñêèõ ïðîôåññèé â Ðîññèè,

Ç. Öåðåòåëè,
ïðåçèäåíò Ðîññèéñêîé àêàäåìèè õóäîæåñòâ;

Ò. Ñàëàõîâ,
âèöå-ïðåçèäåíò Ðîññèéñêîé àêàäåìèè õóäîæåñòâ;

À. ×àðêèí,
ðåêòîð ÑÏá. ÃÀÈÆÑèÀ èì. È.Å. Ðåïèíà;

Í. Ìèõàëêîâ,
ïðåçèäåíò Ðîññèéñêîãî ôîíäà êóëüòóðû
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Çàáóãîðíîâ ïðàâ, íåêîòîðûå ñòàòüè ñòîèò êîïèðîâàòü ïîëíîñòüþ, ò.ê. â áóäóùåì îíè ìîãóò îêàçàòüñÿ íåäîñòóïíûìè.
Íå÷òî ïîäîáíîå ïðîèñõîäèëî ñ ñîâåòñêèìè ãàçåòàìè.
Äî íåêîòîðûõ èíòåðåñóþùèõ ìåíÿ óäàëîñü äîáðàòüñÿ, ëèøü ñîäðàâ îáîè âî âðåìÿ ðåìîíòà ó âåñüìà ïîæèëîé ðîäñòâåííèöû.

Ñêîïèðîâàíî îòñþäà: http://www.newsru.com/russia/19dec2007/prezd.html Ïî-ìîåìó, ïåðâîãî ìåñòà äîñòîèí Áîíäàð÷óê ( òðåòèé) è Ïðóñàê, íåîæèäàííî îêàçàâøèéñÿ ïîñëåäíèì Mr. Green
Ãëàâà ÖÈÊ Âëàäèìèð ×óðîâ ëèäèðóåò â êîíêóðñå õâàëåáíûõ öèòàò î Âëàäèìèðå Ïóòèíå
âðåìÿ ïóáëèêàöèè: 19 äåêàáðÿ 2007 ã., 15:01
ïîñëåäíåå îáíîâëåíèå: 20 äåêàáðÿ 2007 ã., 17:49



Æóðíàë "Êîììåðñàíò Âëàñòü" ñîáðàë öèòàòû, âîñõâàëÿþùèå ïðåçèäåíòà Ðîññèéñêîé Ôåäåðàöèè Âëàäèìèðà Âëàäèìèðîâè÷à Ïóòèíà, â åäèíûé ðåéòèíã è ïîïðîñèë ïîëüçîâàòåëåé èíòåðíåòà îïðåäåëèòü, êòî õâàëèò ãàðàíòà ëó÷øå âñåõ
Ñî çíà÷èòåëüíûì îòðûâîì ëèäèðóåò ãëàâà ÖÈÊ ÐÔ Âëàäèìèð ×óðîâ
Íà âòîðîì ìåñòå â ýòîì ðåéòèíãå ãëàâà Åâðàçèéñêîãî äâèæåíèÿ íàöèîíàëèñò Àëåêñàíäð Äóãèí
 òðîéêå è ðåæèññåð Ôåäîð Áîíäàð÷óê

Æóðíàë "Êîììåðñàíò Âëàñòü" ñîáðàë öèòàòû, âîñõâàëÿþùèå ïðåçèäåíòà Ðîññèéñêîé Ôåäåðàöèè Âëàäèìèðà Âëàäèìèðîâè÷à Ïóòèíà, â åäèíûé ðåéòèíã è ïîïðîñèë ïîëüçîâàòåëåé èíòåðíåòà îïðåäåëèòü, êòî õâàëèò ãàðàíòà ëó÷øå âñåõ.

Ñî çíà÷èòåëüíûì îòðûâîì ëèäèðóåò ãëàâà ÖÈÊ ÐÔ Âëàäèìèð ×óðîâ, âîïðîñèâøèé: "Ðàçâå Ïóòèí ìîæåò áûòü íå ïðàâ?".

Åãî âûñêàçûâàíèå ïðèçíàëè "ñàìûì ïîäõàëèìñêèì âûñêàçûâàíèåì" (òàê íàçûâàåòñÿ ðåéòèíã) áîëåå 12% ó÷àñòíèêîâ èíòåðíåò-îïðîñà. Ñ ×óðîâûì íå ñðàâíèëèñü íè ðèôìîïëåòû ñ õâàëåáíûìè îäàìè, íè ñåêòàíòû, ïðîâîçãëàñèâøèå Ïóòèíà áîãîì.

Íà âòîðîì ìåñòå â ýòîì ðåéòèíãå ãëàâà Åâðàçèéñêîãî äâèæåíèÿ íàöèîíàëèñò Àëåêñàíäð Äóãèí, çàÿâèâøèé: "Ïðîòèâíèêîâ ïóòèíñêîãî êóðñà áîëüøå íåò, à åñëè è åñòü, òî ýòî ïñèõè÷åñêè áîëüíûå è èõ íóæíî îòïðàâèòü íà äèñïàíñåðèçàöèþ. Ïóòèí - âåçäå, Ïóòèí - âñå, Ïóòèí àáñîëþòåí, Ïóòèí íåçàìåíèì."

 òðîéêå è ðåæèññåð Ôåäîð Áîíäàð÷óê ñ èçðå÷åíèåì: "Âñå óñïåõè â êèíåìàòîãðàôå áûëè ñâÿçàíû ñ Âëàäèìèðîì Ïóòèíûì."

 ìàå 2007 ãîäà ñîöèîëîãè èç "Ëåâàäà-Öåíòðà" ïðîâåëè îïðîñ è âûÿñíèëè, ÷òî â òîò ìîìåíò áîëüøèíñòâî ðîññèÿí ñ÷èòàëî, ÷òî â Ðîññèè íåò íèêàêèõ ïðèçíàêîâ êóëüòà ëè÷íîñòè Âëàäèìèðà Ïóòèíà. Ïðàâäà, êàæäûé ÷åòâåðòûé ðåñïîíäåíò îãîâîðèëñÿ, ÷òî ïðåäïîñûëêè äëÿ ýòîãî ñîçäàþòñÿ.  òîì, ÷òî â ÐÔ óæå åñòü âñå ïðèçíàêè êóëüòà ëè÷íîñòè Ïóòèíà, óâåðåíû áûëè 15% îïðîøåííûõ.

×åðòîâà äþæèíà ëèäåðîâ

1. "Ðàçâå Ïóòèí ìîæåò áûòü íå ïðàâ?" - ïðåäñåäàòåëü ÖÈÊ Âëàäèìèð ×óðîâ, 9 àïðåëÿ, èíòåðâüþ "Êîììåðñàíòó". 12,29%

2. "Ïðîòèâíèêîâ ïóòèíñêîãî êóðñà áîëüøå íåò, à åñëè è åñòü, òî ýòî ïñèõè÷åñêè áîëüíûå è èõ íóæíî îòïðàâèòü íà äèñïàíñåðèçàöèþ. Ïóòèí - âåçäå, Ïóòèí - âñå, Ïóòèí àáñîëþòåí, Ïóòèí íåçàìåíèì." - ëèäåð Åâðàçèéñêîãî äâèæåíèÿ Àëåêñàíäð Äóãèí, 17 ñåíòÿáðÿ, ïðèåì ãàçåòû "Èçâåñòèÿ". 9,95%

3. "Âñå óñïåõè â êèíåìàòîãðàôå áûëè ñâÿçàíû ñ Âëàäèìèðîì Ïóòèíûì." - Ôåäîð Áîíäàð÷óê, 21 íîÿáðÿ, ôîðóì ñòîðîííèêîâ Âëàäèìèðà Ïóòèíà. 9,04%

4. "Ïóòèí - ýòî íàøå âñå." - Ëþáîâü Ñëèñêà, 3 ìàÿ, èíòåðâüþ ÃÒÐÊ "Ñàðàòîâ".

5. "Ëè÷íîñòü Âëàäèìèðà Ïóòèíà âàæíåå äëÿ îáùåñòâà, ÷åì èíñòèòóòû ãîñóäàðñòâà." - ÷ëåí Îáùåñòâåííîé ïàëàòû Ñåðãåé Ìàðêîâ, 4 àâãóñòà, äèñêóññèÿ íà òåìó "Ðîññèéñêîå ãîñóäàðñòâî: â÷åðà, ñåãîäíÿ, çàâòðà".

6. "Ïóòèí ïîäàðèë ÷å÷åíñêîìó íàðîäó æèçíü âòîðóþ! Àëëàõ åãî íàçíà÷èë íà ýòî ìåñòî... Ïóòèí - äàð áîæèé, îí ïîäàðèë íàì ñâîáîäó... Òàêîé ÷åëîâåê - íàõîäêà äëÿ Ðîññèè. Ïîêà ó íåãî åñòü çäîðîâüå, ìû äîëæíû åãî ïðîñèòü, âñòàòü íà êîëåíè, ÷òîáû îí ïðàâèë ãîñóäàðñòâîì." - Ðàìçàí Êàäûðîâ, 18 èþíÿ, èíòåðâüþ æóðíàëó "Êîììåðñàíò-Âëàñòü".

7. "Âåäü ìû ïðåçèäåíòà íå âûáèðàëè. ß âìåñòå ñî âñåé ñòðàíîé ñèäåëà ïåðåä òåëåâèçîðîì, êîãäà Åëüöèí íàçíà÷èë ïðååìíèêà. È òîëüêî ÿ óâèäåëà Âëàäèìèðà Âëàäèìèðîâè÷à, êàê ìîé äóõ âîçðàäîâàëñÿ: "Âñå÷åëîâåê!". Åãî âûáðàë ñàì Áîã!.. Åëüöèí - ðàçðóøèòåëü, è Ãîñïîäü çàìåíèë åãî ñîçèäàòåëåì. ß ýòî ñðàçó óçðåëà... Òàê âîò â îäíîé èç ïðîøëûõ æèçíåé Ïóòèí áûë àïîñòîëîì Ïàâëîì." - ïðèõîæàíêà ñåêòû Ïðåñâÿòîé Áîãîðîäèöû "Âîñêðåøàþùàÿ Ðóñü", èíòåðâüþ ãàçåòå "Ìîñêîâñêèé êîìñîìîëåö".

8. "Äëÿ ìåíÿ ñåãîäíÿ (èìåþ ñ÷àñòüå ãîâîðèòü òàê, ïîòîìó ÷òî íèêîãäà íè÷åãî íå ïðîñèë ëè÷íî äëÿ ñåáÿ) ñ èìåíåì Ïóòèíà ñâÿçàíî âîçâðàùåíèå äîñòîèíñòâà íàøåé ñòðàíå è ìíå ëè÷íî." - Íèêèòà Ìèõàëêîâ, 27 íîÿáðÿ, ïðîãðàììà "Ñóäèòå ñàìè".

9. "ß çäåñü íåñîãëàñîâàííàÿ, ñàìà â çàë ïðîøëà. Çäðàâñòâóéòå, íåñðàâíåííûé Âëàäèìèð Âëàäèìèðîâè÷!" - æóðíàëèñòêà Ìàðèÿ Ñîëîâüåíêî, 1 ôåâðàëÿ, ïðåññ-êîíôåðåíöèÿ Âëàäèìèðà Ïóòèíà.

10. "Ãîâîðèëîñü, ÷òî Ïóòèí ñàìûé óñïåøíûé äåÿòåëü XX âåêà. ß áû ïîñòàâèë âîïðîñ øèðå. À êòî áûë â èñòîðèè óñïåøíåå, ÷åì îí, îáëàäàÿ òàêèì ïîòåíöèàëîì äîâåðèÿ, íàõîäÿñü âñåãî âîñåìü ëåò ó âëàñòè?" - çàìäåêàíà ôàêóëüòåòà ïðèêëàäíîé ïîëèòîëîãèè Âûñøåé øêîëû ýêîíîìèêè Ëåîíèä Ïîëÿêîâ, 20 ñåíòÿáðÿ, êðóãëûé ñòîë "Ïëàí Ïóòèíà. Ýòàïû ðåàëèçàöèè".

11. "Êîãäà Ðîññèÿ â ìóêàõ è ñòðàäàíüÿõ
Ñóäüáó ïåðåëîìèëà âíîâü ñâîþ,
Âû òâåðäîþ ðóêîé ñêâîçü èñïûòàíüÿ
Îñòàíîâèëè õàîñ íà êðàþ.
Êîãäà íàðîä ïî÷òè óòðàòèë ìåðó
Ïîòåðü è áåä
Ñî âñÿêîé ñòîðîíû,
Âû âîçðîäèëè âíîâü
Áûëóþ âåðó
 âåëè÷èå è îáùíîñòü âñåé ñòðàíû.
Ëèøü Âàøà âîëÿ,
Âàøà ñèëà äóõà,
Ñìîãëè îíè,
Ñîøåäøèå â îäíî,
Êîãäà â Ðîññèè
Âåðõ áðàëà ðàçðóõà
Îñòàíîâèòü
Ïàäåíèå íà äíî.
Ñåãîäíÿ ìû
Ïîä çíàêîì îòêðîâåíüÿ
Ó þáèëåéíîé ïàìÿòíîé ÷åðòû
Âîñïðèíèìàåì âñå
Âàø äåíü ðîæäåíüÿ
Êàê âîçðîæäåíüå
Ïðàâäû è ìå÷òû!
È ìû ãîðäèìñÿ
 íàøèõ ìûñëÿõ ÷èñòûõ,
Ïóñòü äàæå çíàÿ
Î òðóäàõ âïåðåä,
×òî ìû âçðàñòàëè
Âñå â ðÿäàõ þðèñòîâ,
Çàùèòíèêîâ ïðàâ íàøèõ è ñâîáîä!
È âîò òåïåðü,
Âñå òðóäíîñòè îñèëèâ,
Âîáðàâ â ñåáå
Âñå ÷àÿíüÿ ìîëâû,
Âîçãëàâèâøè "Åäèíóþ Ðîññèþ",
Ê ãðÿäóùåé ñëàâå
Ïîâåäåòå Âû!
Ãëóáîêîóâàæàåìûé Âëàäèìèð Âëàäèìèðîâè÷!"
- ÷ëåí Îáùåñòâåííîé Ïàëàòû Ãàñàí Ìèðçîåâ, îêòÿáðü 2007 ãîäà.

12. "Ê òåáå, êàê ê ñûíó, îáðàùàþñü: íå óõîäè, îñòàíîâèñü!
È ñíîâà ê ìûñëè âîçâðàùàþñü: Ðóñü íå áðîñàé, ñûíîê, äåðæèñü!
Ïðèìåð òû ñ Ðóçâåëüòà áåðè, íàðîä ñìåëåé âïåðåä âåäè
ê Ñî÷è - âåðøèíå òîé ãîðû, ÷òî ïîêîðèòü çàäóìàë òû!
 ðàñöâåòå ñèë áðîñàòü íåëüçÿ ñòðàíó - âåëèêóþ äåðæàâó.
Îíà, èçìó÷åííàÿ âñÿ, æäåò óïðàâëåíèÿ ïî íðàâó,
À ðàçóì òâîé - îí ïàñòîð íàø - âåäåò ê ïîáåäå ñïðàâåäëèâîé!
È ïîñò ñòðàíû òîãäà îòäàøü, êàê ïðèâåäåøü ê ãîðå ëþáèìîé!" - áûâøèé íà÷àëüíèê îëèìïèéñêîé ñáîðíîé êîìàíäû ÑÑÑÐ ïî ïëàâàíèþ Âëàäèìèð Ãóñàðîâ, 30 íîÿáðÿ, ïóáëèêàöèÿ â ãàçåòå "Êîìñîìîëüñêàÿ ïðàâäà-Óêðàèíà".

13. "Ïðîñòî çàìå÷àòåëüíî, ÷òî Âëàäèìèð Ïóòèí ñêàçàë î êíèãàõ - ýòî, äåéñòâèòåëüíî, íàøå äóõîâíîå áîãàòñòâî", - Ìèõàèë Ïðóñàê, 26 àïðåëÿ, êîììåíòàðèè ïðåññ-öåíòðó àäìèíèñòðàöèè Íîâãîðîäñêîé îáëàñòè
Zabougornov
Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
: 12000
: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 21 2007, 10:19:26     :

Áðàâî, Êîøêà! Îòëè÷íàÿ ñòàòüÿ!
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A la guerre comme a la guerre èëè âòîðàÿ ðåäàêöèÿ Çàáóãîðíîâà
Thais



: 10.03.2005
: 2238
: Kaliningrad-Petersburg-Paris

: , 21 2007, 17:05:45     :

Ïðîôåññèîíàëüíûõ ïîäõàëèìîâ è ïñèõè÷åñêè íåóðàâíîâåøåííûõ ëþäåé âåçäå õâàòàåò. Áóäü ýòî ðàñ÷åòëèâûé ïîäõàëèìàæ ïåðåä ïðÿìûì íà÷àëüíèêîì èëè âîñòîðã, ñðîäíè ñåêñóàëüíîìó, ïåðåä Âîæäåì, Öàðåì, Ïðåçèäåíòîì... Àêòåðîì, ïîï-çâåçäîé, ñïîðòñìåíîì... Âûøåïðèâåäåííûé ïðèìåð - îäèí èç ÷àñòíûõ ñëó÷àåâ "ñëèøêîì ÷åëîâå÷åñêîãî".
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Âîò òàê ýòî ïðîèñõîäèò. Âàì õî÷åòñÿ ñ êåì-òî ïîäðóæèòüñÿ. Ðàçãîâàðèâàòü âàì íåîõîòà, âñòðå÷àòüñÿ ëåíü, çâîíèòü íåêîãäà, òóñîâàòüñÿ íàäîåëî, óæèíàòü òÿæåëî, ïðèõîäèòü ñî ñâîåé äèåòîé - íåýòè÷íî, ñïàòü è ëåæàòü ñ âàìè â øèðîêîì ñìûñëå íîâûå äðóçüÿ îòêàçûâàþòñÿ, ìîë÷àòü ñ âàìè èì íå î ÷åì.  îáùåì, äðóæèòü íàäî áûëî ðàíüøå. (Ì. Æâàíåöêèé)
koshka



: 24.05.2006
: 876
: Israel,Mexico,Israel

: , 22 2007, 10:35:17     :

Thais ():
...èëè âîñòîðã, ñðîäíè ñåêñóàëüíîìó, ïåðåä Âîæäåì, Öàðåì, Ïðåçèäåíòîì...

Äà, â èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî âîçáóæäåíîì ñîñòîÿíèè íàðîä, íè÷åãî íå ñêàæåøü Smile . Çàäà÷à õîðîøåãî Ïðåçèäåíòà: äàòü âñåì ïîíåìíîãó.
koshka



: 24.05.2006
: 876
: Israel,Mexico,Israel

: , 22 2007, 11:36:47     :

"Àâòîðñêàÿ ïðîãðàììà Íèêèòû Ìèõàëêîâà, ïîêàçàííàÿ â ìèíóâøåå âîñêðåñåíüå òåëåêàíàëîì "Ðîññèÿ" â ðàìêàõ ïðîãðàììû "Âåñòè íåäåëè", - òâîðåíèå áîëåå êàìåðíîå, õîòÿ çäåñü, êàê è â "Ïîâåñòè î êîììóíèñòå", íà ýêðàíå òîæå êîëîñÿòñÿ õëåáà, èäóò ïî ïîëþ êîìáàéíû, ëåòÿò ñàìîëåòû, èäóò ïàðîõîäû, à ñåëÿíå è ãîðîæàíå ðàäîñòíûìè êðèêàìè ãîòîâû â íåì – íîâîì ëèäåðå íàöèè - ïðèâåòñòâîâàòü Îòöà. (Âèäåîðÿä, êñòàòè, âðåìåíàìè èçóìëÿåò. Âîò Ïóòèí, ïèëîòèðóÿ âîåííûé ñàìîëåò, çà ÷òî-òî òàì äåðãàåò, à â ñëåäóþùåì êàäðå áîìáà, ñòðåìèòåëüíî ëåòÿùàÿ âíèç, ïîïàäàåò ðîâíåõîíüêî â çäàíèå, ðàçíîñÿ åãî â êëî÷üÿ. Âðîäå íàø ïðåçèäåíò ïîêà íè÷åãî ñàìîëè÷íî íå áîìáèë è âîîáùå íå âîåâàë – â îòëè÷èå îò ãåðîÿ Ìàëîé Çåìëè, ñâîåãî ïðåäøåñòâåííèêà-ãåíñåêà?)

Íî íåñìîòðÿ íà ñòèëèñòè÷åñêîå è êîíöåïòóàëüíîå ñõîäñòâî äâóõ ýêðàííûõ ïðîèçâåäåíèé, íåëüçÿ íå çàìåòèòü òîãî ãëàâíîãî, ÷òî âñå æå îòëè÷àåò "Ïîâåñòü î ïðåçèäåíòå" îò "Ïîâåñòè î êîììóíèñòå": ãëóáîêî ëè÷íîñòíîãî îòíîøåíèÿ ê ãåðîþ. Íèêèòà Ìèõàëêîâ íå ïðÿ÷åòñÿ çà êàäð, êàê Èííîêåíòèé Ñìîêòóíîâñêèé. È îí, â îòëè÷èå îò Ñìîêòóíîâñêîãî, íå ÷èòàåò ÷óæîé òåêñò, à ïðîèçíîñèò ñâîé, âûñòðàäàííûé, èñïîëíåííûé âûñî÷àéøåãî âîñõèùåíèÿ è íåæíåéøåé ëþáâè, à ïîòîìó òðîãàþùèé ñàìîãî àâòîðà áóêâàëüíî äî ñëåç.

Áîëüøîìó õóäîæíèêó è ìîðàëüíîìó àâòîðèòåòó íàöèè ðåøèòåëüíî âñå ðàâíî, ÷òî "ó êîãî-òî ìîæåò âîçíèêíóòü îùóùåíèå: ìîë, íå î÷åíü ëîâêî ãîâîðèòü â ëèöî ðóêîâîäèòåëþ êàêèå-òî ñëîâà". Ãîâîðèòü â ëèöî ðóêîâîäèòåëþ "êàêèå-òî ñëîâà" è âïðÿìü, íàâåðíîå, íåëîâêî, îñîáåííî â äåíü ïîëóþáèëåÿ. Íî òå ñëîâà, êîòîðûå íàõîäèò Íèêèòà Ñåðãååâè÷, ïûòàÿñü ñïðàâèòüñÿ ñî ñêóïîé ìóæñêîé ñëåçîé, òî è äåëî óâëàæíÿþùåé åãî ëó÷èñòûé âçîð, íèêàê íå ìîãóò âûçâàòü ÷óâñòâà íåëîâêîñòè. Ýòî íå ïðîñòî ñëîâà – ýòî öâåòèñòûé òîñò, èëè ïåñíü, èëè äàæå ãèìí, äàð ñîòâîðåíèÿ êîåãî, âåðîÿòíî, ïåðåäàåòñÿ ïî íàñëåäñòâó, îò îòöà ê ñûíó (ãåíåòèêàì íà çàìåòêó!)."
http://grani.ru/Culture/Cinema/m.128586.html
Zabougornov
Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
: 12000
: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 22 2007, 17:49:49     :

http://www.echo.msk.ru/programs/figure/56644/
Âòîðíèê, 27 Íîÿáðü 2007
Ðåéòèíã Ïóòèíà çà ðóáåæîì

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: 22 ÷àñà è 7 ìèíóò â ðîññèéñêîé ñòîëèöå. Äîáðûé âå÷åð. Ó ìèêðîôîíà Ìàøà Ìàéåðñ. Ìû ñ âàìè âñòðå÷àåìñÿ â ðàìêàõ ïðîãðàììû «Ëóêàâàÿ öèôðà». Ìû ñ Òîíåé Ñàìñîíîâîé åå ïðîâåäåì â òðàäèöèîííîì ñîñòàâå. Íàøè ãîñòè - Ìàðãàðèòà Ñèìîíüÿí - ãëàâíûé ðåäàêòîð òåëåêàíàëà "Russia Today" è Ñåðãåé Êóðãèíÿí - ïîëèòîëîã, ïðåçèäåíò ìåæäóíàðîäíîãî îáùåñòâåííîãî ôîíäà "Ýêñïåðèìåíòàëüíûé òâîð÷åñêèé öåíòð". Ãîâîðèòü áóäåì î ïðåçèäåíòå Ðîññèè Â. Ïóòèíå. Òåìà íàøåé ïðîãðàììû – «Ðåéòèíã Ïóòèíà çà ðóáåæîì». Öèôðà ëóêàâàÿ ðàññêàæåò íàì, êàê æèòåëè ðàçíûõ åâðîïåéñêèõ ñòðàí è ÑØÀ, êàê âîñïðèíèìàþò íàøåãî ïðåçèäåíòà, êàê ê íåìó îòíîñÿòñÿ. Ðàñòåò ðåéòèíã Ïóòèíà èëè ïàäàåò – âîò îáî âñåì îá ýòîì íàì ðàññêàæóò ëóêàâûå öèôðû. Äî 11 ÷àñîâ ìû âìåñòå ñ âàìè. Êàê îáû÷íî, â ïîëîâèíå ÷àñà êðàòêèé âûïóñê íîâîñòåé.

Ñåé÷àñ 22 ÷àñà è 13 ìèíóò. Ó ìèêðîôîíà Ìàøà Ìàéåðñ è Òîíÿ Ñàìñîíîâà. ß óæå ïîä÷åðêíóëà, ÷òî ìû ñåãîäíÿ â òðàäèöèîííîì ñîñòàâå âåäåì ýòó ïåðåäà÷ó.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Äîáðûé âå÷åð.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Ìàðãàðèòà Ñèìîíüÿí - ãëàâíûé ðåäàêòîð òåëåêàíàëà "Russia Today". Çäðàâñòâóéòå

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Çäðàâñòâóéòå.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: È Ñåðãåé Êóðãèíÿí - ïîëèòîëîã, ïðåçèäåíò ìåæäóíàðîäíîãî îáùåñòâåííîãî ôîíäà "Ýêñïåðèìåíòàëüíûé òâîð÷åñêèé öåíòð".

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Çäðàâñòâóéòå.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Ó íàñ ñåãîäíÿ ñëîæíàÿ çàäà÷à. Ïîòîìó, ÷òî ìû äîëæíû ñåáå ïðåäñòàâëÿòü íå òî êàê êðàñèâî âîñïðèíèìàþò, êàê-òî ïðîùå. Íàì õî÷åòñÿ âåðèòü, ÷òî íàñ íå ëþáÿò è ìû ýòî âñÿ÷åñêè ïðè ïîìîùè öèôð, áåç èõ ïîìîùè, âñåìè âîçìîæíûìè ñïîñîáàìè ýòî àêòóàëèçèðóåì ïîñòîÿííî. Ó íàñ æå êðóãîì âðàãè, êàê èçâåñòíî, ìû ýòî íåäàâíî âûÿñíèëè. ×òî êàñàåòñÿ ðîññèéñêîãî ëèäåðà, òî ïîñëå åãî äîâîëüíî ðåçêèõ çàìå÷àíèé, âñå-òàêè õî÷åòñÿ ïîíÿòü, êàêîé ó íåãî èìèäæ è ÷òî ëþäè î íåì äóìàþò. Íå ïîëèòèêè, íå ýòè ïðîäàæíûå æóðíàëèñòû, êîòîðûå â «New York Times» ïèøóò ïðîäàæíûå ñòàòüè.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: À ñàìè ëþäè. Êîòîðûì îí íðàâèòñÿ, êàê ïåðñîíàæ íîâîñòåé. Ìîæåò áûòü, îíè äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñåðüåçíî îòíîñÿòñÿ ê òîìó, ÷òî Ïóòèí âëèÿåò íà ïîëèòèêó Ðîññèè, ñ÷èòàþò, ÷òî åãî ðîëü î÷åíü âåëèêà è ïîýòîìó ïðèñìàòðèâàþòñÿ ê íåìó, êàê ê ïîëèòè÷åñêîìó ëèäåðó. Íàì õî÷åòñÿ ïîíÿòü, íàñêîëüêî ëþäè âíèìàòåëüíî îòíîñÿòñÿ ê Ïóòèíó.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Âîïðîñ «Õó èç ìèñòåð Ïóòèí?» [àíãë. Who is Mr. Putin? – êòî ã-í Ïóòèí?] - äî ñèõ ïîð çâó÷èò?

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Îíè óæå ñïðàøèâàþò: «Âîò èç ìèñòåð Ïóòèí?» [àíãë. What is Mr. Putin? – Êòî ã-í Ïóòèí ïî ïðîôåññèè?].

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Ñòîëüêî òåçèñîâ ñðàçó ïðîçâó÷àëî, ÿ äàæå íå çíàþ, íà êàêîé èç íèõ íà÷àòü îòâå÷àòü. ×òî-òî ê ðîññèÿíàì î÷åíü æåñòêî. Íå ñîâñåì óæ íàø ñ âàìè íàðîä èäèîò, ÷òî òîëüêî íà âíåøíîñòü ñìîòðèò. ß áû íå ñîãëàñèëàñü. Äàæå ñêàçàëà áû, ÷òî ñîâñåì íå èäèîòû. Íî äåëî íå â ýòîì. ß òàê ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî ìû ñåãîäíÿ îáñóæäàåì âíóòðåííèé èìèäæ.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Íåò, ìû íå îáñóæäàåì âíóòðåííèé èìèäæ.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Ïðåæäå ÷åì îáñóæäàòü, íóæíî îïðåäåëèòüñÿ, êàêèå ñòðàíû ìû èìååì ââèäó è äàæå êàêèå ðåãèîíû.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Ìû áåðåì Åâðîïó è Àìåðèêó.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Ìû áåðåì Çàïàä. Òóò åñòü äâå âåùè, êàê ìíå êàæåòñÿ, êîòîðûå íóæíî ðàçäåëèòü. Ýòî ÑÌÈ, ÷òî ïèøóò â ÑÌÈ, òåíäåíöèÿ è ÷òî ñ÷èòàþò ëþäè, ñóäÿ ïî ðàçíûì âîïðîñàì.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Íàñ èíòåðåñóåò âòîðîå, ÿ ìîãó âàì ñðàçó íà ýòîò âîïðîñ îòâåòèòü.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: È ñêîëüêî ïåðâîå âëèÿåò íà âòîðîå.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Íàâåðíÿêà âëèÿåò. Ýòî æå ÑÌÈ, ìíîãèå èç íèõ âëèÿòåëüíûå.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Âû ñêàçàëè ñðàçó, ÷òî íå òàêèå â Ðîññèè èäèîòû, ìû íå òîëüêî íà âíåøíîñòü ñìîòðèì. Íà ÷òî åùå ñìîòðÿò îáû÷íûå ëþäè, êîòîðûå æèâóò â Àìåðèêå è èì íàäî ÷òî-òî ñêàçàòü ïðî Ïóòèíà. Èì çàäàþò êàêîé-òî âîïðîñ èëè ó íèõ ôîðìèðóåòñÿ êàêîå-òî ìíåíèå. Îíè ðàçáèðàþòñÿ â òîíêîñòÿõ âíåøíåé ïîëèòèêè, ÷òî ëè? Èëè ñëåäÿò çà öåíàìè íà òîïëèâî?

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Êàêîãî ìàñøòàáà äîëæíî ñëó÷èòüñÿ ñîáûòèå, ÷òîáû îíè çàïîìíèëè ôàìèëèè åãî ó÷àñòíèêîâ?

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Íóæíî ïîíèìàòü, ÷òî âî ìíîãèõ ñòðàíàõ è îñîáåííî â ÑØÀ, ñòðàíà àññîöèèðóåòñÿ ñ ëèäåðîì î÷åíü ñèëüíî, îñîáåííî â ìåäèà. À ìåäèà âëèÿþò íà îáùåñòâåííîå ìíåíèå. È òî, ÷òî ïðîèñõîäèò â Ðîññèè – ýòî Ïóòèí äåëàåò. Âû ïî÷èòàéòå çàìåòêè. «Ïóòèí ïðèíÿë ðåøåíèå, åãî ðåøåíèÿ òàêèå-òî…» Êîãäà ïîíèìàåøü, î ÷åì èäåò ðå÷ü, òî ïîíèìàåøü, ÷òî ýòî ãäå-òî, â êàêîì-òî ðåãèîíå çàêðûëè ãàçåòó.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Íàñêîëüêî ýòî îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò òîãî, êàê ìû âèäèì Àìåðèêó, êîãäà ìû ïîíèìàåì, ÷òî Êîíãðåññ ó íèõ – îäíî, à ïðåçèäåíò – äðóãîå.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Êòî ïîíèìàåò, Òîíÿ????

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Íå ñèëüíî îòëè÷àåòñÿ.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Âûéäè íà óëèöó è ñïðîñè, ÷òî òàêîå Êîíãðåññ. Òåáå áóäåò îäèí îòâåò èç ñòà.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Ìíå íåìíîæêî íåëîâêî, ÷òî ÿ îäíà ãîâîðþ, âû èçâèíèòå ìåíÿ.

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Ïîæàëóéñòà.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: ×òî êàñàåòñÿ Àìåðèêè, îíà, êàê èçâåñòíî, ñòðàíà ãîðàçäî áîëåå çàêðûòàÿ, ÷åì Åâðîïà â òîì ïëàíå, ÷òî åå íàðîäîíàñåëåíèþ ãîðàçäî áîëüøå íàïëåâàòü íà òî, ÷òî ïðîèñõîäèò è â Ðîññèè, è â Åâðîïå è âî ìíîãèõ äðóãèõ ñòðàíàõ. Ìíîãèå äàæå íå çíàþò, î ÷åì ðå÷ü. Ñåé÷àñ öèòèðîâàëè, ÷òî 52 ïðîöåíòà ìîëîäûõ àìåðèêàíöåâ âîîáùå íå çíàþò, êòî òàêîé Ïóòèí.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Äà. êàæäûé âòîðîé àìåðèêàíåö â âîçðàñòå îò 17 äî 29 ëåò íå íàçîâåò âàì ïðåçèäåíòà Ðîññèè. Íî åñëè áûòü äî êîíöà ÷åñòíûì æóðíàëèñòîì, òî íàäî îòìåòèòü, ÷òî â öåëîì îá àìåðèêàíöàõ, òî 71 ïðîöåíò çíàåò, âñå-òàêè, êòî òàêîé Âëàäèìèð Ïóòèí. Çíàþò, ÷òî ýòî ïðåçèäåíò Ðîññèè.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Ñëàâà Áîãó, ÷åðåç 8 ëåò! Ïðèåõàëè! Çàìå÷àòåëüíî!

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: ß íåäàâíî âèäåëà î÷åíü ñåðüåçíóþ âûáîðêó îäíîé îðãàíèçàöèè, êîòîðàÿ àíàëèçèðîâàëà ìåäèà ìåæäóíàðîäíûå çà ýòîò ãîä è Ïóòèí òàì ïî óïîìèíàåìîñòè ñðåäè ìèðîâûõ ëèäåðîâ ìåñòå íà ñåäüìîì.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: íó, íå ïëîõî, íàâåðíîå. È âñå-òàêè, õîòåëîñü áû Ñåðãåÿ Êóðãèíÿíà ê íàøåé áåñåäå ïîäêëþ÷èòü.

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Ïîäêëþ÷àéòå.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Ïðåæäå ÷åì ìû ê öèôðàì îáðàòèìñÿ, êàêèå, ïî-âàøåìó, îñíîâíûå ìîìåíòû ôîðìèðóþò îáðàç ðîññèéñêîãî ëèäåðà çà ðóáåæîì?

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî îñíîâíîå, ÷òî ñåé÷àñ ñóùåñòâóåò íà Çàïàäå, è íàì ýòî ïðèäåòñÿ ïðèçíàòü, ýòî êðèçèñ ïîëèòè÷åñêîãî ëèäåðñòâà. Ýòî òÿæåëûé è ñåðüåçíûé âîïðîñ. Îí ñëàãàåòñÿ èç äâóõ êîìïîíåíòîâ. Ïåðâîå – ýòî ïî ôàêòó. Ïî ôàêòó íå ãóñòî. Ýòî íå äå Ãîëü, íå Ðóçâåëüò, ðàçíèöà î÷åâèäíà. Âòîðîå – ïî òåíäåíöèè. Åñòü òåíäåíöèÿ ãîâîðèòü î ñìåðòè ïîëèòèêè èëè î òîì, ÷òî ìåäèà-ýëèòà õî÷åò óíè÷òîæèòü ïîëèòèêó, êàê ÿâëåíèå. Îáû÷íî óïîìèíàþò îá ýòîì øîó, ÷òî âñå ïîëèòèêè ñòàíîâÿòñÿ øîó-ìåíàìè. È ó íàñ òîæå îáîæàþò èãðàòü ñïåêòàêëè. Âñå ãîòîâû ñûãðàòü ëþáûå ðîëè. Æèðèíîâñêèé, Õàêàìàäà, êòî óãîäíî. Âîò ýòó òåàòðàëèçàöèþ îáùåñòâó, øîó, äåâàëüâàöèÿ ïîëèòèêà î÷åíü âàæíà íà Çàïàäå, ïîòîìó, ÷òî ñêâîçü ýòî ê âëàñòè ïðîäèðàþòñÿ íîâûå ëèäåðû. Õîëîäíûå, áåñïîùàäíûå, òðàíñíàöèîíàëüíûå è äåéñòâóþùèå íà äðóãèõ îñíîâàíèÿõ, äëÿ êîòîðûõ ñìåðòü ïîëèòèêè – ýòî åå êðåäî. È, íàêîíåö, ñìåðòü èäåîëîãèè, ñìåðòü ñóáúåêòîâ. Íà ôîíå ýòèõ ñìåðòåé, à òàêæå ñîáûòèé â Èðàêå è âñåãî ïðî÷åãî, íåëüçÿ íå ñêàçàòü, ÷òî Ïóòèí õîðîøî ñìîòðèòñÿ. Îí ñìîòðèòñÿ õîðîøî. Ìíå íå õî÷åòñÿ òàê ãîâîðèòü, ÷òî íà áåçðûáüå. Íî íà ýòîì áåçðûáüå îí íå ìîæåò íå ñìîòðåòüñÿ. Î÷åâèäíî. È îí ñìîòðèòñÿ. Ïîòîìó, ÷òî îí èãðó äåðæèò, îí áûñòðî ðåàãèðóåò, îí âïîëíå ñîâðåìåíåí.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Òî åñòü, òàêèå øîóìåíñêèå êà÷åñòâà?

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: íåò. Îí íå øîóìåíñêèé. Îí èãðàåò â øîó.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Êàê è âñå, íàâåðíîå.

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Îí ìîæåò. Ýòî èíòåðåñíî. Êàçàëîñü, ÷òî îí íå ñìîæåò, íî îí ýòó ïëàíêó âçÿë. Âî-âòîðûõ, îí â ýòîì øîó íå ðàñòâîðèëñÿ. Îí ìîæåò ïðîÿâëÿòü èäåîëîãèçì, æåñòêîñòü, ñàðêàçì, î÷åíü ìíîãî êà÷åñòâ, ó íåãî äîñòàòî÷íî øèðîêàÿ ïàëèòðà. È, êîíå÷íî, îí îêàçàëñÿ áåçóìíî áûñòðî îáó÷àåìûì.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Íå âàæíî, ÷òî îí ãîâîðèò, à âàæíî êàê îí ãîâîðèò è ïðåïîäíîñèò. È Ìþíõåíñêàÿ ðå÷ü, êîòîðàÿ, ïî èäåå, äîëæíà âûçâàòü øîê è òðåïåò, îíà äîáàâëÿåò åìó î÷êîâ, ïîòîìó, ÷òî îí õîðîøî âûãëÿäèò.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Ïðî Ìþíõåíñêóþ ðå÷ü êîíêðåòíî ÿ õîòåëà áû ñêàçàòü è ýòî îòâå÷àåò íà âîïðîñ, ÷òî âëèÿåò íà âîñïðèÿòèå. Î÷åíü ñèëüíî íà âîñïðèÿòèå Ðîññèè è Ïóòèíà, à ó ìíîãèõ ýòè âåùè îòîæäåñòâëÿþòñÿ, âëèÿåò æåëàíèå ìíîãèõ, êîíå÷íî íå âñåõ, íî ìíîãèõ åâðîïåéöåâ, èõ âîçìóùåíèå Àìåðèêîé è òåì, ÷òî îíà äåëàåò è èõ æåëàíèå, ÷òîáû â ýòîì ìèðå ïîÿâèëñÿ äðóãîé öåíòð. ß äóìàþ, ÷òî ðîâíî ñ ýòèì ñâÿçàíû ñîâåðøåííî öèôðû, êîòîðûå íàñ óäèâèëè, êîòîðûå ïðèøëè èç Ãåðìàíèè ïîñëå Ìþíõåíñêîé ðå÷è, êîãäà 65 ïðîöåíòîâ íåìöåâ íà âîïðîñ «Ïîääåðæèâàåòå ëè âû òåçèñû Ìþíõåíñêîé ðå÷è Â. Ïóòèíà?», à ìû ïîìíèì, ÷òî îíè áûëè î÷åíü æåñòêèå ïî îòíîøåíèþ ê ÑØÀ è âîîáùå î÷åíü æåñòêèå. 65 ïðîöåíòîâ íåìöåâ îòâåòèëè «äà».

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Íà òàêîì «Òðîÿíñêîì êîíå» ìîæíî ñðàçó âíóòðü ïîñàäèòü Êàñòðî, ×àâåñà, Àõìåäèíåæàäà, Ïóòèíà…

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Åñòü ðàçíèöà.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Ìîæíî ñ âàìè ïîñïîðèòü öèôðàìè, ïîòîìó, ÷òî ïåðåäî ìíîé ëåæèò îïðîñ èññëåäîâàòåëüñêîé êîìïàíèè «Õüþ ðèñ¸÷», ìåæäóíàðîäíûé îïðîñ. È ñðàâíèâàþòñÿ, êàê ýòî ÷àñòî áûâàåò, äåéñòâèòåëüíî, óâåðåííîñòü è äîâåðèå â ìèðå ê òàêèì ëèäåðàì, êàê Áóø è Ïóòèí. È êàêîé âûâîä äåëàþò èññëåäîâàòåëè? Îíè âèäÿò, ÷òî ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ 2003 ãîäîì, â 2007 ãîäó â Åâðîïå î÷åíü ñèëüíî óìåíüøèëîñü êîë-âî ëþäåé, êîòîðûå ïîääåðæèâàþò Ïóòèíà è Áóøà. Î÷åíü ñèëüíî ñíèæàåòñÿ äîâåðèå è ê Áóøó, è ê Ïóòèíó, ýòî îáùàÿ òåíäåíöèÿ. Êàçàëîñü áû, Çàïàäíàÿ Åâðîïà äîëæíà ïîëþáèòü Ïóòèíà, êàê àíòàãîíèñòà Áóøà. Ýòîé òåíäåíöèè îæèäàëè ñîöèîëîãè âî âñåì ìèðå. Íî íà ñàìîì äåëå, ýòîãî íå ïðîèñõîäèò. È íå ïðîèñõîäèò òàêîãî ðàçäåëåíèÿ ìèðà íà äâå îñè – Àìåðèêà è Ðîññèÿ. Åâðîïåéöû îäèíàêîâî íå ëþáÿò Áóøà è Ïóòèíà. Îíè ðàçî÷àðîâûâàþòñÿ â äâóõ ýòèõ ëèäåðàõ.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Ïðèâåäè ïðèìåð, ïðîèëëþñòðèðóé.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: 2007 ãîä è 2003 ãîä. Èòàëèÿ…

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Äàâàé íå äèíàìèêó, à ñðàâíåíèå ëó÷øå. ×òî ó Ïóòèíà, ÷òî ó Áóøà.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Çäåñü âèäíî âî ñêîëüêî ðàç óìåíüøèëîñü. Â Ãåðìàíèè â äâà ðàçà óìåíüøèëîñü êîë-âî ëþäåé, êîòîðûå ëþáÿò Ïóòèíà ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ 2003 ãîäîì. Ýòî äàííûå èþíÿ ýòîãî ãîäà.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Íî â Ãåðìàíèè ëþáÿò 19, à Ïóòèíà – 32 ïðîöåíòà.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Â Âåëèêîáðèòàíèè…

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Âû õîòèòå ñêàçàòü, ÷òî â 2003 ãîäó Ïóòèíà «ëþáèëè» 60 ïðîöåíòîâ?

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Äà. Áîëåå 60 ïðîöåíòîâ íåìöåâ ñ áîëüøèì äîâåðèåì îòíîñèëèñü ê Ïóòèíó.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Äàâàéòå ìû áóäåì òî÷íåå. Êàêîé âîïðîñ òàì çàäàåòñÿ? Âû ñ äîâåðèåì îòíîñèòåñü, âû ëþáèòå èëè ÷òî?

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Íàñêîëüêî âû ñ÷èòàåòå, ýòîò ëèäåð ïðîâîäèò ïðàâèëüíóþ ïîëèòèêó?

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Òðåòèé óæå âîïðîñ.

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Ìîæíî ÿ? Ïîëèòèêà – ýòî óæå ìîÿ. Ïðàâèëüíàÿ ïîëèòèêà – ýòî ÷òî?

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Ñ âàøåé òî÷êè çðåíèÿ.

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: À ìîæíî ïî-äðóãîìó? Äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû âû ìåíÿ ëþáèëè, ÷òî ÿ äîëæåí ñäåëàòü?

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Âû äîëæíû â öåëîì îòâå÷àòü ìîèì ïðåäñòàâëåíèÿì î òîì, êàê áûòü ïðàâèëüíûì ïðåçèäåíòîì.

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: À ìîæíî, ÷òîáû íà êóñêè ÿ ñåáÿ èçðåçàë è âû ñúåëè áèôøòåêñû ñúåëè ìåíÿ? Âàì õî÷åòñÿ åñòü. ß ñåáÿ ïîðåæó íà êóñêè, ïîæàðþ, âû ñúåäèòå, ìîæåò áûòü ïîñëå ýòîãî âû ïîëþáèòå áîëüøå âñåãî. Ìû ëþáèì êîãî? Ìû ëþáèì ñëàáóþ Ðîññèþ, êîòîðàÿ ïîçâîëÿåò íåìöàì æèòü ëó÷øå, à ðóññêèì õóæå. Ìû ëþáèì Ðîññèþ, êîòîðàÿ, ÿ ïðîøó ïðîùåíèÿ, èëëþñòðèðóåò êàêîé-íèáóäü òåçèñ. Êàêóþ Ðîññèþ ìû õîòåëè ëþáèòü? Âäðóã îêàçûâàåòñÿ! Ìû æäàëè ýòîãî. Ìû âèäèì êàêóþ-òî äðóãóþ Ðîññèþ è ìû åå íå ëþáèì. Îëèöåòâîðÿåòñÿ ýòî Ïóòèíûì.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Ìû õîòåëè, ÷òîáû Ïóòèí áûë òàêèì-òî è òàêèì-òî.

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Êàêèì?

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Âîò íåïîíÿòíî êàêèì!

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Õîðîøèì, íåìåöêèì ïàðíåì. Ëó÷øèì íåìöåì ãîäà. Íåìöû îáîæàëè Ãîðáà÷åâà. Îíè åãî îáîæàëè çà òî, ÷òî îí ïîäàðèë èì Ñîâåòñêèé Ñîþç. Îí áðîñèë ê èõ íîãàì Ñîâåòñêèé Ñîþç è çà ýòî îíè åãî ëþáèëè. Íî Ïóòèí äîëæåí òîæå áðîñèòü ê íîãàì íåìöåâ îñòàòêè Ðîññèè? Îòäàòü èì Êàëèíèíãðàäñêóþ îáëàñòü. Ó íåãî áóäåò 90 ïðîöåíòîâ ðåéòèíã â Ãåðìàíèè.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Âû õîòèòå çàëåçòü â ãîëîâó êàæäîìó îïðàøèâàåìîìó?

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: ß ñïðàøèâàþ îá èíòåðåñàõ. Âû ñêàçàëè î÷åíü ñåðüåçíûé âîïðîñ. Äåëî íå â òîì, ïî÷åìó åãî ëþáÿò èëè íåò. Ëþáîâü – ýòî äðóãàÿ ìîÿ ñïåöèàëüíîñòü. Òåàòðàëüíûé ðåæèññåð è ÿ íå çàáóäó îäíó èç ëó÷øèõ ðåïëèê Ïóòèíà, êîãäà äåÿòåëè êóëüòóðû åìó ñêàçàëè, â ñàìîì íà÷àëå ýòî åùå áûëî, îí íà íèõ ñìîòðåë ñêåïòè÷åñêè. À îíè ñêàçàëè: «Ìû æå íå äåíåã ñ âàñ õîòèì, à äðóãîãî». È îí ñïðîñèë: «Íåóæåëè ëþáâè?». Ýòî áûëà îäíà èç ëó÷øèõ åãî ðåïëèê. Ìíå î÷åíü ïîíðàâèëîñü. ß ïðîñòî çíàþ äåÿòåëåé êóëüòóðû, ÷åãî îíè õîòÿò.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Íåóæåëè ëþáâè?

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Âîïðîñ çäåñü çàêëþ÷àåòñÿ íå â ýòîì. Ïðî ëþáîâü äàâàéòå îñòàâèì. À åñëè îí ïðîâîäèò ïîëèòèêó, ïðè êîòîðîé Ðîññèè ñòàíîâèòñÿ ëó÷øå, à íåìöàì õóæå, ïî÷åìó íåìöû äîëæíû åãî ëþáèòü? Èëè ñ÷èòàòü, ÷òî ýòî ïîëèòèêà ïðàâèëüíàÿ?

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Î òîì è äåëàåòñÿ íàøà ïåðåäà÷à. Îäíî äåëî, êîãäà ñâîÿ ñòðàíà ëþáèò ñâîåãî ïðåçèäåíòà, ïîòîìó, ÷òî èì õîðîøî îòòîãî, êàê îí ñåáÿ âåäåò. À äðóãîå äåëî, êîãäà ðàçíûå ñòðàíû ïî ðàçíîìó îòíîñÿòñÿ ê ëèäåðó äðóãîé ñòðàíû. Òóò íàäî âûÿñíÿòü ïðè÷èíû. Íî åñëè ìû âèäèì, ÷òî âî âñåé Çàïàäíîé Åâðîïå ðåçêî, â äâà ðàçà óìåíüøàåòñÿ çà 4 ãîäà ëþáîâü ê ëèäåðó äðóãîé ñòðàíû, ýòî íàâîäèò íà ìûñëè.

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Ëþáîâü èëè îöåíêà åãî ïîëèòèêè?

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Îöåíêà åãî ïîëèòèêè.

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Çíà÷èò ïîëèòèêà, êîòîðóþ îí ïðîâîäèò, â èõ ïîíèìàíèè íå îòâå÷àåò èõ èíòåðåñàì.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Êàêàÿ-òî íåïðàâèëüíàÿ.

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Íåò. Îíà, ìîæåò áûòü, ïðàâèëüíàÿ â Ðîññèè, íî íåïðàâèëüíàÿ ïî îòíîøåíèþ ê Ãåðìàíèè. ß îòâå÷àþ çà ñâîè ñëîâà. Âñå ãîâîðÿò, ÷òî Ì.Ñ. Ãîðáà÷åâ áûë àáñîëþòíûì äèòÿ íà ìåæäóíàðîäíîé ñöåíå. Ìàðãàðåò Òýò÷åð ê êîíöó æèçíè íåíàâèäåëà Ãîðáà÷åâà. Îíà íåíàâèäåëà åãî çà òî, ÷òî âîïðåêè òîìó, ÷òî îíà ÷óòü íå íà êîëåíÿõ ñòîÿëà ïåðåä íèì, ÷òîáû îí íå äàë ñîåäèíèòüñÿ Ãåðìàíèè, îí äàë åé âîññîåäèíèòüñÿ. ß õî÷ó ñêàçàòü, ÷òî Ãîðáà÷åâ îêàçàëñÿ äåéñòâèòåëüíî îáúåêòèâíî ëó÷øèì íåìöåì ãîäà. Îí äàë íåìöàì òî, ÷åãî îíè íå ìîãëè ñ÷èòàòü. Êîëü ãîâîðèë, êîãäà ýòî íà÷àëîñü, îí íèêîãäà íå ìîã ïîâåðèòü, ÷òî ðóññêèå ðàçðåøàò, âäðóã îíè îáúåäèíÿþòñÿ. È Êîëü ãîâîðèò: «Ó ìåíÿ ìåëüêíóëà ìûñëü, à åñëè ìû ñåé÷àñ çàïîåì «Äîé÷ëàíä, äîé÷ëàíä þáåðàëëåñ» [íåì. Deutschland Ueber Alles – Ãåðìàíèÿ ïðåâûøå âñåãî], íàñ âåäü íå ïîéìóò». Ñìûñë çàêëþ÷àåòñÿ â òîì, ÷òî åñëè ó Ïóòèíà áóäåò ðåéòèíã 100, êîãäà îí çàïîåò «Äîé÷ëàíä, Äîé÷ëàíä..» è îòäàñò Êàëèíèíãðàäñêóþ îáëàñòü, òîãäà âñå «çàøèáèñü». Äëÿ êîãî-òî. Íî íå äëÿ íàñ. Ïîýòîìó ÿ õî÷ó ïîíÿòü. ß íå õî÷ó àáñîëþòèçèðîâàòü ýòî. Êàêèå ðåàëüíûå êîìïîíåíòû ïîëèòèêè, ÷òî îñóùåñòâèëè â çàïàäíîì ñîçíàíèè? Ìû äîëæíû áîðîòüñÿ, ýòî ñïåöèàëüíîñòü äðóãèõ ëþäåé, çà òî, ÷òîáû ýòî çàïàäíîå ñîçíàíèå îêàçàëîñü ìåíåå ïëàñòè÷íûì. Ìû äîëæíû çíàòü, ÷åì áóäåò ëó÷øå íàì, òåì ìíîãèå íà Çàïàäå áóäóò ñ÷èòàòü, ÷òî èì õóæå. Ïðîäàéòå ìíå ïî 10 äîëëàðîâ.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Ýòî âñå ïîíÿòíî. ß ïðîøó ïðîùåíèÿ.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Îñîçíàíèå ñâîåé çàâèñèìîñòè – ýòî âñåãäà áîëåçíåííî.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Ìû ýòó òåìó îáÿçàòåëüíî îáñóäèì. Ïðàâäà, ïåðâàÿ ÷àñòü ïåðåäà÷è çàâåðøàåòñÿ, ïîòîìó, ÷òî ó íàñ íîâîñòè ÷åðåç íåñêîëüêî ñåêóíä. Ìàðãàðèòà Ñèìîíüÿí è Ñåðãåé Êóðãèíÿí ó íàñ â ãîñòÿõ. Ýòî «Ëóêàâàÿ öèôðà», ìû ãîâîðèì î ðåéòèíãå Ïóòèíà çà ðóáåæîì è îá îòíîøåíèè ê ðîññèéñêîìó ïðåçèäåíòó.

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Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: 22 ÷àñà 34 ìèíóòû. Ìû ïðîäîëæàåì. Ýòî ïðîãðàììà «Ëóêàâàÿ öèôðà». Íàøè ãîñòè - Ìàðãàðèòà Ñèìîíüÿí - ãëàâíûé ðåäàêòîð òåëåêàíàëà "Russia Today" è Ñåðãåé Êóðãèíÿí - ïîëèòîëîã, ïðåçèäåíò ìåæäóíàðîäíîãî îáùåñòâåííîãî ôîíäà "Ýêñïåðèìåíòàëüíûé òâîð÷åñêèé öåíòð".  êîíöå ïðîøëîé ïåðåäà÷è íå î÷åíü ïîíÿëè, çà ÷òî ëþáÿò, çà ÷òî íå ëþáÿò, íî ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî åñòü íåêîå îùóùåíèå, âû ñîâåðøåííî ïðàâèëüíî ñêàçàëè î ëþáâè. Äàâàéòå ïîãîâîðèì î ëþáâè, ïîòîìó, ÷òî ÿ íå ñîöèîëîã, ÿ íå ìîãó ïîíÿòü, êàê îíî ôîðìèðóåòñÿ, íî åñëè î Äæîðäæå Áóøå ðàññêàçûâàþò àíåêäîòû, íàä íèì ñìåþòñÿ, ïîòîìó, ÷òî ñìîòðèò â áèíîêëü ñ çàêðûòûìè îêóëÿðàìè. Íàä íèì ñìåþòñÿ. Ó Äæîðäæà Áóøà åñòü íåêàÿ ðåïóòàöèÿ. Âî-ïåðâûõ, îí ñìåøîí, ïðîñòèòå. Âî-âòîðûõ, åñòü ê íåìó âîïðîñû ïî âîéíå â Èðàêå. Ýòî îñíîâíîé ìîìåíò, çà êîòîðûé åãî íå ëþáÿò.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: È òîæå ñàìîå ñ Âëàäèìèðîì Ïóòèíûì. Åãî ìîæíî ëþáèòü èëè íå ëþáèòü, åãî îáðàç ìîæíî ðàññìàòðèâàòü ïî êóñî÷êàì.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Ñîâåðøåííî ñïðàâåäëèâî. Áóäåì ðåçàòü åãî íà êóñî÷êè è æàðèòü èç íåãî ìÿñà.

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Íàñ÷åò ðàñêëàäûâàíèÿ íà êóñî÷êè, ýòó ìóçûêó ÿ ðàçúÿë, êàê òðóï. È òî, ÷òî âû ó ìåíÿ ñåé÷àñ ñïðàøèâàåòå – ýòî ïîëèòè÷åñêàÿ êóëüòóðîëîãèÿ.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Ïðîáëåìà â òîì, ÷òî êàæäûé óâèäèò ñâîè êóñî÷êè.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Åñòü îáùèé ñðåç, îòíîøåíèå ôîðìèðóåòñÿ.

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Ýòî íàçûâàåòñÿ ãåøòàëüò. ×òîáû íå ãðóçèòü âñåõ çàóìíûìè ñëîâàìè, ÿ íàïîìíþ òî, ÷òî âñå äîëæíû çíàòü. Ýòî «Åâãåíèé Îíåãèí». «È â ñåðäöå äóìà çàðîíèëàñü;/Ïîðà ïðèøëà, îíà âëþáèëàñü./Òàê â çåìëþ ïàäøåå çåðíî/Âåñíû îãíåì îæèâëåíî./Äàâíî åå âîîáðàæåíüå,/Ñãîðàÿ íåãîé è òîñêîé,/Àëêàëî ïèùè ðîêîâîé…../ È äîæäàëàñü... Îòêðûëèñü î÷è;/Îíà ñêàçàëà: ýòî îí!». Çíà÷èò, ñìûñë çàêëþ÷àåòñÿ â òîì, ÷òî äàâíî åå âîîáðàæåíèå ñãîðàëî íåãîé è òîñêîé. Íå åå, à òàì, âíóòðè, åñòü èäåàëüíûé îáðàç. Ó âàñ åñòü îáðàç. Êîãäà ÿ ïðèõîæó è ðàíüøå, ÷åì ÿ ÷òî-òî äåëàþ, âû ñâåðÿåòå ìåíÿ ñ âàøèì èäåàëüíûì îáðàçîì. Ïîïàäàþ èëè íåò. ÿ ïîïàäàþ â äåñÿòêó, â òðîéêó. È ýòîé âûçûâàåò ïåðâûé ãåøòàëüò. Ïîòîì âû äóìàåòå, êàê èñïîëüçîâàòü ïàðíÿ, åñòü ëè ó íåãî äåíüãè, ñâîäèò ëè â ðåñòîðàí. Íî âíà÷àëå âû ãîâîðèòå: «Îí ýòî èëè íåò?» Åñëè îí – âàì óæå íàïëåâàòü, ñâîäèò â ðåñòîðàí èëè íå ñâîäèò.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Íó âîò, äëÿ Àìåðèêè è Åâðîïû – îí èëè íå îí?

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: ×òî áû îíè õîòåëè âèäåòü? Îíè, êîíå÷íî, ðàçíûå. Íî ÷òî áû îíè õîòåëè âèäåòü? Îíè õîòåëè áû âèäåòü ñåãîäíÿ êàêîãî-òî èì ïîäîáíîãî, óçíàâàåìîãî, äîáðîãî, ïîêëàäèñòîãî ïàðíÿ.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Òî åñòü, ïðååìíèêà Ãîðáà÷åâà.

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Äà. îíè õîòåëè áû âèäåòü ïðååìíèêà Ãîðáè. Íå âñå, íî ìíîãèå. Íî îí íå Ãîðáè. È âòîðàÿ âåùü çàêëþ÷àåòñÿ â òîì, ÷òî, ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ýòî ñóììà äâóõ âåëè÷èí. Âû ïîéìèòå! Ýòî, ìîæåò áûòü, òðàãè÷íî, íî ýòî òàê. ÷åì áîëüøå âàñ ëþáÿò çäåñü – òåì ìåíüøå ëþáÿò òàì è íàîáîðîò. Î÷åíü òðóäíî ñäåëàòü è òî, è äðóãîå îäíîâðåìåííî. Ðàííèé Ãîðáà÷åâ, åùå íàäåæäà çäåñü, åùå íàäåæäà òàì, îíè ñîâïàäàþò. Äàëüøå – ðàçî÷àðîâàíèå çäåñü. È ëþáîé íàöèîíàëüíûé ïîëèòèê äóìàåò, ïðåæäå âñåãî, î òîì, íðàâèòñÿ ëè îí ñâîèì, à ïîòîì îí õî÷åò åùå ïîíðàâèòüñÿ ÷óæèì. Îí íå õî÷åò èõ íàïóãàòü. Çà÷åì?

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî ìû âîîáùå íå ìîæåì ãîâîðèòü î íåêîì îáùåì îáðàçå, ïîòîìó, ÷òî…

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Ìîæåì! Ïî÷åìó?

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Íå ìîæåì! Öèôðû ðàçíÿòñÿ.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Öèôðû ðàçíÿòñÿ â ãîëîâå. Åñòü ðåïóòàöèÿ.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ:  Ãåðìàíèè äðóãîå. Åñòü ÷àñòü ëþäåé, äëÿ êîòîðûõ Ïóòèí îäíîçíà÷íî ïëîõîé, îíè åìó íå äîâåðÿþò, à åñòü ÷àñòü ëþäåé, äëÿ êîòîðûõ îí õîðîøèé è îíè õîòÿò, ÷òîáû îí è äàëüøå îñòàâàëñÿ. Ìû ìîæåì ïðîàíàëèçèðîâàòü, ïî÷åìó åñòü îäíî è ïî÷åìó åñòü âòîðîå. È âîò íà ìîé âçãëÿä, òî, ÷òî ñâÿçàíî ñ íåäîâåðèåì, ñ èñïóãîì è ïðî÷èì – ýòà êàòåãîðèÿ ëþäåé, âî-ïåðâûõ, ìíîãî ÷èòàåò ãàçåòû ñâîè è ñìîòðèò òåëåâèçîð ñâîé, âî-âòîðûõ, ïóãàåò âîò ýòî «âäðóã îòêóäà íå âîçüìèñü» îïÿòü ïîÿâèâøàÿñÿ Ðîññèÿ. Åùå è îñîçíàíèå òîãî, ÷òî îò ýòîé Ðîññèè, î êîòîðîé è äóìàòü çàáûëè è áîÿòüñÿ ïåðåñòàëè, à îêàçûâàåòñÿ åñòü åùå íåêîòîðûå çàâèñèìîñòè. Îñîáåííî ýòî êàñàåòñÿ Åâðîïû. Ýòî, íàâåðíîå, ëþäåé è ïóãàåò, ðàññòðàèâàåò. Åñòü âòîðàÿ êàòåãîðèÿ, êîòîðûõ ðàäóåò è îíè àïëîäèðóþò. Ýòî òî, î ÷åì ÿ ãîâîðèëà. Ýòî ëþäè, êîòîðûå âèäÿò â âîçðîæäàþùåéñÿ Ðîññèè, êîòîðóþ âåäåò Ïóòèí, íåêèé ïðîòèâîâåñ Øòàòàì, íåêèå ñìåëûå çàÿâëåíèÿ, êîòîðûå, ìîæåò áûòü, íå ìîãóò ñåáå ïîçâîëèòü èõ ëèäåðû, à îíè áû õîòåëè ýòî ñëûøàòü îò ñâîèõ ëèäåðîâ.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Ïî ìåðå òîãî, êàê åâðîïåéöû è àìåðèêàíöû íà÷èíàþò óçíàâàòü Â. Ïóòèíà â ëèöî è ïîíèìàòü, ÷òî Ïóòèí – ýòî ïðåçèäåíò Ðîññèè, îíè ôîðìèðóþò ñâîå îòíîøåíèå ê íåìó. Òóò âäðóã îêàçûâàåòñÿ, ÷òî, êîíå÷íî, åñòü òå, êòî ñðàçó âëþáèëñÿ è ïðîñòî åãî îáîæàåò, åñòü òå, êòî èì íåäîâîëüíû ïî êàêèì-òî ðàöèîíàëüíûì ïðè÷èíàì, íî, êîãäà ñîöèîëîãè çàäàþò åâðîïåéöàì âîïðîñ «Âû Ïóòèíó, êàê ïîëèòèêó, ìîæåòå äîâåðÿòü èëè íåò?», îêàçûâàåòñÿ î÷åíü èíòåðåñíàÿ âåùü. Îêàçûâàåòñÿ, ÷òî î÷åíü áîëüøîå êîë-âî ëþäåé â Åâðîïå íå ìîæåò îïðåäåëèòüñÿ âîîáùå, ÷òî òàêîå Ïóòèí è ñ ÷åì åãî íàäî åñòü. Îí íàñòîëüêî íå ïîõîæ, ÷òî â Âåëèêîáðèòàíèè íà ïðîñòîé âîïðîñ «Ìîæíî ëè äîâåðÿòü Â. Ïóòèíó, êàê ïîëèòèêó?» 50 ïðîöåíòîâ â 2006 ãîäó â èþëÿ ìåñÿöå çàòðóäíÿëèñü îòâåòèòü. Âî Ôðàíöèè – 43 ïðîöåíòà çàòðóäíÿëèñü îòâåòèòü, 34 ïðîöåíòà â Èòàëèè, çäåñü èòàëüÿíöû ñðàçó âëþáèëèñü â Ïóòèíà è äîâåðÿëè åìó ïî ïîëíîé ïðîãðàììå. 48 ïðîöåíòîâ íåìöåâ çàòðóäíÿëèñü îòâåòèòü, 46 ïðîöåíòîâ èñïàíöåâ. ×òî êàñàåòñÿ òîãî, êòî æå äîâåðÿåò Ïóòèíó è êòî âèäèò â íåì ïîëèòèêà, êîòîðûé…

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: À ìîæíî ÿ ñêàæó?

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Êîììåíòàðèè ê öèôðàì.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: ß âîò õîòåëà ïðèñóòñòâóþùèì çàäàòü âîïðîñ. Âû äîâåðÿåòå Íèêîëÿ Ñàðêîçè, êàê ïîëèòèêó? ×òî îòâåòèòü? ß îòâå÷ó – çàòðóäíÿþñü îòâåòèòü.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Óòî÷íÿþ. Òîíÿ çäåñü íå ñîâñåì òî÷íî ïåðåâåëà. Çäåñü íå «Êýí þ òðàñò Âëàäèìèð Ïóòèí?» [àíãë. Can you trust Vladimir Putin? – Ìîæåòå ëè Âû äîâåðÿòü ã-íó Ïóòèíó?], à «Êýí çå Þîðîïèåí Þíèîí òðàñò Âëàäèìèð Ïóòèí?» [àíãë. Can the European Union trust Vladimir Putin? – Ìîæåò ëè Åâðîïåéñêèé Ñîþç äîâåðÿòü Âëàäèìèðó Ïóòèíó?]. Òàê ïîíÿòíåå?

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Êàê ýòî íàçûâàåòñÿ? Ýòî íàçûâàåòñÿ ÷òî îáðàç ãåòåðîãåííûé, êàêèå-òî åãî êîìïîíåíòû âûçûâàþò áåçóñëîâíóþ ñèìïàòèþ, à äðóãèå âûçûâàþò íàñòîðîæåííîñòü. Êîãäà ñóììà ñèìïàòèè è íàñòîðîæåííîñòè âûðàæàåòñÿ â íåîïðåäåëåííîé ðåàêöèè è ó âàñ áóäåò òàê. Êòî îí òàêîé? Äà, îí âðîäå ìíå óëûáíóëñÿ, âñå òàê õîðîøî. Íî, ñ äðóãîé ñòîðîíû, îí òóò óõìûëüíóëñÿ, à òóò îí íà÷àë óõàæèâàòü çà äðóãîé äåâóøêîé. Âîò â ýòîì îí ìíå íðàâèòñÿ, à â ýòîì íåò.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Îí ïðîòèâîðå÷èâ?

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ:  èõ ñîçíàíèè ïðîèñõîäèò ñøèáêà äâóõ îáðàçîâ. Òåïåðü ñìîòðèòå, êàêèå îáðàçû. Ñ îäíîé ñòîðîíû, îíè ïî-ïðåæíåìó õîòÿò, ÷òîáû îíè íå áîÿëèñü Ðîññèè. ×òî çíà÷èò «íå áîÿëèñü Ðîññèè»? Åñòü äâå âîçìîæíîñòè, ÷òîáû ÿ âàñ íå áîÿëñÿ. Ïåðâàÿ âîçìîæíîñòü. ß âàñ ëþáëþ è ÿ âàì äîâåðÿþ, à âòîðàÿ âîçìîæíîñòü – ÿ âàñ íà÷èíàþ áîÿòüñÿ, åñëè âû ëåæèòå â ïîëóäîõëîì ñîñòîÿíèè è íå ìîæåòå øåâåëüíóòñÿ. Ñòðàõ – åñòü îäíà èç êîìïîíåíòîâ îòíîøåíèÿ ê Ðîññèè. Åñòü äâå Ãåðìàíèè. Ãåðìàíèÿ Øóáåðòà è äðóãèõ, êîòîðûå áåñêîíå÷íî ëþáÿò Ðîññèþ è Ãåðìàíèÿ, êîòîðàÿ áåñêîíå÷íî íåíàâèäèò è íèêîãäà íå ïðîñòèò, â òîì ÷èñëå, çíàìÿ ïîáåäû íàä Ðåéõñòàãîì. Îäíà Ãåðìàíèÿ áóäåò çàïàäàòü íà îäíî, äðóãàÿ – íà äðóãîå. Íî äàæå ïðîìåæóòî÷íàÿ áóäåò ñ îäíîé ñòîðîíû áîÿòüñÿ, à ñ äðóãîé ñòîðîíû äóìàòü: «À ìîæåò, ýòî è åñòü òîò ñèëüíûé ðóññêèé, êîòîðûé ñäåëàåò…»

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Ñïîðþ öèôðàìè.  òîì æå îïðîñå, òåõ æå ëþäåé ñïðàøèâàþò «Óãðîæàåò ëè Ðîññèÿ ãëîáàëüíîé ñòàáèëüíîñòè?», îäèí ïðîöåññ â ñðåäíåì â Åâðîïå òàê ñ÷èòàåò. È ýòîò æå îäèí ïðîöåíò âî Ôðàíöèè, Âåëèêîáðèòàíèè, Èñïàíèè.

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Òåïåðü ñïðîñèòå èõ, óãðîæàåò ëè Ðîññèÿ ñûðüåâîé çàâèñèìîñòüþ îò Çàïàäà? È âû ïîëó÷èòå äðóãèå ïðîöåíòû.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Âîçâðàùàÿñü ê ýòîé òåìå, ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî ýòî ïðîñòî ãëóïûé âîïðîñ è íà òàêîé âîïðîñ, ìîæåò ëè ÅÑ äîâåðÿòü Ïóòèíó, êàê ïîëèòèêó, äà èëè íåò ìîãóò îòâåòèòü ëþäè, çàíèìàþùèåñÿ ïîëèòèêîé ïðîôåññèîíàëüíî, à ïîäàâëÿþùåå áîëüøèíñòâî ëþäåé, áåçóñëîâíî, çàòðóäíÿþòñÿ ñ îòâåòîì.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Åñëè ìû îñòàâëÿåì ýòèõ çàòðóäíÿþùèõñÿ çà ñêîáêàìè è ñìîòðèì, êîãî áîëüøå – äîâåðÿþùèõ èëè íåò, ó íàñ ïîëó÷àåòñÿ…

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: … ÷òî äîâåðÿåò 20 ïðîöåíòîâ, à íå äîâåðÿåò 36 ïðîöåíòîâ.

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Ñêàæèòå ÷òî-íèáóäü, ÷òîáû ÿ ïîðóãàë Ïóòèíà. Ìíå íå õî÷åòñÿ âûñòóïàòü â ðîëè íåïðåðûâíîãî àäâîêàòà Ïóòèíà. ß ñïðàøèâàþ âàñ î äðóãîì. Ëþäè, êîìó âû äîâåðÿåòå? Âîò êîãäà âû èñïûòûâàåòå ýòî äîâåðèå, âû ìîæåòå èñïûòûâàòü äîâåðèå â äâóõ ñëó÷àÿõ. Åñëè ýòî âàø ðó÷íîé áîé, êîòîðûé èäåò çà âàìè êóäà óãîäíî, âîëî÷åòñÿ, êàê óãîäíî, ýòî ñâîé èíäååö, íàø «ñóêèí ñûí». È ìîæåòå äîâåðÿòü ñèëüíîìó ÷åëîâåêó, åñëè ïîíèìàåòå, ÷òî ñ íèì âìåñòå ìîæåòå ñûãðàòü â îäíó èãðó. Ãëàâíîå çàêëþ÷àåòñÿ â òîì, ÷òî ïîêà ýòîò Çàïàä íå ïîéìåò, ÷òî ìîæåò äîâåðÿòü òîëüêî ñèëüíîé Ðîññèè, ïîêà îí íå ïîéìåò, ÷òî Ðîññèÿ ðåàëüíî ÿâëÿåòñÿ ÷àñòüþ åãî. Åñòü ïðîñòîé òåñò.  2001 ãîäó Ïóòèí ñäåëàë Áóøó òî, ÷òî íå ñäåëàë íèêîãäà íè îäèí ðóññêèé ïîëèòèê íè îäíîìó àìåðèêàíöó. Ïîñëå «íàéí èëåâåí» [àíãë. “911” – «îäèííàäöàòîå ñåíòÿáðÿ» - íàïàäåíèå íà Âñåìèðíûé Òîðãîâûé Öåíòð â Íüþ-Éîðêå].  ýòîò ìîìåíò áûë åäèíñòâåííûå è ãëàâíûé øàíñ, ÷òî Ðîññèþ, íàêîíåö, ïðèìóò â ÍÀÒÎ, ÷òî îíà ñòàíåò ÷àñòüþ ýòîãî çàïàäíîãî ìèðà «áåç äóðàêîâ», ÷òî îíà íå áóäåò áîÿòüñÿ ðàêåò ÷óæîãî âîåííîãî áëîêà, íàâåäåííîãî íà åå ãîðîäà. Áëýð ïðåäëîæèë ýòî. È ÷òî ìû ïîëó÷èëè? Îòêàç. Ïî÷åìó ìû ïîëó÷èëè îòêàç?

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Æìó âàøó ðóêó!

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Åñëè ìû ïîëó÷èëè îòêàç, çíà÷èò õîðîøèé ðóññêèé – ýòî ì¸ðòâûé ðóññêèé? Òàê âû õîòèòå ì¸ðòâûì ðóññêèì ïîêàçàòü, ÷òî îí õîðîøèé? Âû õîòèòå ïðåäúÿâèòü èì ì¸ðòâîãî, äîõëîãî ðóññêîãî è ÷òîáû îíè íàêîíåö îáðàäîâàëèñü? Òàê ïóñòü îíè ëó÷øå íàñ íåíàâèäÿò. Íåò, ÿ õî÷ó, ÷òîáû îíè íàñ ëþáèëè.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Ìåæäó ïðî÷èì, Ìàðãàðèòà, âàø ïðèìåð ñ Ìþíõåíñêîé ðå÷üþ – ýòî ïîêàçàòåëü â âàøó êîïèëêó. Àãðåññèâíûé Ïóòèí – 65 ïðîöåíòîâ.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Àãðåññèâíûé â ñòîðîíó ÑØÀ, ïîíèìàåòå? Êîòîðûõ áîÿòñÿ åùå áîëüøå è ê Áóøó ïîíÿòíî, ÷òî îòíîøåíèå âåçäå ãîðàçäî õóæå, ÷åì ê Ïóòèíó. Íå çíàþ, ÷òî òàì ãîâîðÿò âàøè öèôðû, íî íàâåðíÿêà ïîäòâåðæäàþò.


Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Åñòü ìíîãî ëþäåé, êîòîðûå ñ÷èòàþò ñåáÿ çàïàäíèêàìè, àìåðèêàíèñòàìè. Íî òîëüêî äàâàéòå òîãäà ãîâîðèòü î ñîþçå Ñòàëèíà è Ðóçâåëüòà. Äàâàéòå ãîâîðèòü î òîì, ÷òî åñòü ñèëüíàÿ Ðîññèÿ, êîòîðàÿ èìååò ÷òî-òî îáùåå è ñòðàòåãè÷åñêè ñòðîèò Ñîþç. Íàñ íå ïóñòèëè â ýòîò Ñîþç â êîíöå Âòîðîé ìèðîâîé âîéíû. Åñòü ó ìåíÿ äðóçüÿ ñ î÷åíü áîëüøèì îïûòîì â ðàçâåäêå è â äèïëîìàòè÷åñêîé äåÿòåëüíîñòè, êîòîðûå ñ÷èòàþò, ÷òî Ðóçâåëüòà ïðîñòî óáèëè, ÷òîáû íàñ òóäà íå ïóñòèëè. Åñòü òàêàÿ êðàéíÿÿ òî÷êà çðåíèÿ. Íàñ íå ïóñòèëè òóäà â ýïîõó Êåííåäè, íàñ íåñêîëüêî ðàç íå ïóñêàëè ê ýòîìó ñîåäèíåíèþ ñ Çàïàäîì. È ÷òî æå ýòî ñåãîäíÿ çà èäèîòñêèé, ñàìîóáèéñòâåííûé, çàïàäíûé ìèðîîùóòèòåëüíûé òðåíä, ïðè êîòîðîì ìû äåëàåì âñ¸, è äåëàåì, è äåëàåì, è äåëàåì! À ýòîé èíòåãðàöèè íå ïðîèñõîäèò. Íî, èçâèíèòå, òîãäà ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî ìû ñäóðó íàòâîðèëè ÷óäîâèùíóþ áåäó äëÿ ñâîåãî íàðîäà, ïîòîìó, ÷òî ïîäëåò ýòèõ ðàêåò èç Ãåðìàíèè, åùå ñ Çàïàäíîé – ýòî îäíî, à ïîäëåòíîå âðåìÿ ýòèõ ðàêåò èç Íàðâû, âû ìåíÿ ñëûøèòå? Èëè ñ Óêðàèíû – ýòî ñîâñåì äðóãîå.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Ãîñïîäà! Êîãäà ìû ãîâîðèì îá èíòåãðàöèè, ìû ãîâîðèì î òåõ ðåøåíèÿõ, êîòîðûå ïðèíèìàþòñÿ ïðàâèòåëüñòâàìè ñòðàí. À íàñ åùå âî ìíîãîì èíòåðåñóåò è îáùåñòâåííîå ìíåíèå â ýòèõ ñòðàíàõ.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Âû ãîâîðèòå î ñòðàíàõ, êîòîðûå âû ñàìè ñ÷èòàåòå äåìîêðàòè÷åñêèìè?

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: ß ãîâîðþ î ðàçíûõ ñòðàíàõ.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Ìû ãîâîðèì î Çàïàäíîé Åâðîïå.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: ß íå ìîãó â îäíîé è òîé æå ìåðå íàçûâàòü Èòàëèþ è Âåëèêîáðèòàíèþ äåìîêðàòè÷åñêèìè ñòðàíàìè.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ:  äåìîêðàòè÷åñêîé ñòðàíå ïðàâèòåëüñòâî, êàê ïðèíÿòî äóìàòü, îòðàæàåò èíòåðåñû ñâîåãî íàðîäà. Çíà÷èò ýòè âåùè áîëåå-ìåíåå òîæäåñòâåííû.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Òåì íå ìåíåå, íàðîä ñ îïðåäåëåííîé ðåãóëÿðíîñòüþ äåëåãèðóåò îïðåäåëåííûì ëþäÿì è îïðåäåëåííûì ñèëàì ïðàâî ðåøàòü çà ñåáÿ êàêèå-òî âíåøíå-ïîëèòè÷åñêèå âîïðîñû è èìååò âîçìîæíîñòü, ïîñëå òîãî, êàê ïðîøëè äåìîêðàòè÷åñêèå âûáîðû, íå âäàâàòüñÿ â ñóòü î÷åíü ñëîæíîé âíåøíåé ïîëèòèêè è âîåííîé ïîëèòèêè, à ñêàçàòü «Ðåáÿòà! Âû â ýòîì ëó÷øå ðàçáèðàåòåñü, âîò âàì ìàíäàò – è âïåðåä!». Çà ýòîò ïåðèîä, êîãäà ïðîøëè âûáîðû, åãî ìíåíèå. Íàñêîëüêî ïðàâèëüíî ïðîõîäèò ïîëèòèêà, ìîæåò ìåíÿòüñÿ. Âîçâðàùàÿñü ê îáùåñòâåííîìó ìíåíèþ. ß îòâå÷àþ íà âîïðîñ Ìàðãàðèòû.  ÷åì êîíêðåòíî Ïóòèí îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò Áóøà â îáùåñòâåííîì ìíåíèè Çàïàäíîé Åâðîïû? Îí îòëè÷àåòñÿ â òîì, ÷òî ïî ïîâîäó Áóøà âñåì âñå ïîíÿòíî. Òàì ìåíüøèé ïðîöåíò ëþäåé. Ìû òîëüêî ÷òî ñìîòðåëè êîëè÷åñòâî ëþäåé â Çàïàäíîé Åâðîïû, êîòîðûå íå ñôîðìèðîâàëè ñâîå ìíåíèå î Âëàäèìèðå Ïóòèíå. Îíè íå ïîíèìàþò, îí ñâîé èãðîê â ÷óæîé êîìàíäå, îí ñâîé èãðîê â Ðîññèè, Ðîññèÿ èäåò ïî òåì æå ïðèíöèïàì, ÷òî è èõ ñòðàíû. Èëè íàîáîðîò.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: ß äóìàþ, ÷òî âû ñèëüíî ïðåóâåëè÷èâàåòå êîë-âî ëþäåé, êîòîðûå õîòü ðàç â æèçíè çàäóìûâàëèñü îá ýòîì âîïðîñå.

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: À ÿ ñ÷èòàþ, ÷òî âû íåäîîöåíèâàåòå ôàêòîð «ñâîé – ÷óæîé». Áóø äëÿ íèõ ñâîé. À ýòîò ÷óæîé. È äâå âåùè, êîòîðûå ÿ õî÷ó ñêàçàòü. Ïåðâàÿ. Ó ìåíÿ åñòü è áûëî ìíîãî çíàêîìûõ ðóññêèõ, êîòîðûå ñ÷èòàëè, ÷òî åñëè ó íèõ åñòü ìèëëèàðäû, îíè îáëàäàþò áëàãîïðèÿòíîé ýòíè÷åñêîé ñïåöèôèêîé, ëåòàþò íà ñàìîëåòàõ, õîðîøî ãîâîðÿò íà àíãëèéñêîì, òî îíè òàì íå ðóññêèå, à ñâîè. Òàê âîò, îíè òàì áûëè òîòàëüíî ÷óæèìè è äî ñèõ ïîð ýòîãî íå ïîíÿëè. È âòîðîå. Äî òåõ ïîð, ïîêà íàøà äåìîêðàòèÿ íå îòâåòèò ñåáå íà ïðîñòîé âîïðîñ, ÷òî îíà õî÷åò – æèòü çäåñü â íåóäîáíîé äëÿ ñåáÿ ñòðàíå èëè èìåòü çäåñü îêêóïàöèþ è îòìå÷àòüñÿ â êîëîíèàëüíîé àäìèíèñòðàöèè. Âîò äî ýòèõ ïîð ó âñåé íàøåé äåìîêðàòèè ýòî ñîìíåíèå îáùåñòâà áóäåò âûçûâàòü ðåçêîå ïàäåíèå ðåéòèíãà è ìû íèêîãäà íå ïîëó÷èì ïîáåä äåìîêðàòè÷åñêèõ ïàðòèé, íî äàæå óìåðåííûõ ðåçóëüòàòîâ, ïîòîìó, ÷òî ñëîæèëîñü âïå÷àòëåíèå. ×òî ëó÷øå àìåðèêàíñêîé îêêóïàöèîííàÿ àäìèíèñòðàöèÿ, ÷åì íåóäîáíàÿ ñâîÿ âëàñòü. Âîò ýòî è åñòü òðàãè÷åñêàÿ ïðîáëåìà íàøåé äåìîêðàòèè. Äî òåõ ïîð, ïîêà íàøà äåìîêðàòèÿ âñåðüåç, íå íà óðîâíå ïèàðà, à âñåðüåç, íå íàó÷èòñÿ áûòü ïàòðèîòè÷íîé, ó íàñ äåìîêðàòèè íå áóäåò. Ýòî ñåé÷àñ êëþ÷åâîé âîïðîñ. Ìû íèêîãäà íå äîáüåìñÿ â Ðîññèè äåìîêðàòèè ñ îêêóïàöèîííûì ëèöîì.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Âîò âèäèòå, âû íå õîòåëè âûñòóïàòü â ðîëè àäâîêàòà Â. Ïóòèíà, à ïîëó÷àåòñÿ.

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: À ÿ õîòü îäíî ñëîâî ïðî íåãî ñêàçàë? ß ýòî ãîâîðèë åùå 10 ëåò íàçàä, êîãäà íå áûëî íèêàêîãî Ïóòèíà. È ðàçâå ÿ áûë íåïðàâ? ß ãîâîðèë, ÷òî ýòî áóäåò Âåéìàðñêàÿ øòó÷êà, ÷òî ýòà äåìîêðàòèÿ áóäåò äèñêðåäèöèîííàÿ. Âû íå ñëûøàëè ñëîâà Åëüöèíà, êîãäà åãî ñïðîñèëè, çíàë ëè îí, ÷òî Ãàéäàð – ýòî êàìèêàäçå. Îí ãîâîðèë: «Êîíå÷íî!» «À âû åìó îá ýòîì ñêàçàëè?» «Çà÷åì? Îí æå äîëæåí áûë ðàáîòàòü». Âû íå ïî÷óâñòâîâàëè òî, ÷òî ñëîâî äåìîêðàòèÿ íà÷èíàþò îòîæäåñòâëÿòü ñî ñëîâîì «äåðüìîêðàòèÿ». Ìû è äàëüøå áóäåì òàê æèòü?

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Ìíå áû õîòåëîñü ïîñëåäíèå 9 ìèíóò íàøåé ïðîãðàììû âåðíóòüñÿ ê îáðàçó Ïóòèíà.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Ê èìèäæó íà Çàïàäå.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Âñå ïðàâèëüíî, íî ýòî òåìà äðóãîé íåìíîæêî ïåðåäà÷è.

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Íà ñàìîì äåëå – ýòî îäíà è òà æå òåìà.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: ß õîòåëà áû ñêàçàòü, ÷òî íå ñòîèò íåäîîöåíèâàòü ñòåïåíü âëèÿíèÿ ìåäèà, ïîòîìó, ÷òî, ïîíÿòíî, ÷òî 99,9 ïðîöåíòîâ íàñåëåíèÿ íèêîãäà â ãëàçà íå âèäåëè ðîññèéñêîãî ïðåçèäåíòà æèâüåì. Âñþ èíôîðìàöèþ î í¸ì ïîëó÷àþò èç ìåäèà. Ýòî ñîâåðøåííî íå ñåêðåò. Åñëè ìû ïðîàíàëèçèðóåì ìåäèà òåõ ñòðàí, î êîòîðûõ ìû ãîâîðèì, òàì êàê-òî âñ¸ ïëîõî.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Òàì õóæå, ÷åì îíè äóìàþò.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Èíîãäà ïðîñòî îòâðàòèòåëüíî. Íå âåçäå, íî ÷àñòî. Åñëè áû, íàïðèìåð, ìû ñåáå ïîçâîëèëè, êàê òåëåêàíàë, ÷òî-òî ïîäîáíîå òîìó, ÷òî ñåáå ïîçâîëÿþò ìíîãèå äðóãèå òåëåêàíàëû, ÿ íå áóäó ñåé÷àñ íàçûâàòü, êðèêà áûëî áû!

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Ìû ñåáå â ïîñëåäíåå âðåìÿ âîîáùå íè÷åãî íå ïîçâîëÿåì íà òåëåâèäåíèè.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: ß íå èìåþ ââèäó! ß èìåþ ââèäó òåëåêàíàëû íå ðîññèéñêèå. Êðèêîâ áûëî áû î òîì, ÷òî ýòî ÷óäîâèùíàÿ ïðîïàãàíäà è àíòèïðîïàãàíäà, ñòîëüêî áû! Êîãäà ñìîòðèøü ðåïîðòàæè íà íåêîòîðûõ òåëåêàíàëàõ è âèäèøü, ÷òî ëþäè, îòñòàèâàþùèå ïðèíöèïû æóðíàëèñòèêè, ïðèíöèïû ñáàëàíñèðîâàííîñòè, íàãëóõî, òîëüêî îïïîçèöèÿ â ýôèðå, èñêëþ÷èòåëüíàÿ. Íèêîãî â ýòîé ñòðàíå íåò, êòî ïîääåðæèâàåò ïðåçèäåíòà, åñëè âåðèòü ýòîìó. Òàêîå ñîçäàåòñÿ âïå÷àòëåíèå. Ñïëîøíûå ïðîòåñòû öåëûìè äíÿìè â Ðîññèè è ïðî÷åå, ïðî÷åå. Ýòî æå ìåäèà.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Áûâàþò ëåâûå êàíàëû è ïðàâûå êàíàëû.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: ß ãîâîðþ, êîíå÷íî, íå îáî âñåõ. ß ãîâîðþ îá îáùåé ìàññå, î êðèòè÷åñêîé ìàññå, êîòîðàÿ ôîðìèðóåò êðèòè÷åñêîå ìíåíèå. Ìåíÿ ïîòðÿñ îäèí ôàêò íåäàâíî. Ìû ïðîâîäèëè ôîêóñ-ãðóïï â ðàçíûõ ñòðàíàõ ïî ïîâîäó íàñ, "Russia Today", êàê íàñ ñìîòðÿò, ÷åãî îò íàñ õîòÿò è ïðî÷åå. È ìåíÿ ïîòðÿñëè ðåçóëüòàòû â Ïîëüøå, ôîêóñ-ãðóïïû â Ïîëüøå îòìåòèëè êàêèå-òî ïëþñû. Èç ìèíóñîâ îíè îòìåòèëè, ÷òî â òåõ ðåïîðòàæàõ, êîòîðûå áûëè ïðåäñòàâëåíû èì, îíè íå óâèäåëè ìàññîâûõ ïðîòåñòîâ. Êîãäà èõ ñïðîñèëè «À ïî÷åìó âû ñ÷èòàåòå, ÷òî îíè äîëæíû áûòü?», îíè ñêàçàëè: «Ïîòîìó, ÷òî â Ðîññèè åæåäíåâíî ïðîèñõîäÿò ìàññîâûå, äåñÿòêîòûñÿ÷íûå àêöèè ïðîòåñòà. Ïðîñòî ðîññèéñêîå òåëåâèäåíèå ýòî íå ïîêàçûâàåò». Âîò âàì ìíåíèå ñòðàíû. Ïîòîìó, ÷òî ýòî òàê ïðåïîäíîñèòñÿ èõ ÑÌÈ.

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Åñëè ìû ãîâîðèì î ìàññ-ìåäèà, òî ó íàñ åñòü äâå êðàéíîñòè. Ïåðâàÿ êðàéíîñòü – ñêàçàòü, ÷òî ìàññ-ìåäèà ýòî è åñòü ìàññ-ìåäèà, à âòîðàÿ – òåîðèÿ çàãîâîðà. Äàâàéòå äîãîâîðèìñÿ, ÷òî èñòèíà ïîñåðåäèíå.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Äàâàéòå.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Äåâî÷êè! Äàâàéòå íå áóäåì õîðîì. Íåò, íåò, íåò, ýòî íàøå òåëåâèäåíèå ñàìî âèíîâàòî è èç-çà ýòîãî çàïàäíûå òàê ñåáÿ âåäóò.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Êðîìå òîãî, êàê âåäåò ñåáÿ òåëåâèäåíèå, åñòü åùå Â. Ïóòèí, êîòîðûé ãîâîðèò òî, ÷òî îí ãîâîðèò. Âîò íåäàâíî, íà äíÿõ, ÷òî-òî òàêîå îí ñêàçàë ïðî Ãîñäåïàðòàìåíò è îíè ðåàãèðóþò òàê, êàê îíè ðåàãèðóþò. À êàê îíè åùå ìîãóò ðåàãèðîâàòü? Ñêàçàòü «Áðàâî, áèñ!?»

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: À Çàïàä ìîæåò áûòü íåïðàâ?

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Íî íå â èõ ñîáñòâåííûõ ãëàçàõ! À çà÷åì èì â ñîáñòâåííûõ ãëàçàõ áûòü íåïðàâûì?

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Ýòî íå çíà÷èò, ÷òî, åñëè îí Çàïàä – îí âñåãäà íåïðàâ! Íî êîãäà-íèáóäü îí ìîæåò áûòü íåïðàâ.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: : Ýòî âû ãîâîðèòå ïðî íàñ. Íî åñëè ìû áåðåì çàïàäíûé àìåðèêàíñêèé êàíàë, êîòîðûé ðàññêàçûâàåò àìåðèêàíñêîé àóäèòîðèè ïðî ïëîõîãî ïðåçèäåíòà Â. Ïóòèíà. Êàê îí ìîæåò áûòü íåïðàâ? Îí ïðàâ.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Íå áûâàåò ïðîñòî àìåðèêàíñêîãî êàíàëà. Ëþäè, ñóäÿ ïî èññëåäîâàíèÿì òîãî, êàêîé ìåäèà ñìîòðÿò è ïîòðåáëÿþò æèòåëè Åâðîïû è Àìåðèêè, ëþäè ñ îïðåäåëåííûìè ïîëèòè÷åñêèìè âçãëÿäàìè ïîêóïàþò ãàçåòû ñ îïðåäåëåííûìè ïîëèòè÷åñêèìè âçãëÿäàìè. Ëþäè, êîòîðûå ãîëîñóþò çà êîíñåðâàòîðîâ, íå ïîêóïàþò ãàçåòû ëåéáîðèñòîâ.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Â îáùåì, èäåì â Èíòåðíåò è ñìîòðèì ñàéòû.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Íàçîâèòå ìíå ãàçåòó, êîòîðàÿ ñèñòåìàòè÷åñêè ðàññêàçûâàëà ÷òî-íèáóäü õîðîøåå î Ðîññèè è Ïóòèíå?

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: ×òî çà ïîäõîä òàêîé, Ìàðãàðèòà?

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Àíòèðóññêèé êîíñåíñóñ äâóõïàðòèéíûé. «Àìåðèêàí èíòåðåñò» [àíãë. American Interest – Àìåðèêàíñêèé èíòåðåñ] ñîçäàí ñïåöèàëüíî, ÷òîáû ýòî âûðàæàòü, âîçãëàâëÿåò åãî ã-í Áæåçèíñêèé, åñòü ìíåíèå ýëèòû è õîðîøàÿ Ðîññèÿ – ýòî äîõëàÿ Ðîññèÿ.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Ìíå õîòåëîñü áû ïîñëåäíèå 4 ìèíóòû ïîñâÿòèòü îïðîñó «Ýõî Ìîñêâû». Ìû òóò òàê âñå âûâåðíóëè, íî òå ëþäè, êîòîðûå íàñ ñëóøàþò â ýòîò ìîìåíò, îíè ÷òî-òî òàêîå ïèñàëè. À ñïðîñèëè ìû ó íèõ, êàê íà âàø âçãëÿä ëþäè â Åâðîïå è Àìåðèêå âîñïðèíèìàþò Ïóòèíà? Êàê âû ýòî âèäèòå? ×òî ëþäè îòâå÷àëè?

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Åñëè ðàçäåëèòü âñå îòâåòû íà äâå ãðóïïû – îí èì ñêîðåå íðàâèòñÿ èëè íå íðàâèòñÿ..

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Êàê âû äóìàåòå, íàø ïðåçèäåíò òàì íðàâèòñÿ èëè íå íðàâèòñÿ? Ýòî íå íàó÷íî, ýòî ïî îùóùåíèÿì.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: 15 ïðîöåíòîâ ðàäèîñëóøàòåëåé «Ýõî Ìîñêâû» ñ÷èòàþò, ÷òî íðàâèòñÿ, à 66 ïðîöåíòîâ ñ÷èòàþò, ÷òî ñêîðåå íå íðàâèòñÿ. Òåïåðü äàâàéòå ðàçáåðåìñÿ.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Åùå, ïðîñòè, 18 ïðîöåíòîâ – äîâîëüíî áîëüøîå êîëè÷åñòâî ëþäåé. Ìû çäåñü çàáàöàëè åùå îäèí âàðèàíò îòâåòà – «äóìàþ, îí èì ïðîñòî íå èíòåðåñåí». 18 ïðîöåíòîâ òàê ñ÷èòàþò.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: È òîëüêî 2 ïðîöåíòà çàòðóäíèëèñü îòâåòèòü. Åñëè íðàâèòñÿ, òî ïî÷åìó? Îí èì ñêîðåå íðàâèòñÿ, ïîòîìó, ÷òî âî âðåìåíà Ïóòèíà Ðîññèÿ ïîäíèìàåòñÿ ñ êîëåí è îíè íå ìîãóò ýòîãî íå çàìå÷àòü, - òàê ñ÷èòàþò òîëüêî 3 ïðîöåíòà, ÷òî èìåííî ïîýòîìó Ïóòèí èì íðàâèòñÿ. Îí èì ñêîðåå íðàâèòñÿ, ïîòîìó, ÷òî âûãëÿäèò äîâîëüíî íåïëîõî íà ôîíå Áóøà.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Îáñóäèëè.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: 5 ïðîöåíòîâ. Ýòî, ñóäÿ ïî äàííûì, ÿâëÿåòñÿ íåïðàâäîé. 7 ïðîöåíòîâ – îí èì ñêîðåå íðàâèòñÿ, ïîòîìó, ÷òî âåäåò ñåáÿ ÿðêî è íåïîñðåäñòâåííî, îáëàäàåò õàðèçìîé.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Øîóìåíñòâî, î êîòîðîì ãîâîðèëè âíà÷àëå áåñåäû.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: Òå âîïðîñû, êîòîðûå âû äî ýòîãî öèòèðîâàëè, òàêèå æå ðåïðåçåíòàòèâíûå èëè íåò?

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Íåò, îíè ðåïðåçåíòàòèâíûå è èõ ïðîâîäÿò íå ÑÌÈ, à ìåæäóíàðîäíûå èññëåäîâàòåëüñêèå êîìïàíèè.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: À ìû çäåñü äóðàêà âàëÿåì.

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Ïî÷åìó? Âû íàöèîíàëüíûé êàíàë, âû íå ìîæåòå âàëÿòü äóðàêà è âàøè öèôðû çàñëóæèâàþò äîâåðèÿ. Äàâàéòå èõ ïðîàíàëèçèðóåòå.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Ýòî àóäèòîðèÿ «Ýõî Ìîñêâû». 66 ïðîöåíòîâ, êòî äóìàåò, ÷òî Ïóòèí, ñêîðåå, çàïàäíîìó ñîîáùåñòâó íå íðàâèòñÿ. Ïî÷åìó?

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Äîâîëüíî çàáàâíî. Îí èì íå íðàâèòñÿ. Ïîòîìó, ÷òî â íèõ ãëàçàõ Ïóòèí óñòóïàåò Ãîðáà÷åâó è Åëüöèíó. Êàê ìû âûÿñíèëè, ýòî ÿâëÿåòñÿ ÷àñòè÷íî çàáëóæäåíèåì. Ïóòèí äîâîëüíî ñèëüíî óñòóïàåò âî âñåõ ñòðàíàõ Åâðîïû Ãîðáà÷åâó, à Åëüöèíà îí, ñêîðåå, îáãîíÿåò.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Âðåìåíè íåò, Òîíÿ.

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: 30 ïðîöåíòîâ – îí èì ñêîðåå íå íðàâèòñÿ, ïîòîìó, ÷òî çà÷àñòóþ âåäåò ñåáÿ àãðåññèâíî è íåàäåêâàòíî. È 32 ïðîöåíòà – îí èì ñêîðåå, íå íðàâèòñÿ, ïîòîìó, ÷òî ïîëèòèêà Ïóòèíà íàïîìèíàåò âðåìåíà «õîëîäíîé âîéíû».

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Ó íàñ îñòàåòñÿ…

À. ÑÀÌÑÎÍÎÂÀ: Íè÷åãî ó íàñ íå îñòàåòñÿ.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Îäíà ìèíóòà ó íàñ îñòàåòñÿ. Ìîæíî ïîïðîñèòü âàø îáùèé êîììåíòàðèé?

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: ß ïðîñòî õî÷ó ñîãëàñèòüñÿ ñî ìíîãèìè òåçèñàìè, îçâó÷åííûìè êîëëåãîé-ïîëèòîëîãîì. È õî÷ó âàñ ñïðîñèòü, à ïî÷åìó ó âàñ íå áûëî «îí èì íå íðàâèòñÿ, ïîòîìó, ÷òî Ðîññèÿ ñòàíîâèòñÿ ñèëüíåå»? Ìû öåëûé ÷àñ îáñóæäàëè èìåííî ýòî. Ðîññèÿ ñòàíîâèòñÿ ñèëüíåå è îíè áîÿòñÿ ýòîé çàâèñèìîñòè. Ýòîãî â îïðîñíèêå íå áûëî. Íó ëàäíî, Áîãà ðàäè.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Ìû äîëãî äóìàëè, ýòî â ïîçèòèâíûå èëè îáúåêòèâíûå çàñóíóòü.

Ì. ÑÈÌÎÍÜßÍ: ß íàñòàèâàþ íà òîì, ÷òî äåëà îáñòîÿò èìåííî òàê è ïåðåäàþ ñëîâî.

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Âû ñïðîñèëè òàê: «Ñêàæèòå ïîæàëóéñòà, ïî÷åìó ýòîò Èñààê íå íðàâèòñÿ Áîãó?» Îí íå íðàâèòñÿ Áîãó ïîòîìó, ÷òî îí íå åñò ýòîãî, îí íå íðàâèòñÿ… è ò.ä. Ýòî îòâåò àóäèòîðèè, î÷åíü òèïè÷íûé. Íî àóäèòîðèÿ «Ýõî Ìîñêâû» - ýòî íàøà íàöèîíàëüíàÿ àóäèòîðèÿ è ìû äîëæíû ñ÷èòàòüñÿ ñ íåþ íè÷óòü íå ìåíüøå, ÷åì ñ ëþáîé äðóãîé, íî òî, ÷òî ýòî îöåíêè àáñîëþòíî òèïè÷íûé ñïåêòð îòâåòîâ – 100-ïðîöåíòíî.

Ì. ÌÀÉÅÐÑ: Ïîíÿòíî. Õîðîøî ýòî èëè ïëîõî, ñóäèòü âàì, óâàæàåìûå ðàäèîñëóøàòåëè. ß áëàãîäàðþ íàøèõ ãîñòåé. Ýòî Ìàðãàðèòà Ñèìîíüÿí - ãëàâíûé ðåäàêòîð òåëåêàíàëà "Russia Today" è Ñåðãåé Êóðãèíÿí - ïîëèòîëîã, ïðåçèäåíò ìåæäóíàðîäíîãî îáùåñòâåííîãî ôîíäà "Ýêñïåðèìåíòàëüíûé òâîð÷åñêèé öåíòð". Ñïàñèáî.

Ñ. ÊÓÐÃÈÍßÍ: Ñïàñèáî.

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http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/personoftheyear/article/0,28804,1690753_1690757_1696150,00.html
Choosing Order Before Freedom
By RICHARD STENGEL

In a year when Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize and green became the new red, white and blue; when the combat in Iraq showed signs of cooling but Baghdad's politicians showed no signs of statesmanship; when China, the rising superpower, juggled its pride in hosting next summer's Olympic Games with its embarrassment at shipping toxic toys around the world; and when J.K. Rowling set millions of minds and hearts on fire with the final volume of her 17-year saga—one nation that had fallen off our mental map, led by one steely and determined man, emerged as a critical linchpin of the 21st century.
Russia lives in history—and history lives in Russia. Throughout much of the 20th century, the Soviet Union cast an ominous shadow over the world. It was the U.S.'s dark twin. But after the fall of the Berlin Wall, Russia receded from the American consciousness as we became mired in our own polarized politics. And it lost its place in the great game of geopolitics, its significance dwarfed not just by the U.S. but also by the rising giants of China and India. That view was always naive. Russia is central to our world—and the new world that is being born. It is the largest country on earth; it shares a 2,600-mile (4,200 km) border with China; it has a significant and restive Islamic population; it has the world's largest stockpile of weapons of mass destruction and a lethal nuclear arsenal; it is the world's second largest oil producer after Saudi Arabia; and it is an indispensable player in whatever happens in the Middle East. For all these reasons, if Russia fails, all bets are off for the 21st century. And if Russia succeeds as a nation-state in the family of nations, it will owe much of that success to one man, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.

No one would label Putin a child of destiny. The only surviving son of a Leningrad factory worker, he was born after what the Russians call the Great Patriotic War, in which they lost more than 26 million people. The only evidence that fate played a part in Putin's story comes from his grandfather's job: he cooked for Joseph Stalin, the dictator who inflicted ungodly terrors on his nation.

When this intense and brooding KGB agent took over as President of Russia in 2000, he found a country on the verge of becoming a failed state. With dauntless persistence, a sharp vision of what Russia should become and a sense that he embodied the spirit of Mother Russia, Putin has put his country back on the map. And he intends to redraw it himself. Though he will step down as Russia's President in March, he will continue to lead his country as its Prime Minister and attempt to transform it into a new kind of nation, beholden to neither East nor West.

TIME's Person of the Year is not and never has been an honor. It is not an endorsement. It is not a popularity contest. At its best, it is a clear-eyed recognition of the world as it is and of the most powerful individuals and forces shaping that world—for better or for worse. It is ultimately about leadership—bold, earth-changing leadership. Putin is not a boy scout. He is not a democrat in any way that the West would define it. He is not a paragon of free speech. He stands, above all, for stability—stability before freedom, stability before choice, stability in a country that has hardly seen it for a hundred years. Whether he becomes more like the man for whom his grandfather prepared blinis—who himself was twice TIME's Person of the Year—or like Peter the Great, the historical figure he most admires; whether he proves to be a reformer or an autocrat who takes Russia back to an era of repression—this we will know only over the next decade. At significant cost to the principles and ideas that free nations prize, he has performed an extraordinary feat of leadership in imposing stability on a nation that has rarely known it and brought Russia back to the table of world power. For that reason, Vladimir Putin is TIME's 2007 Person of the Year.

No one is born with a stare like Vladimir Putin's. The Russian President's pale blue eyes are so cool, so devoid of emotion that the stare must have begun as an affect, the gesture of someone who understood that power might be achieved by the suppression of ordinary needs, like blinking. The affect is now seamless, which makes talking to the Russian President not just exhausting but often chilling. It's a gaze that says, I'm in charge.
At his dacha outside Moscow, the Russian President spoke candidly about corruption, religion and how he thinks the war in Iraq should end
This may explain why there is so little visible security at Putin's dacha, Novo-Ogarevo, the grand Russian presidential retreat set inside a birch- and fir-forested compound west of Moscow. To get there from the capital requires a 25-minute drive through the soul of modern Russia, past decrepit Soviet-era apartment blocks, the mashed-up French Tudor-villa McMansions of the new oligarchs and a shopping mall that boasts not just the routine spoils of affluence like Prada and Gucci but Lamborghinis and Ferraris too.

When you arrive at the dacha's faux-neoclassical gate, you have to leave your car and hop into one of the Kremlin's vehicles that slowly wind their way through a silent forest of snow-tipped firs. Aides warn you not to stray, lest you tempt the snipers positioned in the shadows around the compound. This is where Putin, 55, works. (He lives with his wife and two twentysomething daughters in another mansion deeper in the woods.) The rooms feel vast, newly redone and mostly empty. As we prepare to enter his spacious but spartan office, out walk some of Russia's most powerful men: Putin's chief of staff, his ideologist, the speaker of parliament—all of them wearing expensive bespoke suits and carrying sleek black briefcases. Putin, who rarely meets with the foreign press, then gives us 3 1/2 hours of his time, first in a formal interview in his office and then upstairs over an elaborate dinner of lobster-and-shiitake-mushroom salad, "crab fingers with hot sauce" and impressive vintages of Puligny-Montrachet and a Chilean Cabernet.

Vladimir Putin gives a first impression of contained power: he is compact and moves stiffly but efficiently. He is fit, thanks to years spent honing his black-belt judo skills and, these days, early-morning swims of an hour or more. And while he is diminutive—5 ft. 6 in. (about 1.7 m) seems a reasonable guess—he projects steely confidence and strength. Putin is unmistakably Russian, with chiseled facial features and those penetrating eyes. Charm is not part of his presentation of self—he makes no effort to be ingratiating. One senses that he pays constant obeisance to a determined inner discipline. The successor to the boozy and ultimately tragic Boris Yeltsin, Putin is temperate, sipping his wine only when the protocol of toasts and greetings requires it; mostly he just twirls the Montrachet in his glass. He eats little, though he twitchily picks the crusts off the bread rolls on his plate.

Putin grudgingly reveals a few personal details between intermittent bites of food: He relaxes, he says, by listening to classical composers like Brahms, Mozart, Tchaikovsky. His favorite Beatles song is Yesterday. He has never sent an e-mail in his life. And while he grew up in an officially atheist country, he is a believer and often reads from a Bible that he keeps on his state plane. He is impatient to the point of rudeness with small talk, and he is in complete control of his own message.

He is clear about Russia's role in the world. He is passionate in his belief that the dissolution of the Soviet Union was a tragedy, particularly since overnight it stranded 25 million ethnic Russians in "foreign" lands. But he says he has no intention of trying to rebuild the U.S.S.R. or re-establish military or political blocs. And he praises his predecessors Yeltsin and Mikhail Gorbachev for destroying a system that had lost the people's support. "I'm not sure I could have had the guts to do that myself," he tells us. Putin is, above all, a pragmatist, and has cobbled together a system—not unlike China's—that embraces the free market (albeit with a heavy dose of corruption) but relies on a strong state hand to keep order.

Like President George W. Bush, he sees terrorism as one of the most profound threats of the new century, but he is wary of labeling it Islamic. "Radicals," he says, "can be found in any environment." Putin reveals that Russian intelligence recently uncovered a "specific" terrorist threat against both Russia and the U.S. and that he spoke by phone with Bush about it.

What gets Putin agitated—and he was frequently agitated during our talk—is his perception that Americans are out to interfere in Russia's affairs. He says he wants Russia and America to be partners but feels the U.S. treats Russia like the uninvited guest at a party. "We want to be a friend of America," he says. "Sometimes we get the impression that America does not need friends" but only "auxiliary subjects to command." Asked if he'd like to correct any American misconceptions about Russia, Putin leans forward and says, "I don't believe these are misconceptions. I think this is a purposeful attempt by some to create an image of Russia based on which one could influence our internal and foreign policies. This is the reason why everybody is made to believe...[Russians] are a little bit savage still or they just climbed down from the trees, you know, and probably need to have...the dirt washed out of their beards and hair." The veins on his forehead seem ready to pop.

Elected Emperor

Putin has said that next spring, at the end of his second term as President, he will assume the nominally lesser role of Prime Minister. In fact, having nominated his loyal former chief of staff (and current Deputy Prime Minister) Dmitri Medvedev to succeed him as President, Putin will surely remain the supreme leader, master of Russia's destiny, which will allow him to complete the job he started. In his eight years as President, he has guided his nation through a remarkable transformation. He has restored stability and a sense of pride among citizens who, after years of Soviet stagnation, rode the heartbreaking roller coaster of raised and dashed expectations when Gorbachev and then Yeltsin were in charge. A basket case in the 1990s, Russia's economy has grown an average of 7% a year for the past five years. The country has paid off a foreign debt that once neared $200 billion. Russia's rich have gotten richer, often obscenely so. But the poor are doing better too: workers' salaries have more than doubled since 2003. True, this is partly a result of oil at $90 a barrel, and oil is a commodity Russia has in large supply. But Putin has deftly managed the windfall and spread the wealth enough so that people feel hopeful.

Russia's revival is changing the course of the modern world. After decades of slumbering underachievement, the Bear is back. Its billionaires now play on the global stage, buying up property, sports franchises, places at élite schools. Moscow exerts international influence not just with arms but also with a new arsenal of weapons: oil, gas, timber. On global issues, it offers alternatives to America's waning influence, helping broker deals in North Korea, the Middle East, Iran. Russia just made its first shipment of nuclear fuel to Iran—a sign that Russia is taking the lead on that vexsome issue, particularly after the latest U.S. intelligence report suggested that the Bush Administration has been wrong about Iran's nuclear-weapons development. And Putin is far from done. The premiership is a perch that will allow him to become the longest-serving statesman among the great powers, long after such leaders as Bush and Tony Blair have faded from the scene.

But all this has a dark side. To achieve stability, Putin and his administration have dramatically curtailed freedoms. His government has shut down TV stations and newspapers, jailed businessmen whose wealth and influence challenged the Kremlin's hold on power, defanged opposition political parties and arrested those who confront his rule. Yet this grand bargain—of freedom for security—appeals to his Russian subjects, who had grown cynical over earlier regimes' promises of the magical fruits of Western-style democracy. Putin's popularity ratings are routinely around 70%. "He is emerging as an elected emperor, whom many people compare to Peter the Great," says Dimitri Simes, president of the Nixon Center and a well-connected expert on contemporary Russia.

Putin's global ambitions seem straightforward. He certainly wants a seat at the table on the big international issues. But more important, he wants free rein inside Russia, without foreign interference, to run the political system as he sees fit, to use whatever force he needs to quiet seething outlying republics, to exert influence over Russia's former Soviet neighbors. What he's given up is Yeltsin's calculation that Russia's future requires broad acceptance on the West's terms. That means that on big global issues, says Strobe Talbott, president of the Brookings Institution and former point man on Russia policy for the Clinton Administration, "sometimes Russia will be helpful to Western interests, and sometimes it will be the spoiler."

Up from the Ruins

How do Russians see Putin? For generations they have defined their leaders through political jokes. It's partly a coping mechanism, partly a glimpse into the Russian soul. In the oft told anecdotes, Leonid Brezhnev was always the dolt, Gorbachev the bumbling reformer, Yeltsin the drunk. Putin, in current punch lines, is the despot. Here's an example: Stalin's ghost appears to Putin in a dream, and Putin asks for his help running the country. Stalin says, "Round up and shoot all the democrats, and then paint the inside of the Kremlin blue." "Why blue?" Putin asks. "Ha!" says Stalin. "I knew you wouldn't ask me about the first part."

Putin himself is sardonic but humorless. In our hours together, he didn't attempt a joke, and he misread several of our attempts at playfulness. As Henry Kissinger, who has met and interacted with Russian leaders since Brezhnev, puts it, "He does not rely on personal charm. It is a combination of aloofness, considerable intelligence, strategic grasp and Russian nationalism" (see Kissinger interview).

To fully understand Putin's accomplishments and his appeal, one has to step back into the tumult of the 1990s. At the end of 1991, just a few months after Yeltsin dramatically stood on a tank outside the parliament in Moscow to denounce—and deflate—a coup attempt by hard-liners, the Soviet Union simply ceased to exist. Yeltsin took the reins in Russia and, amid great hope and pledges of help from around the world, promised to launch an era of democracy and economic freedom. I arrived in Moscow a week later, beginning a three-year stint as a Russia correspondent.

I retain three indelible images from that time. The first: the legions of Ivy League—and other Western-educated "experts" who roamed the halls of the Kremlin and the government, offering advice, all ultimately ineffective, on everything from conducting free elections to using "shock therapy" to juice the economy to privatizing state-owned assets. The second: the long lines of impoverished old women standing in the Moscow cold, selling whatever they could scrounge from their homes—a silver candleholder, perhaps, or just a pair of socks. The third, more familiar image: a discouraged and embattled Yeltsin in 1993 calling in Russian-army tanks to shell his own parliament to break a deadlock with the defiant legislature when everything he was trying to do was going wrong.

Yeltsin bombed his way out of the threat of civil war and managed to hang on to power, but Russia was left hobbled. Virtually every significant asset—oil, banks, the media—ended up in the hands of a few "oligarchs" close to the President. Corruption and crime were rampant; the cities became violent. Paychecks weren't issued; pensions were ignored. Russia in 1998 defaulted on its foreign debt. The ruble and the financial markets collapsed, and Yeltsin was a spent force. "The '90s sucked," says Stephen Sestanovich, a Columbia University professor who was the State Department's special adviser for the new Independent States of the former Soviet Union under President Bill Clinton. "Putin managed to play on the resentment that Russians everywere were feeling." Indeed, by the time Putin took over in late 1999, there was nowhere to fall but up.

Path to Power

That Russia needed fixing was acknowledged by all. But how was it that Putin got the call? What was it that lifted him to power, and to the dacha in Novo-Ogarevo?

Putin's rise continues to perplex even devoted Kremlin observers. He was born into humble circumstances in St. Petersburg in 1952. His father had fought in World War II and later labored in a train-car factory. Putin's mother, a devout Orthodox Christian, had little education and took on a series of menial jobs. The family lived in a drab fifth-floor walk-up in St. Petersburg; Putin had to step over swarms of rats occupying the entranceway on his way to school. Putin's only ancestor of note was his paternal grandfather, who had served as a cook for both Lenin and Stalin, though there's no sign that this gave his family any special status or connections.

Putin describes his younger self as a poor student and a "hooligan." Small for his age, he got roughed up by his contemporaries. So he took up sambo—a Soviet-era blend of judo and wrestling—and later just judo. From all accounts, he devoted himself to the martial art, attracted by both its physical demands and its contemplative philosophical core. "It's respect for your elders and opponents," he says in First Person, his question-and-answer memoir published in 2000. "It's not for weaklings."

It was the KGB that rescued Putin from obscurity—and turned the child into the man. Putin had begun to apply himself to schoolwork, and in 1975, during his senior year at Leningrad State University, he was approached by an impressive stranger who said, "I need to talk to you about your career assignment. I wouldn't like to specify exactly what it is yet." Putin, who had dreamed of becoming a spy, was intrigued. Within months he was being trained in counterintelligence. By the mid-1980s he was assigned to East Germany, where he worked undercover, pursuing intelligence on NATO and German politicians. He was in Dresden, not Berlin where the action was, and probably would have been only a bit player in the Le Carré version of the cold war. But when the Berlin Wall came down in 1989, so did Putin's KGB career. As angry crowds moved on the local KGB headquarters, Putin and his colleagues feverishly burned files that detailed agents' names and networks—so much paper, he recalls in the memoir, that "the furnace burst." Then he slipped into the crowd and watched as the newly liberated mobs sacked the detested building. Within two years, he left the KGB altogether.

Putin's big break was a friend's introduction to Anatoli Sobchak, the liberal mayor of St. Petersburg, who was happy to bring in an intelligent, no-nonsense outsider to help push his reformist agenda. Putin ran the office that registered businesses and promoted foreign investment. He was responsible for ensuring that President Clinton's visit to the city in 1996 went smoothly—it was the first time American officials saw Putin in action. But later that year, Sobchak, damaged by a perception of ineffectiveness and rumors of corruption, lost his re-election bid. As Putin tells us at the dacha, as a member of the losing team, he was suddenly untouchable. "Nobody would hire me there," he says.

So Putin headed to Moscow. What transpired next seemed to Kremlin watchers as unlikely as Chauncey Gardiner's unwitting rise to power in the Jerzy Kosinski novel Being There. Although Putin often says that he had no connections when he arrived in the capital in mid-1996, he had several powerful allies who landed him work in the Kremlin. He became deputy to the head of Yeltsin's general-affairs department. Within two years he was asked to head the FSB, the spy-agency successor to the disbanded KGB. Putin, in his memoir, says he received a call out of the blue asking him to head to the airport to meet Russia's Prime Minister, Sergei Kirienko. Kirienko offered congratulations. When Putin asked why, he replied, "The decree is signed. You have been appointed director of the FSB." Then, in August 1999, Putin was named Prime Minister. It's a grand title, but it doesn't come with much security: Putin was Yeltsin's fifth Prime Minister in 17 months. But Putin did far better than survive; within four months a declining Yeltsin asked Putin to take over as acting President. Putin tells us he initially declined but that Yeltsin raised it again, saying, "Don't say no." By the last day of 1999 Putin was running the country.

We ask if it had ever occurred to Putin that history would place him in such a role. "It never occurred to me," he says. "It still surprises me."

Experts generally believe that Putin won Yeltsin's endorsement because he was competent, because he wasn't part of any of the major Moscow factions competing for power and because his KGB past gave him a source of authority. But they also widely assume that he made a deal with Yeltsin and his family: in return for Yeltsin's endorsement, Putin would not pursue corruption charges against the outgoing President and his relatives, despite the rumors that surrounded the family's dealings. It's impossible to verify, but neither Yeltsin, who died this year, nor his well-connected daughter Tatyana Dyachenko was ever a subject of public investigation (though Putin quickly fired her from her position as a Kremlin image consultant). Indeed, Putin's first decree guaranteed Yeltsin and his family immunity from such probes. Putin explains things to us this way: "Mr. Yeltsin realized that I would be totally sincere and would spare no effort to fulfill my duties and would be honest and see that the interest of the country could be secured." Eight years on, one can't help seeing a parallel with the latest maneuverings in the Kremlin: just as Yeltsin rewarded Putin for his loyalty, now Putin is doing the same for his anointed successor, Medvedev. There is already a new Putin joke: Putin goes to a restaurant with Medvedev and orders a steak. The waiter asks, "And what about the vegetable?" Putin answers, "The vegetable will have steak too."

Taking Control

Putin is no vegetable. In 1999, when he assumed the role of acting President, he was a relative unknown. It was his response to a Chechen rebel incursion in the Russian republic of Dagestan in the North Caucasus that quickly set him on a path toward national glory. Alexei Gromov, who has served with Putin as press secretary since he came to power, remembers being in the room when Putin told his wife Lyudmila that he was preparing to go on a New Year's Eve trip to the war zone to meet with the troops. She was worried about his safety and went along with him. In the end, the trip may have been no more than a calculated, if risky, photo op, but it was effective. Russians met their new leader and admired his courage and energy.

The following year Putin stepped up Russia's invasion of the breakaway republic of Chechnya. Rambo-style, he promised a quick and decisive victory, reiterating his earlier pledge to defeat enemy fighters "even in the toilet." Grozny, Chechnya's capital, was all but obliterated; Russia reassumed power and installed a puppet leader. Despite heartbreaking subsequent Chechen terrorist attacks—including a 2004 assault on a school in Beslan, North Ossetia, where 339 civilians, most of them children, were killed—Russians by and large admire Putin for drawing the line in the south. Having watched Eastern Europe and the Soviet republics slip from Moscow's grip, Russians were happy to keep Chechnya—even a bombed-out Chechnya—in the fold.

To the West, meanwhile, Putin was a mystery. Russia watchers debated endlessly: Was he a pro-Western reformer? (He had worked for Sobchak.) Or a hard-liner? (He was a career KGB man.) Yet just as 9/11 helped define President Bush, so did external challenges allow Putin to grow into a leader. His first steps on the world stage were tentative. His global coming-out had occurred in Auckland at a 1999 meeting of heads of APEC (Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation) nations. Sestanovich, who was traveling with President Clinton, remembers meeting Putin at Clinton's hotel suite. "He was new on the job then," says Sestanovich, "not at all sure of himself." But Clinton was willing to work with him. Putin tells us how, at an APEC dinner at which he was feeling somewhat lost, Clinton crossed the room past other world leaders and leaned down to talk to him. "Volodya," Clinton said, using the familiar form of the name Vladimir, "I suggest we walk out together from this room." Putin rose to his feet, and the two men strolled out together. "Everyone applauded," Putin recalls. "I will remember that forever." It was Putin's only sign of softness during the 3 ½ hours we spoke.

Clinton was not the only American who found something to like about Putin. Two years later, in a line that has haunted him ever since, President Bush declared that he had looked inside Putin's soul. It was their first meeting, at a summit in Slovenia, and Bush said, "I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy...I was able to get a sense of his soul." We ask Putin to return the favor, to describe what he has sensed of the U.S. President's soul. He declines to get personal. "I have a very good personal relationship with Mr. Bush," he says. "He is a very reliable partner, a man of honor."

The terrorist attacks on 9/11 provided Putin with another defining moment. He was one of the first world leaders to offer condolences and help to President Bush. That probably led the U.S. to back off from stridently criticizing the Chechnya adventure. But the initial shared objectives between Putin and the Bush Administration did not last. Putin strongly opposed America's invasion of Iraq and established Russia as a steady voice of opposition to Bush's adventure, demanding that decisions on Iraq be made at the U.N. (where Russia, of course, has Security Council veto power). America's occupation of Iraq has affirmed Putin's sense that he was right. "If one looks at the map of the world, it's difficult to find Iraq, and one would think it rather easy to subdue such a small country," Putin tell us. "But this undertaking is enormous. Iraq is a small but very proud nation." The debacle in Iraq plays into what is perhaps Putin's most cherished foreign-policy dictum: that nations shouldn't interfere in one another's affairs. And what that really means, of course, is that no one should interfere in Russia's affairs.

Another Putin joke: Putin and Bush are fishing on the Volga River. After half an hour Bush complains, "Vladimir, I'm getting bitten like crazy by mosquitoes, but I haven't seen a single one bothering you." Putin: "They know better than that."

A Ruthless Streak

Now that Putin has solidified his grip on power, he no longer seems overly concerned with courting Western approval. Despite a chorus of disapproving clucks from the West, Putin has shackled the press, muted the opposition, jailed tycoons who don't pledge fealty. In Russia this has been a terrible time to be a democrat, a journalist, an independent businessman. Just ask Garry Kasparov. The chess grandmaster—the highest-rated player of all time—is a far cry from stereotypically dysfunctional champions like Bobby Fischer. Kasparov has a keen political mind and a lively sense of humor. For years he has fought an increasingly lonely struggle as a democratic activist facing an uncompromising state. On Nov. 24, while holding a political rally in Moscow, he was arrested on a technicality and spent five days at Moscow's Petrovka 38 jail.

A week or so after Kasparov's release, we are sitting in Moscow's Cosmos Hotel, where he is taking part in a human-rights meeting. Assembled is a ragtag group of Russian activists, and here Kasparov is a star. (Even here his two bodyguards sandwich him whenever he walks about.) Unlike many of Putin's other critics, who seem fearful of chastising their leader openly, Kasparov isn't cowed. "Putin wants to rule like Stalin but live like Abramovich," he says, referring to Roman Abramovich, the billionaire Russian oil trader who owns London's Chelsea soccer team. "Putin's system is more like Mafia than democracy."

Putin's administration has blocked democrats like Kasparov from participating effectively in politics by making it all but impossible for them to meet the entry requirements. The President, in our discussion, routinely suggests that Kasparov is a stooge of the West because he spoke to the foreign press in English after his arrest. "If you aspire to be a leader of your own country, you must speak your own language, for God's sake," he says. Kasparov recently gave up his long-shot race for President.

Dmitri Muratov also knows the difficulties of life in the Putin era. A softspoken, heavyset man whose neatly trimmed beard is turning gray, Muratov is the editor in chief of Novaya Gazeta, a Moscow newspaper, published twice a week, with a reputation for pursuing tough investigative pieces. In the past seven years, three of his journalists have been murdered; all were looking into corruption and wrongdoing. After the third murder, Muratov decided to close the 14-year-old paper to avoid putting any other journalist at risk. But his staff talked him out of it. The paper is perpetually harassed by officials around the country, but, Muratov notes with a weary smile, "we're still alive."

The last of Muratov's journalists to die, Anna Politkovskaya, was shot in the elevator of her apartment building last year on Oct. 7. Alexander Litvinenko, a former FSB officer turned government critic living in London, accused Putin of sanctioning the killing. Within weeks, Litvinenko himself was dead too, killed by radiation poisoning from a mysterious dose of polonium 210. (Britain wants to charge a former KGB officer, Andre Lugovoy, who has just been elected to Russia's parliament, with the killing. He denies it, and Russian law prevents the extradition of Russian citizens.)

Muratov, for his part, doesn't know who ordered his journalists' killings. He says only that he blames "corruption," which has flourished during Putin's eight years.

Although few Russians seem to think Putin himself is corrupt, it is commonly believed that he is surrounded by business and political heavies who are amassing millions in payoffs. Indeed, if anything can bring him down, it may well be graft. As long as living standards rise, people are more likely to forgive the perception that officials are getting obscenely rich by demanding illicit payoffs. But if the economy stops growing—if the price of oil falls back to earth—Putin will face a challenge, whether from the masses in the streets or from military and civilian challengers.

One insider, who asked that his identity be protected, spelled out for us just one example of how the game is played, detailing the payments a prospective regional governor has to make to political bagmen in Moscow in order to get the Kremlin's nod for the post. For wealthier regions, such an endorsement can cost as much as $20 million, money that the politicians raise quietly from corporate "sponsors" that expect special treatment in return. The amount of money flowing to kingmakers in the Kremlin, in other words, is staggering.

When we ask about the view that he is surrounded by corrupt officials, Putin turns testy: "If you are so confident, then I presume you know the names and the systems and the tools...Write to us." As for Politkovskaya, who had been investigating policy failures and human-rights abuses in Chechnya when she was killed—and who authored the 2004 book Putin's Russia: Life in a Failing Democracy—Putin says he believes she was murdered by a provocateur to cast suspicion on his administration.

For all the attention the outside world pays to such cases, formal polls make it clear that within Russia, Putin's critics are in the minority. For every journalist distressed at the rollback of freedoms, there are scores of Russians who quietly applaud Putin's efforts to reassert stability. Once a year, when Putin takes phone calls from citizens around the country, tens of thousands of people try to get through. Listening to the calls, however screened and rehearsed they may be, one is struck by the ardor of the appeals to the President to get things done and by the broad range of information at Putin's fingertips. (A woman who lives on an island off Vladivostok complained about the local ferry service. Putin told her a bridge will soon be built to link the island to the mainland.)

Certainly life in Russia today is better than it has been for years. The stores are stocked with goods. The once worthless ruble is a genuine currency, strengthening against the dollar these days. Crime persists, but the cities are not as rough as in previous years.

And then there are the President's loudest and most visible defenders: members of Nashi (Ours, in Russian), the cultish pro-Putin youth movement. In mid-December, about 20,000 of the Nashi faithful from all over Russia gathered for a rally by the Kremlin walls to celebrate the recent victory of Putin's United Russia Party in elections to the parliament. From the stage, speakers, rock singers and rappers declared their patriotism and love for the President. A banner read, into the future with putin! Someone introduced Dasha, a 10-year-old member of Mishki (Bear Cubs), the new children's division of Nashi. "I love Russia," said Dasha. "I love teddy bears. I love Putin. Together we will win!"

I went to Nashi's Moscow headquarters a few days later and met with Lyubov Serikova, a pretty 22-year-old redhead from Russia's Chuvash Republic who is a rising star in the organization. She was thrilled with the recent election and credited Nashi with helping thwart an unnamed enemy's attempt to launch an "orange revolution" in Russia. Her world seemed conspiratorial, and she echoed Putin's own statements: those who run against the President were trying to bring the country down. Putin, she said, "has made Russia a leading country in just a few years."

When we finish talking, I take a look at an official Nashi poster hanging outside her office, which excoriates U.S. policies. It's reminiscent of Soviet-era propaganda with its non sequitur acceleration of hysteria: "Tomorrow there will be war in Iran. The day after tomorrow Russia will be governed externally!" But this is no fringe group. Putin frequently visits Nashi's training camps and meets with its leaders. And from there he sometimes launches anti-Western tirades, including a recent blast at London authorities who are demanding the extradition of the suspected killer of Litvinenko.

Putin's mission is not to win over the West. It is to restore to Russians a sense of their nation's greatness, something they have not known for years. This is not idle dreaming. When historians talk about Putin's place in Russian history, they draw parallels with Stalin or the Tsars. Putin, one can't stress enough, is not a Stalin. There are no mass purges in Russia today, no broad climate of terror. But Putin is reconstituting a strong state, and anyone who stands in his way will pay for it. "Putin has returned to the mechanism of one-man rule," says Talbott of the Brookings Institution. "Yet it's a new kind of state, with elements that are contemporary and elements from the past."

And there's plenty that could go wrong. The depth of corruption, the pockets of militant unrest, the ever present vulnerability of the economy to swings in commodity prices—all this threatens to unravel the gains that have been made. But Putin has played his own hand well. As Prime Minister, he is set to see out the rest of the drama of Russia's re-emergence. And almost no one in Russia is in a position to stop him. If he succeeds, Russia will become a political competitor to the U.S. and to rising nations like China and India. It will be one of the great powers of the new world.

Back at the dacha, with snow falling lightly outside, our dinner and discussion continue. Putin has been irritable throughout, a grudging host. Suddenly, at 10 o'clock, he stands and abruptly ends the evening. "We've finished eating, there's nothing more on the table, so let's call it a day," he declares. Actually, the main course (choice of sturgeon or veal) and dessert ("bird's milk" cake)—lovingly printed in gold ink on the prepared menu cards—haven't yet been served. The Russian President's brusqueness is jarring. Have our questions angered him? Bored him? Does he have another appointment? It's not clear. "Bye bye," says Putin—in English—as he walks briskly out of the room. The work of rebuilding Russia, apparently, is never done.

—with reporting by Yuri Zarakhovich and Dario Thuburn/Moscow

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"×åëîâåê ãîäà" îáðàñòàåò ìèôàìè

Îáçîð ïðåññû

 ïîíåäåëüíèê ìèðîâûå ÑÌÈ ïðîäîëæàþò êîììåíòèðîâàòü ïðèñóæäåíèå æóðíàëîì Time çâàíèÿ "×åëîâåê ãîäà – 2007" ðîññèéñêîìó ïðåçèäåíòó è ñëóõè îá îãðîìíîì áîãàòñòâå Ïóòèíà. Ñ ðåçêîé êðèòèêîé âûñòóïàåò Ãàððè Êàñïàðîâ, ñîìíåíèÿìè î ñòàáèëüíîñòè è ñâîáîäå â Ðîññèè äåëÿòñÿ äðóãèå ýêñïåðòû.

The Wall Street Journal ïóáëèêóåò ìàòåðèàë ñâîåãî ïîñòîÿííîãî àâòîðà – ýêñ-÷åìïèîíà ìèðà ïî øàõìàòàì è ëèäåðà îïïîçèöèîííîé êîàëèöèè "Äðóãàÿ Ðîññèÿ" Ãàððè Êàñïàðîâà. Ñ òåõ ñàìûõ ïîð, êàê ïðåçèäåíò Âëàäèìèð Ïóòèí âîñåìü ëåò íàçàä âñòóïèë â äîëæíîñòü, ïîëèòè÷åñêîå è ìåäèéíîå ðóêîâîäñòâî íà Çàïàäå òðàòèò ìàññó âðåìåíè è ñèë, ïûòàÿñü âçãëÿíóòü â ïîçèòèâíîì ñâåòå íà ñòðåìèòåëüíîå îòêàòûâàíèå Ðîññèè îò äåìîêðàòèè, ïèøåò Êàñïàðîâ. Ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ó ñêàòûâàíèÿ Ðîññèè ê äèêòàòóðå íåò ïîëîæèòåëüíûõ ñòîðîí. Àíãëèéñêàÿ ïîãîâîðêà "Ó âñÿêîé òó÷è åñòü ñâîÿ ñåðåáðÿíàÿ ïîäêëàäêà" òóò íåïðèìåíèìà. Åñëè "ïîäêëàäêà" è åñòü, òî îíà áîëüøå ïîõîæà íà æåëåçíóþ.

Êàñïàðîâ êîììåíòèðóåò âûñêàçûâàíèå ãîññåêðåòàðÿ ÑØÀ Êîíäîëèçû Ðàéñ, çàòðîíóâøåé òåìó "Ìåäâåäåâ êàê ñëåäóþùèé ïðåçèäåíò".  îôèöèàëüíîé ñòåíîãðàììå ñêàçàíî: "Ãîññåêðåòàðü Ðàéñ: "Íó, ÿ òàê ïîäîçðåâàþ, â ìàðòå îíè âñå-òàêè ïðîâåäóò âûáîðû" (Ñìåõ)". Âîçìîæíî, ïèøåò ïðîòèâíèê ïóòèíñêîãî ðåæèìà, ìîå ÷óâñòâî þìîðà ïðèòóïèëîñü çà ïÿòü ñóòîê, êîòîðûå ÿ â íîÿáðå ïðîâåë â ìîñêîâñêîé òþðüìå çà òî, ÷òî ïðîòåñòîâàë ïðîòèâ ýòèõ ôèêòèâíûõ âûáîðîâ. Èëè, âîçìîæíî, äåëî â òîì, ÷òî ÿ ÷èòàþ î ïîñòîÿííûõ ïðåñëåäîâàíèÿõ ìîèõ òîâàðèùåé, ïîëèòè÷åñêèõ àêòèâèñòîâ, ïî âñåé ñòðàíå. Ìàäàì Ãîññåêðåòàðü çàòåì îäîáðèòåëüíî âûñêàçàëàñü î Ìåäâåäåâå, èçîáðàçèâ âñå òàê, ñëîâíî íåäåìîêðàòè÷åñêèé õàðàêòåð åãî îòáîðà – ëèøü ìåëî÷ü, âûçûâàþùàÿ ëåãêóþ äîñàäó. Ïîñëåäíèé ýëåìåíò äåìîêðàòèè, ñîõðàíèâøèéñÿ â Ðîññèè, – ïðîöåäóðà ïåðåäà÷è âëàñòè – áóäåò óíè÷òîæåí. Áóäóò ëè Ïóòèíà è åãî ïðååìíèêà è ïîñëå ýòîãî âñòðå÷àòü ñ ðàñïðîñòåðòûìè îáúÿòèÿìè â êëóáå âåäóùèõ äåìîêðàòè÷åñêèõ ñòðàí? – çàäàåòñÿ âîïðîñîì Êàñïàðîâ, êîòîðûå ðàòóåò çà èñêëþ÷åíèå Ðîññèè èç "áîëüøîé âîñüìåðêè".

Ïî ïîâîäó ïðèñóæäåíèÿ Ïóòèíó çâàíèÿ "×åëîâåê ãîäà" Êàñïàðîâ ïèøåò ñëåäóþùåå. Êîíå÷íî, æóðíàë Time ïðåäïðèíÿë çàìåòíûå óñèëèÿ, ÷òîáû ïîÿñíèòü: ïðèñâîåíèå Ïóòèíó äàííîãî çâàíèÿ – ýòî "íå çíàê îäîáðåíèÿ", åãî óäîñòàèâàåòñÿ ÷åëîâåê, êîòîðûé äàë áîëüøå âñåãî èíôîðìàöèîííûõ ïîâîäîâ, "èçìåíÿÿ ìèð ê ëó÷øåìó èëè ê õóäøåìó". Òåì íå ìåíåå, â ñòàòüå Ïóòèíà ïîõâàëèëè çà òî, ÷òî îí âåðíóë ñâîåé ñòðàíå âåäóùèå ïîçèöèè íà ìåæäóíàðîäíîé àðåíå, ðàññåÿë "àíàðõèþ" è âîçðîäèë ÷óâñòâî ãîðäîñòè ñâîåé íàöèåé. Òî æå ñàìîå ìîæíî áûëî áû ñêàçàòü îá Àäîëüôå Ãèòëåðå â 1938 ãîäó, êîãäà ïðèøåë åãî ÷åðåä ñòàòü "×åëîâåêîì ãîäà" æóðíàëà Time. "Ôàøèçì, – ïèñàë òîãäà Time, – îáíàðóæèë, ÷òî ñâîáîäà ïðåññû, ñëîâà, ñîáðàíèé – ýòî ïîòåíöèàëüíàÿ óãðîçà åãî ñîáñòâåííîé áåçîïàñíîñòè". Ýòè ñëîâà îäèíàêîâî ïðèìåíèìû è ê çèìå íûíåøíåãî ãîäà â Ðîññèè, ïîëàãàåò àâòîð.

Çàäóìàåìñÿ î òîì, ïðîäîëæàåò îí, êîãäà èìåííî æóðíàë îáúÿâèë î ñâîåì âûáîðå – ñðàçó ïîñëå ôèêòèâíûõ ïàðëàìåíòñêèõ âûáîðîâ, êîòîðûå îáîãàòèëè ïîñëóæíîé ñïèñîê Ïóòèíà â îáëàñòè èñêîðåíåíèÿ äåìîêðàòèè âî âñåé Ðîññèè. Î ñòàòüå Time êðåìëåâñêàÿ ïðîïàãàíäà áóäåò êðè÷àòü êàê î çíàêå îäîáðåíèÿ ïîëèòèêè Ïóòèíà. Ðÿäîâûì ëþäÿì ñêàæóò, ÷òî äàæå Àìåðèêà, êîòîðóþ Êðåìëü ïîñòîÿííî ïðîêëèíàåò êàê âðàãà, âûíóæäåíà ïðèçíàòü âåëè÷èå ïðåçèäåíòà. Íà ìåæäóíàðîäíîé àðåíå âñå áóäóò ôîêóñèðîâàòüñÿ íà ìèôå î òîì, ÷òî Ïóòèí ñîçäàë "ñèëüíóþ Ðîññèþ".  äåéñòâèòåëüíîñòè îí è åãî äðóæêè ïðåâðàòèëè ãîñóäàðñòâî â ïóñòóþ ñêîðëóïó. Áîëüøàÿ ÷àñòü âëàñòè òåïåðü ïðèíàäëåæèò ñâåðõêîðïîðàöèÿì òèïà "Ãàçïðîìà" è "Ðîñíåôòè", à òàêæå ãîðñòêå ïðåäàííûõ ëþäåé, êîòîðûå èìè ðóêîâîäÿò.

Ðåæèì Ïóòèíà ïðèâåë Ðîññèþ îò õðóïêîé äåìîêðàòèè ê ýôôåêòèâíîìó ìàôèîçíîìó ãîñóäàðñòâó. Ýòî áûë âïå÷àòëÿþùèé àêðîáàòè÷åñêèé òðþê – âåñòè ñåáÿ êàê òèðàí, îäíîâðåìåííî îñòàâàÿñü ëþáåçíûì Çàïàäó. Ïîñëå êàæäîé îïåðàöèè ïî ïîäàâëåíèþ, êîãäà çíà÷èìîé ìåæäóíàðîäíîé ðåàêöèè îíà íå âñòðå÷àëà, Ïóòèí ñîçíàâàë, ÷òî ìîæíî áåçíàêàçàííî ñäåëàòü åùå îäèí øàã. Êàê âñåãäà, çàäàáðèâàíèå âî èìÿ "ðåàëïîëèòèê" òîëüêî ïîîùðÿåò ïîòåíöèàëüíûõ äèêòàòîðîâ, çàêëþ÷àåò ëèäåð "Äðóãîé Ðîññèè".

The Washington Post ïîäâåðãàåò ñîìíåíèþ "Ìèô î ñèëüíîì ïðàâèòåëå" Ïóòèíå. Æóðíàë Time, ïî ìíåíèþ Ôðåäà Õàéýòòà, ïîäòâåðæäàåò îñíîâíîé ìèô, êîòîðûé êóëüòèâèðóåò ñàì Ïóòèí, êîòîðûé ïîñòîÿííî ïîääåðæèâàëà àäìèíèñòðàöèÿ Áóøà è êîòîðûé âñå ÷àùå âîñïðèíèìàåòñÿ êàê èñòîðè÷åñêèé ôàêò: ñ÷èòàåòñÿ, ÷òî ïðè ïåðåõîäå îò äåìîêðàòèè ê àâòîðèòàðèçìó Ïóòèí òðàíñôîðìèðîâàë õàîñ â ñòàáèëüíîñòü. Ðîññèÿ äåñÿòü ëåò íàçàä, óêàçûâàåò ñòàðøèé ðåäàêòîð Time Íàòàí Òîðíáóðã, áûëà "áåñêîíòðîëüíîé è áåñïîðÿäî÷íîé ñòðàíîé, ãäå ãîñïîäñòâîâàëè ÷óäîâèùíûé óðîâåíü ïðåñòóïíîñòè è êðåìëåâñêàÿ êëåïòîêðàòèÿ Áîðèñà Åëüöèíà".  äåéñòâèòåëüíîñòè, ïîñëå òîãî êàê Ïóòèí â 2000 ãîäó ñòàë ïðåçèäåíòîì âìåñòî Åëüöèíà, ñèòóàöèÿ ñ ïðåñòóïíîñòüþ óõóäøèëàñü, òàê æå, êàê è ñ êîððóïöèåé.

Àâòîð ïðåäëàãàåò îçíàêîìèòüñÿ ñî ñòàòüåé, êîòîðóþ îïóáëèêîâàëè â æóðíàëå Foreign Affairs Ìàéêë Ìàêôîë è Êýòðèí Ñòîóíåð-Âàéñ èç Ñòýíôîðäñêîãî óíèâåðñèòåòà. Îíè ïðèâîäÿò îôèöèàëüíóþ ðîññèéñêóþ ñòàòèñòèêó: ñðåäíåå ÷èñëî óáèéñòâ çà ãîä âûðîñëî ñ 30,2 òûñ. â 1995-1999 ãîäàõ äî 32,2 òûñ. â 2000-2004 ãîäàõ.  òî æå âðåìÿ â 2006 ãîäó â ðåéòèíãå îðãàíèçàöèè Transparency International îòìå÷àåòñÿ êàê íèêîãäà âûñîêèé ðàçãóë êîððóïöèè â Ðîññèè: îíà çàíÿëà 121-å ìåñòî èç 163 ñòðàí. Íåñìîòðÿ íà òî, ÷òî âçëåòåâøèå öåíû íà íåôòü íàïîëíèëè ðîññèéñêóþ êàçíó, à çàðïëàòû â ïðàâèòåëüñòâå âûðîñëè áîëåå ÷åì âäâîå, ðîññèÿíå ñòàëè óìèðàòü ðàíüøå (ñðåäíÿÿ ïðîäîëæèòåëüíîñòü æèçíè ðîññèéñêèõ ìóæ÷èí – 59 ëåò), ÷àùå áîëåòü, áîëüøå ïèòü è çàâîäèòü ìåíüøå äåòåé.

Íà ÷åì æå â òàêîì ñëó÷àå îñíîâûâàåòñÿ ýòîò ìèô? Êàê Ïîëüøà, Ýñòîíèÿ è ìíîãèå äðóãèå ãîñóäàðñòâà, Ðîññèÿ ïåðåæèëà ïîñòêîììóíèñòè÷åñêèé ïåðèîä. Îíà ïîäõîäèëà ê áåçîïàñíîìó áåðåãó óæå òîãäà, êîãäà Ïóòèí çàíÿë ïðåçèäåíòñêèé ïîñò.  ÷èñëå ñàìûõ áîëüøèõ ãðåõîâ Åëüöèíà áûëî ïîñÿãàòåëüñòâî íà äåìîêðàòèþ – îí íå ïîçâîëÿë ÷åðåñ÷óð ìíîãî ñâîáîäû – îäíàêî îí ïåðåäàë â íàñëåäñòâî Ïóòèíó ñòðàíó ñ æèâîé ïðåññîé, êîíêóðèðóþùèìè ïîëèòè÷åñêèìè ïàðòèÿìè è ýíåðãè÷íûì ãðàæäàíñêèì îáùåñòâîì. Íàðàâíå ñ Ïîëüøåé, Ýñòîíèåé è îñòàëüíûìè ãîñóäàðñòâàìè Ðîññèÿ ìîãëà áû ñäåëàòü âûáîð â ïîëüçó ïðîöâåòàíèÿ è äåìîêðàòèè. Íî Ïóòèí ïðèíÿë èíîå ðåøåíèå, ñîæàëååò Õàéýòò.

Ãàçåòà Christian Science Monitor îçàãëàâèëà ðåäàêöèîííóþ êîëîíêó "Æèòü ïî ïðàâäå". Âëàäèìèð Ïóòèí ñòàë "×åëîâåêîì ãîäà" ïî âåðñèè æóðíàëà Time? À êàê æå ëèäåð ðîññèéñêîé îïïîçèöèè Ãàððè Êàñïàðîâ, êîòîðûé áûë âûíóæäåí îòêàçàòüñÿ îò ó÷àñòèÿ â ïðåçèäåíòñêîé ãîíêå èç-çà ïðåñëåäîâàíèé âëàñòåé? Ñâîáîäå âî âñåì ìèðå â ýòîì ãîäó ïðèøëîñü òóãî, åñëè íå ñêàçàòü õóæå, ïðè÷åì íåìàëî ýòîìó ñïîñîáñòâîâàë ãîñïîäèí Ïóòèí, ïîëàãàåò èçäàíèå. Áëàãîòâîðèòåëüíàÿ îðãàíèçàöèÿ Freedom House, êîòîðàÿ îòñëåæèâàåò ñèòóàöèþ ñ ãðàæäàíñêèìè ñâîáîäàìè è ïðàâàìè ÷åëîâåêà, ïðèøëà ê âûâîäó, ÷òî â 2007 ãîäó "óñèëèëîñü íàñòóïëåíèå" íà ñâîáîäó. Äî ýòîãî â òå÷åíèå äåñÿòè ëåò â äàííîé îáëàñòè îòìå÷àëàñü "ñòàãíàöèÿ".

Êàê è Âàöëàâ Ãàâåë, áûâøèé àíòèêîììóíèñò è äèññèäåíò èç Ïðàãè, êîòîðûé ïîçæå ñòàë ïðåçèäåíòîì ñâîáîäíîé ×åõîñëîâàêèè, ëþäè, êîòîðûå áîðþòñÿ çà ñâîáîäó, íå çíàþò, êîãäà èõ äåéñòâèÿ ïðèíåñóò ïëîäû. Íî îíè íå îñòàíàâëèâàþòñÿ. Èõ äåéñòâèÿ – è ìàñøòàáíûå, è ìàëîçíà÷èòåëüíûå – ïîêàçûâàþò, ÷òî ïðåñëåäîâàíèÿ ÿâëÿþòñÿ âîïëîùåíèåì ëæè. Èõ äåéñòâèÿ ïðèäàþò ñìåëîñòè äðóãèì ëþäÿì, ÷òîáû è òå ñòðåìèëèñü æèòü ïî ïðàâäå, óêàçûâàåò èçäàíèå.

Áðèòàíñêèå èçäàíèÿ ïðîäîëæàþò ìóññèðîâàòü òåìó î ãèïîòåòè÷åñêîì áîãàòñòâå Âëàäèìèðà Ïóòèíà è ñëóõè î åãî àêòèâàõ â "òàèíñòâåííîé íåôòÿíîé êîìïàíèè Gunvor". The Independent ïóáëèêóåò ñòàòüþ "Âîïðîñ íà 40 ìèëëèàðäîâ: íàñêîëüêî áîãàò Ïóòèí?".

Íà ôîíå âåäóùåéñÿ ìåæäó âðàæäóþùèìè êðåìëåâñêèìè êëàíàìè ïîäêîâåðíîé áîðüáû, êîòîðàÿ óæåñòî÷èëàñü ââèäó ãðÿäóùåãî â áóäóùåì ãîäó óõîäà Ïóòèíà ñ ïîñòà ïðåçèäåíòà, âîçíèê ðÿä âîïðîñîâ îòíîñèòåëüíî ÿêîáû òàéíî íàêîïëåííîãî èì ìíîãîìèëëèàðäíîãî ñîñòîÿíèÿ. Ïîëèòîëîã Ñòàíèñëàâ Áåëêîâñêèé óòâåðæäàåò, ÷òî Ïóòèí, êîòîðûé íà ðóêîâîäÿùèå ïîñòû â êëþ÷åâûõ ãîñóäàðñòâåííûõ êîìïàíèÿõ íàçíà÷èë ñâîèõ äðóçåé è ñîþçíèêîâ, ñêðûâàåò îò âñåõ ëè÷íîå ñîñòîÿíèå â 40 ìëðä äîëëàðîâ (20 ìëðä ôóíòîâ), êîòîðîå ïðåäïîëîæèòåëüíî õðàíèòñÿ â Øâåéöàðèè è Ëèõòåíøòåéíå. Åñëè ýòè óòâåðæäåíèÿ ñîîòâåòñòâóþò äåéñòâèòåëüíîñòè, òî Ïóòèí – áîãàòåéøèé ÷åëîâåê Ðîññèè, ñîîáùàåò èçäàíèå.

Îäíàêî ñàì Áåëêîâñêèé, ïî ñëîâàì êîòîðîãî Ïóòèí ÷åðåç ñåêðåòíûå ñ÷åòà â åâðîïåéñêèõ áàíêàõ êîíòðîëèðóåò àêöèè "Ãàçïðîìà" è äðóãèõ ýíåðãåòè÷åñêèõ êîìïàíèé, ÿâëÿåòñÿ ïðîòèâîðå÷èâîé ôèãóðîé, ïèøåò îáîçðåâàòåëü Øîí Óîêåð.  2003 ãîäó îí íàïèñàë ñòàòüþ, â êîòîðîé óòâåðæäàë, ÷òî ãëàâà ðîññèéñêîãî íåôòÿíîãî ãèãàíòà ÞÊÎÑ Ìèõàèë Õîäîðêîâñêèé çàìûøëÿåò ãîñóäàðñòâåííûé ïåðåâîðîò. Âñêîðå ïîñëå ýòîãî Õîäîðêîâñêèé áûë çàêëþ÷åí â òþðüìó, ãäå òîìèòñÿ äî ñèõ ïîð. Èçäàíèå ïðèâîäèò ìíåíèå ðîññèéñêîãî ïîëèòîëîãà Àëåêñåÿ Ìàêàðêèíà: "Áåëêîâñêèé – ïðîâîêàòîð. ß íå çíàþ, çà÷åì îí òàêîå ñêàçàë è ðàáîòàåò ëè îí íà êîãî-íèáóäü, íî íàì, ïîõîæå, åùå ïðåäñòîèò óâèäåòü íå îäíî... òàêîå çàÿâëåíèå ïî ìåðå ïðèáëèæåíèÿ âûáîðîâ".

The Guardian ïèøåò: "Òàèíñòâåííàÿ íåôòÿíàÿ êîìïàíèÿ îòðèöàåò, ÷òî Ïóòèí ÿâëÿåòñÿ äåðæàòåëåì ÷àñòè åå àêöèé".  Gunvor îïðîâåðãëè èíôîðìàöèþ î òîì, ÷òî îí ÿâëÿåòñÿ "áåíåôèöèàðîì" êîìïàíèè, íî ïîäòâåðäèëè, ÷òî îñíîâàòåëü êîìïàíèè ñâÿçàí ñ Ïóòèíûì óçàìè äðóæáû.  çàÿâëåíèè èñïîëíèòåëüíîãî äèðåêòîðà Gunvor Òîðáüîðíà Òîðíêâèñòà ãîâîðèòñÿ, ÷òî ïðåäïîëàãàòü, áóäòî êîìïàíèÿ èçâëåêàëà âûãîäó èç ÿêîáû èìåâøèõ ìåñòî òåñíûõ ñâÿçåé ñ Êðåìëåì, "ñîâåðøåííî îøèáî÷íî".

Íà ñòðàíèöàõ ïÿòíè÷íîãî íîìåðà Guardian, íàïîìèíàåò èçäàíèå, ðîññèéñêèé ïîëèòîëîã Ñòàíèñëàâ Áåëêîâñêèé óòâåðæäàë, ÷òî Ïóòèí ïîñðåäñòâîì "íåïðîçðà÷íîé ñåòè îôøîðíûõ òðàñòîâ" êîíòðîëèðóåò "ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå 75%" êîìïàíèè Gunvor. Áåëêîâñêèé ñêàçàë â èíòåðâüþ Guardian: "Êîíå÷íî, ôàìèëèÿ Ïóòèíà íå ôèãóðèðóåò íè â îäíîì ñïèñêå àêöèîíåðîâ. Ýòî íåïðîçðà÷íàÿ ñõåìà ïîñòóïåí÷àòîé ñîáñòâåííîñòè îôøîðíûõ êîìïàíèé è ôîíäîâ. Êîíå÷íàÿ òî÷êà – â Öóãå (Øâåéöàðèÿ) è â Ëèõòåíøòåéíå. Âëàäèìèð Ïóòèí, ïî-âèäèìîìó, ÿâëÿåòñÿ âëàäåëüöåì-áåíåôèöèàðîì". Êðîìå òîãî, óòâåðæäàåò Áåëêîâñêèé, ïðåçèäåíò êîíòðîëèðóåò 37% àêöèé "Ñóðãóòíåôòåãàçà", íåôòåðàçâåäî÷íîé êîìïàíèè è êðóïíåéøåãî ðîññèéñêîãî äîáûò÷èêà íåôòè, à òàêæå 4,5% "Ãàçïðîìà".

Ìåæäó òåì â ñâîåì ïèñüìå Òîðíêâèñò âïåðâûå ïðèçíàë, ÷òî Ïóòèí äðóæèò ñ îäíèì èç îñíîâàòåëåé Gunvor Ãåííàäèåì Òèì÷åíêî – èçáåãàþùèì ïóáëè÷íîñòè ðîññèéñêèì áèçíåñìåíîì, êîòîðûé æèâåò â Øâåéöàðèè. Ðàçìåð åãî ñîñòîÿíèÿ íåèçâåñòåí. "Òèì÷åíêî äåéñòâèòåëüíî ïîçíàêîìèëñÿ ñ ïðåçèäåíòîì Ïóòèíûì åùå äî òîãî, êàê îí ïîëó÷èë èçâåñòíîñòü, – ïèøåò Òîðíêâèñò. – Âïðî÷åì, ïðåäïîëîæåíèÿ î òîì, ÷òî ó íèõ îáùåå ïðîøëîå â ÊÃÁ èëè ÷òî ó íèõ ÿêîáû áûë îáùèé áèçíåñ, àáñîëþòíî íåóìåñòíû".
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