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Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
: 12000
: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 27 2009, 23:57:50     :

Äà-à....íå ëþáÿò îðòîäîêñû Èíòåë...... Óæ âðîäå è åâðåè òàì â øàáàò íå ðàáîòàþò, à ïðîòåñòû òàêè ïðîäîëæàþòñÿ...

Èíòåë, êîíå÷íî, òîæå ñâèðåïàÿ êîìïàíèÿ: Îòêðûòà â Øàáàò! Êàê òóò íà íå¸ íå íàáðîñèòüñÿ?

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1137999.html
Two cops hurt in clashes with ultra-Orthodox in Jerusalem
By Yair Ettinger, Haaretz Correspondent
Tags: Intel, Israel news

Thousands of ultra-Orthodox demonstrators gathered on Sunday evening at an industrial zone in Jerusalem where Intel has its compound, to protest the company's decision to stay open on the Sabbath.

As their protests picked up speed over the course of the evening, the demonstrators began throwing rocks at police officers, wounding two. Two protesters were arrested in the wake of the clashes.

"We hate desecrators of the Sabbath and will continue to fight them," Rabbi Yitzhak Tuvia Weiss, the leader of the Haredi sector said to the protesters.

Although he called on the protesters to break up their protests quietly, the young ultra-Orthodox continued in the thousands to demonstrate near the Golda Meir square in the city center.

After several Haredi protests in November against the computer company, Intel agreed to stop employing Jews for its Saturday shifts at the Jerusalem plant. The rabbis did not accept the offer, however, and vowed to continue to struggle against the company.

Ultra-Orthodox protests over the past few months have subjected police to verbal and physical violence, which was said to represent a transgression of limitations set last summer by Rabbi Weiss, after officers warned him they may not be able to control their men if they continue to be subjected to spits and taunts.

Haredi rabbis have warned not to physically assault police and particularly not to spit at them.
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Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
: 12000
: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 4 2010, 10:08:15     :

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1139705.html
Politicans rally with Jewish and Christian clerics against clergy abuse
By Yair Ettinger and Nir Hasson
Tags: Municipal Rabbis, Haredi

A rare meeting between clerics from various churches, representatives of the Foreign Ministry and the Jerusalem municipality, and a rabbi belonging to the Eda Haredit anti-Zionist ultra-Orthodox stream gathered last week in Jerusalem in an effort to stave off a diplomatic crisis between Israel and a number of foreign states.

The meeting was spurred by the growing number of complaints from churches in the vicinity of Jerusalem's Mea She'arim quarter about violence and harassment toward them on the part of ultra-Orthodox Jews.

These churches are located outside the Old City walls and in proximity to the ultra-Orthodox neighborhood, and include Polish, Ethiopian, Romanian and Russian places of worship. They have recently encountered serious harassment and violence in the form of spitting and curses aimed at nuns and monks, a dead cat thrown into one church's courtyard, anti-Christian slogans spray-painted on walls, and stone throwing.

In recent months, when demonstrations by members of the ultra-Orthodox community were seen against the operation of a parking lot on the Sabbath and the arrest of a woman accused of starving her child, attacks on Christians intensified as well.

News of the harassment of the clergy was published abroad and met with shock. Complaints were lodged with the Israeli embassies and began piling up at the Foreign Ministry.

Poland's honorary consul in Jerusalem approached Avraham Kroizer, the mayor's adviser on ultra-Orthodox affairs. The latter turned to members of the Eda Haredit and to Dr. Hagai Agmon-Snir, director of the Jerusalem Intercultural Center, closely tied with the group.

Eda Haredit representatives denied that members of their community were involved, but said it was possible that "fringe youth" who had participated in the demonstrations were causing the problems.

In recent years, and particularly in the past few months, there have been several incidents in which Palestinians have also been attacked in the area separating the western and eastern parts of Jerusalem. Agmon-Snir and Kroizer said it was not by chance the appeal had been made to the Eda Haredit, even if they were not responsible for the attacks, because rabbis from that community could lead other ultra-Orthodox to follow in their footsteps.

Later last week, Rabbi Shlomo Papenheim, a member of the Edad Haredit leadership, met at the Jerusalem municipality with Kroizer and the mayor's adviser on religious communities, Jacky Avrahami. Mayor Nir Barkat also attended. Papenheim brought a letter from rabbis of the community's religious tribunal denouncing the violent attacks. The letter also mentioned violence on the part of youths in the Sheikh Jarrah quarter of East Jerusalem, where Rabbi Shimon Hatzadik's grave is located.

"In addition to the desecration of the Lord's name that is involved," the letter states, "our rabbis, may the memory of these righteous men be a blessing, have already forbidden harassment of gentiles."
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Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
: 12000
: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 3 2010, 23:57:58     :

http://www.newsru.co.il/israel/03feb2010/gufa510.html
"Õàðåäèì" ñîãëàñèëèñü âåðíóòü òåëî æåíùèíû, åñëè åãî íå áóäóò âñêðûâàòü
âðåìÿ ïóáëèêàöèè: 3 ôåâðàëÿ 2010 ã., 23:42

"Õàðåäèì" ñîãëàñèëèñü âåðíóòü òåëî æåíùèíû, åñëè åãî íå áóäóò âñêðûâàòü
Ðóêîâîäñòâó ïîëèöèè Èåðóñàëèìà óäàëîñü óáåäèòü ïðåäñòàâèòåëåé óëüòðàðåëèãèîçíîé îáùèíû âåðíóòü ïîõèùåííîå òåëî æåíùèíû, íàéäåííîå â çàáðîøåííîì äîìå âîçëå Ìåà-Øåàðèì, ïðè óñëîâèè, ÷òî åñëè ýêñïåðòû ïðèäóò ê âûâîäó, ÷òî ðå÷ü íå èäåò îá óáèéñòâå, ïîñìåðòíîå âñêðûòèå ïðîâîäèòüñÿ íå áóäåò.

"Õàðåäèì" ñîãëàñèëèñü ïåðåäàòü òðóï âîëîíòåðàì îðãàíèçàöèè ïîèñêà è îïîçíàíèÿ òåë æåðòâ òåðàêòîâ è êàòàñòðîô ÇÀÊÀ.  ñîîòâåòñòâèè ñ äîãîâîðåííîñòüþ, ñóäåáíî-ìåäèöèíñêèå ýêñïåðòû îãðàíè÷àòñÿ íàðóæíûì îñìîòðîì òåëà, è íå áóäóò âñêðûâàòü æåíùèíó. Ïîñëå âåðäèêòà ýêñïåðòîâ, òðóï áóäåò ïåðåäàí äëÿ çàõîðîíåíèÿ.

Íàïîìíèì, ÷òî íåñêîëüêèìè ÷àñàìè ðàíåå â ïîëèöèþ è ñëóæáó ñêîðîé ïîìîùè "Ìàãåí Äàâèä Àäîì" ïîñòóïèëî ñîîáùåíèå î òîì, ÷òî â çàáðîøåííîì äîìå íà óëèöå Ðàáåéíó Ãåðøóì áûëî îáíàðóæåíî òåëî æåíùèíû â âîçðàñòå 25 ëåò. Ïî âñåé âèäèìîñòè, ïðè÷èíîé ñìåðòè ñòàëà ïåðåäîçèðîâêà íàðêîòèêîâ.

Âðà÷è ÌÀÄÀ, êîíñòàòèðîâàâøèå ñìåðòü æåíùèíû, îñòàëèñü äîæèäàòüñÿ ïîëèöèè, îäíàêî â ýòîò ìîìåíò â äîì âîðâàëèñü íåñêîëüêî äåñÿòêîâ óëüòðàðåëèãèîçíûõ ìîëîäûõ ëþäåé, êîòîðûå ïîõèòèëè òåëî.

 õîäå áåñïîðÿäêîâ, âîçíèêøèõ ïðè ïîïûòêå îòíÿòü òåëî ó "õàðåäèì", áûëè ïåðåãîðîæåíû óëèöû, ïîäîææåíà ïàòðóëüíàÿ ìàøèíà.
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Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
: 12000
: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 21 2010, 18:27:37     :

À ïðîêóðîð áûë ïðàâ...

http://www.newsru.com/religy/20aug2010/iegovy.html
Òÿæåëîáîëüíîìó ìàëü÷èêó èç ñåìüè "ñâèäåòåëåé Èåãîâû" ïåðåëüþò êðîâü ïî ðåøåíèþ ñóäà
âðåìÿ ïóáëèêàöèè: 20 àâãóñòà 2010 ã., 17:07
ïîñëåäíåå îáíîâëåíèå: 20 àâãóñòà 2010 ã., 17:07

Òÿæåëîáîëüíîìó ìàëü÷èêó èç ñåìüè "ñâèäåòåëåé Èåãîâû" ïåðåëüþò êðîâü ïî ðåøåíèþ ñóäà

Çàìîñêâîðåöêèé ñóä Ìîñêâû ðàçðåøèë ïðîâåñòè ïåðåëèâàíèå êðîâè òÿæåëî áîëüíîìó ìàëü÷èêó, íåñìîòðÿ íà çàïðåò ìàòåðè, êîòîðàÿ çàïðåùàåò äåëàòü ýòî èç ðåëèãèîçíûõ óáåæäåíèé, ñîîáùàåò "Èíòåðôàêñ". Ìàòü ÿâëÿåòñÿ ÷ëåíîì ñåêòû "Ñâèäåòåëè Èåãîâû".

Êàê ñîîáùèë èñòî÷íèê â àäâîêàòñêèõ êðóãàõ, â Çàìîñêâîðåöêóþ ìåæðàéîííóþ ïðîêóðàòóðó îáðàòèëàñü àäìèíèñòðàöèÿ ÍÈÈ íåîòëîæíîé äåòñêîé õèðóðãèè è òðàâìàòîëîãèè. Ìåäèêè ïðîñèëè çàùèòèòü èíòåðåñû ðåáåíêà, ìàòü êîòîðîãî ïðè ÿâíîì íàëè÷èè óãðîçû åãî æèçíè íå ðàçðåøèëà ïðîâåñòè åìó ïåðåëèâàíèå êðîâè è åå êîìïîíåíòîâ.

10-ëåòíèé ìàëü÷èê íåäàâíî ïîïàë â ðåàíèìàöèþ ÍÈÈ ñ òÿæåëîé ñî÷åòàííîé òðàâìîé: óøèáîì ãîëîâíîãî ìîçãà òÿæåëîé ñòåïåíè, ïåðåëîìîì ñâîäà ÷åðåïà, çàêðûòîé òðàâìîé ãðóäè, óøèáîì ëåãêèõ è äðóãèìè ïîâðåæäåíèÿìè. Åãî ñîñòîÿíèå ìàëü÷èêà áûëî î÷åíü òÿæåëûì, ïîíàäîáèëîñü ïåðåëèâàíèå êðîâè, ÷åãî íå õîòåëà ìàòü.

Ïðîêóðîð, â ñâîþ î÷åðåäü, îáðàòèëñÿ ñ èñêîì â ñóä â èíòåðåñàõ íåñîâåðøåííîëåòíåãî è ïðîñèë ðàçðåøèòü ïåðåëèâàíèå êðîâè. Ýòî èñêîâîå çàÿâëåíèå áûëî óäîâëåòâîðåíî. Äåëî ðàññìàòðèâàëîñü íà çàêðûòîì ñóäåáíîì çàñåäàíèè.

Ñâèäåòåëè Èåãîâû îòêàçûâàþòñÿ ïåðåëèâàòü êðîâü (èëè åå îòäåëüíûå êîìïîíåíòû), ïðèâîäÿ â êà÷åñòâå àðãóìåíòà áèáëåéñêèé çàïðåò "íå åñòü êðîâè".  íåêîòîðûõ ñëó÷àÿõ áîëüíûå, êîòîðûì òðåáîâàëîñü ïåðåëèâàíèå, óìèðàëè. Òî÷íîé ñòàòèñòèêè ïî ýòîìó âîïðîñó íå ñóùåñòâóåò, íî ïðåññà óçíàåò î íåñêîëüêèõ òàêèõ ñëó÷àÿõ (ñ ëåòàëüíûì èñõîäîì è áåç) â ãîä.

 ñîîòâåòñòâèè ñî ñòàòüåé 33 "Îñíîâ çàêîíîäàòåëüñòâà ÐÔ îá îõðàíå çäîðîâüÿ ãðàæäàí" ïðè îòêàçå ðîäèòåëåé èëè èíûõ çàêîííûõ ïðåäñòàâèòåëåé ëèöà îò ìåäèöèíñêîé ïîìîùè, íåîáõîäèìîé äëÿ ñïàñåíèÿ æèçíè, áîëüíè÷íîå ó÷ðåæäåíèå âïðàâå îáðàòèòüñÿ â ñóä äëÿ çàùèòû èíòåðåñîâ áîëüíûõ.
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Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
: 12000
: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 6 2010, 18:13:24     :

http://www.newsru.co.il/israel/06sep2010/giur501.html
Ðàââèíàò íå óòâåðäèë "àðìåéñêèå ãèþðû": ïîä âîïðîñîì ïðàâà 4500 ÷åëîâåê

Ðàââèíàò íå óòâåðäèë "àðìåéñêèå ãèþðû": ïîä âîïðîñîì ïðàâà 4500 ÷åëîâåê
Î÷åðåäíàÿ äåìîíñòðàöèÿ ïîëíîãî îòñóòñòâèÿ êîîðäèíàöèè ìåæäó ãîñóäàðñòâåííûìè ñòðóêòóðàìè, â ðåçóëüòàòå ÷åãî äëèòåëüíîå îáó÷åíèå, ñóùåñòâåííûå çàòðàòû âðåìåíè è ñèë ÷åòûðåõ ñ ïîëîâèíîé òûñÿ÷ ìîëîäûõ ëþäåé îêàçàëèñü, ïî ñóòè, íàïðàñíûìè: â ñâÿçè ñ òåì, ÷òî ÖÀÕÀË íå ïåðåäàâàë äîêóìåíòû ñîëäàò î ïðîõîæäåíèè ãèþðà (ïåðåõîäà â èóäàèçì) íà óòâåðæäåíèå â ãëàâíûé ðàââèíàò, ãèþð ñ÷èòàåòñÿ íåäåéñòâèòåëüíûì.

 ïîíåäåëüíèê ÁÀÃÀÖ îáñóæäàë èñê, ïîäàííûé Èíôîðìàöèîííûì öåíòðîì "Èòèì" è îñíîâàòåëåì ïðîåêòà "Íàòèâ" â ÖÀÕÀËå Ýëèýçåðîì Øòåðíîì ïðîòèâ ãëàâíîãî ðàââèíàòà, îòêàçûâàþùåãîñÿ ðåãèñòðèðîâàòü áðàêè ìîëîäûõ ëþäåé, ïðîøåäøèõ ãèþð âî âðåìÿ àðìåéñêîé ñëóæáû.  êà÷åñòâå îòâåò÷èêîâ, ïîìèìî ãëàâíîãî ðàââèíàòà, âûñòóïèëè òàêæå ãëàâíûå ðàââèíû Àøêåëîíà, Àøäîäà, Ðèøîí ëå-Öèîíà è Ðåõîâîòà.

Êàê ñîîáùàåò â ïîíåäåëüíèê, 6 ñåíòÿáðÿ, ðàäèîñòàíöèÿ "Êîëü Èñðàýëü", ïðåäñòàâèòåëüíèöà ïðîêóðàòóðû â õîäå çàñåäàíèÿ Âûñøåãî ñóäà ñïðàâåäëèâîñòè îòìåòèëà, ÷òî çà ãîäû äåéñòâèÿ ïðîãðàììû ãèþðà äëÿ ñîëäàò ñðî÷íîé ñëóæáû Àðìèè îáîðîíû Èçðàèëÿ íèêòî â ãëàâíîì ðàââèíàòå íå êîíòðîëèðîâàë ýòó ïðîãðàììó, è âñå äîêóìåíòû îêîí÷èâøèõ êóðñû âîåííîñëóæàùèõ "ïîäøèâàëèñü", ìèíóÿ óòâåðæäåíèå ðàââèíàòîì.

Òàêèì îáðàçîì, ïåðåõîä â èóäàèçì 4500 ÷åëîâåê ÿâëÿåòñÿ, ïî ñóòè, íåäåéñòâèòåëüíûì, è ïîæåíèòüñÿ â ðàââèíàòå âûïóñêíèêè àðìåéñêèõ êóðñîâ ãèþðà íå ñìîãóò. Ïðîêóðàòóðà òðåáóåò âçâåøåííîãî è îòâåòñòâåííîãî ðåøåíèÿ äàííîé ïðîáëåìû â ìèíèìàëüíûå ñðîêè.
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Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
: 12000
: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 20 2010, 23:55:13     :

http://news.israelinfo.ru/kaleidoscope/34791
Ðàâ Îâàäüÿ îáúÿñíèë, çà÷åì æèâóò ãîè

20 îêòÿáðÿ 2010. «Ãîè ðîæäåíû ëèøü äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû ñëóæèòü íàì. Áåç ýòîãî äëÿ íèõ íåò ìåñòà â ìèðå — òîëüêî ÷òîáû ñëóæèòü íàðîäó Èçðàèëÿ», — çàÿâèë ãëàâíûé äóõîâíûé àâòîðèòåò ïàðòèè ØÀÑ, ïðåäñåäàòåëü Ñîâåòà ìóäðåöîâ Òîðû, ðàâ Îâàäüÿ Éîñåô.

Ðàçúÿñíåíèÿ îòíîñèòåëüíî ñìûñëà æèçíè «ãîåâ» ðàâ Îâàäüÿ äàë â ñâîåé ñóááîòíåé ïðîïîâåäè, îòâå÷àÿ íà âîïðîñ î òîì, êàêèå äåëà ïîçâîëåíî äåëàòü â ñóááîòó íååâðåÿì. Ïî÷èòàåìûé ñåôàðäñêèé ðàââèí ñîîáùèë, ÷òî â Èçðàèëå íååâðååâ õðàíèò Áîã — ðàäè ïîëüçû åâðååâ è èçáàâëåíèÿ èõ îò óáûòêîâ.

«Â Èçðàèëå ñìåðòü íàä íèìè íå âëàñòíà. ßçû÷íèêàì, êàê è âñåì, ïðèõîäèòñÿ óìèðàòü — íî Áîã äàåò èì äîëãîëåòèå. Ïî÷åìó? Ïðåäñòàâüòå, åñëè ó êîãî-òî óìðåò îñåë, ÷åëîâåê ïîòåðÿåò äåíüãè. Ýòî åãî ñëóãà. Âîò ïî÷åìó îí ïîëó÷àåò äîëãóþ æèçíü, ÷òîáû õîðîøî ðàáîòàòü íà åâðåÿ», — îáúÿñíèë ðàâ Îâàäüÿ.

Ñëîâà äóõîâíîãî ëèäåðà ØÀÑ îïóáëèêîâàëà Jerusalem Post, íàïîìíèâ, ÷òî 90-ëåòíèé ðàâ Îâàäüÿ ðåãóëÿðíî âûçûâàåò ãðîìêèå ñêàíäàëû ñâîèìè ñóááîòíèìè ïðîïîâåäÿìè.

Íà ñåé ðàç ðàâ Îâàäüÿ, ïî-âèäèìîìó, îáúÿñíÿë ñâîåé ïàñòâå ñåðüåçíóþ òåîëîãè÷åñêóþ ïðîáëåìó: ïî÷åìó íå ñîáëþäàþùèå ñóááîòó «ãîè» íå ïîäâåðãàþòñÿ âèäèìûì êàðàì íåáåñíûì, áëàãîïîëó÷íî æèâóò è ïðîöâåòàþò. Ðàâ òàêæå ïîïûòàëñÿ íàðèñîâàòü ñîáëàçíèòåëüíóþ êàðòèíó ñóááîòíåãî ïîêîÿ åâðååâ ñðåäè íå ñîáëþäàþùèõ çàïîâåäè ÿçû÷íèêîâ:

«Çà÷åì íóæíû ÿçû÷íèêè? Îíè áóäóò ðàáîòàòü, îíè áóäóò ïàõàòü, îíè áóäóò æàòü. À ìû áóäåì òîëüêî ñèäåòü è êóøàòü, êàê ãîñïîäà («ýôåíäè»)». Ýòè ñëîâà ðàâà, ïðèâåäåííûå æóðíàëèñòàìè áåç ïîÿñíåíèé, ïðîçâó÷àëè îñîáåííî ñêàíäàëüíî è âûçâàëè ìíîæåñòâî âîçìóùåííûõ êîììåíòàðèåâ íà ñàéòå Jerusalem Post.

×àñòü êîììåíòàòîðîâ âûðàæàþò íåãîäîâàíèå çàÿâëåíèÿìè «áåçóìíîãî ðàâà», äðóãèå — ïîñòóïêîì ðåäàêöèè ãàçåòû, âûðâàâøåé åãî ñëîâà èç íåâåäîìîãî ÷èòàòåëþ êîíòåêñòà è óñòðîèâøåé «àíòèðåëèãèîçíóþ ïðîâîêàöèþ».

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Yosef: Gentiles exist only to serve Jews
By JONAH MANDEL
10/18/2010 05:13

According to Rabbi, the lives of non-Jews in Israel are safeguarded by divinity, to prevent losses to Jews.
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The sole purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews, according to Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, the head of Shas’s Council of Torah Sages and a senior Sephardi adjudicator.

“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel,” he said in his weekly Saturday night sermon on the laws regarding the actions non-Jews are permitted to perform on Shabbat.

According to Yosef, the lives of non-Jews in Israel are safeguarded by divinity, to prevent losses to Jews.

“In Israel, death has no dominion over them... With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money.

This is his servant... That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew,” Yosef said.


“Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat.

That is why gentiles were created,” he added.

Yosef’s Saturday night sermons have seen many controversial statements from the 90-year-old rabbi. In August, Yosef caused a diplomatic uproar when he wished a plague upon the Palestinian people and their leaders, a curse he retracted a few weeks later, when he blessed them along with all of Israel’s other peace-seeking neighbors.
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Íà ñåé ðàç ðàâ Îâàäüÿ, ïî-âèäèìîìó, îáúÿñíÿë ñâîåé ïàñòâå ñåðüåçíóþ òåîëîãè÷åñêóþ ïðîáëåìó: ïî÷åìó íå ñîáëþäàþùèå ñóááîòó «ãîè» íå ïîäâåðãàþòñÿ âèäèìûì êàðàì íåáåñíûì, áëàãîïîëó÷íî æèâóò è ïðîöâåòàþò. Ðàâ òàêæå ïîïûòàëñÿ íàðèñîâàòü ñîáëàçíèòåëüíóþ êàðòèíó ñóááîòíåãî ïîêîÿ åâðååâ ñðåäè íå ñîáëþäàþùèõ çàïîâåäè ÿçû÷íèêîâ:

«Çà÷åì íóæíû ÿçû÷íèêè? Îíè áóäóò ðàáîòàòü, îíè áóäóò ïàõàòü, îíè áóäóò æàòü. À ìû áóäåì òîëüêî ñèäåòü è êóøàòü, êàê ãîñïîäà («ýôåíäè»)».


Íó è ÷òî? Åñëè ñëåäîâàòü ëîãèêå ðàââà, òî ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî åâðåè ñ òàêèì æå óñïåõîì ðàáîòàþò "íà": ìóñóëüìàí ïî ïÿòíèöàì, è õðèñòèàí ïî âîñêðåñåíüÿì. À îíè "ñèäÿò è êóøàþò, êàê ãîñïîäà" (êàæäûé â ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèé äåíü ñîãëàñíî ãðàôèêà) Laughing
Òàê ÷òî âñå êâèòû, è âñå-òî â ýòîé æèçíè ïîëíîöåííî è ñáàëàíñèðîâàíî. Rolling Eyes Very Happy
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Íà ñåé ðàç ðàâ Îâàäüÿ, ïî-âèäèìîìó, îáúÿñíÿë ñâîåé ïàñòâå ñåðüåçíóþ òåîëîãè÷åñêóþ ïðîáëåìó: ïî÷åìó íå ñîáëþäàþùèå ñóááîòó «ãîè» íå ïîäâåðãàþòñÿ âèäèìûì êàðàì íåáåñíûì, áëàãîïîëó÷íî æèâóò è ïðîöâåòàþò. Ðàâ òàêæå ïîïûòàëñÿ íàðèñîâàòü ñîáëàçíèòåëüíóþ êàðòèíó ñóááîòíåãî ïîêîÿ åâðååâ ñðåäè íå ñîáëþäàþùèõ çàïîâåäè ÿçû÷íèêîâ:

«Çà÷åì íóæíû ÿçû÷íèêè? Îíè áóäóò ðàáîòàòü, îíè áóäóò ïàõàòü, îíè áóäóò æàòü. À ìû áóäåì òîëüêî ñèäåòü è êóøàòü, êàê ãîñïîäà («ýôåíäè»)».


Íó è ÷òî? Åñëè ñëåäîâàòü ëîãèêå ðàââà, òî ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî åâðåè ñ òàêèì æå óñïåõîì ðàáîòàþò "íà": ìóñóëüìàí ïî ïÿòíèöàì, è õðèñòèàí ïî âîñêðåñåíüÿì. À îíè "ñèäÿò è êóøàþò, êàê ãîñïîäà" (êàæäûé â ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèé äåíü ñîãëàñíî ãðàôèêà) Laughing
Òàê ÷òî âñå êâèòû, è âñå-òî â ýòîé æèçíè ïîëíîöåííî è ñáàëàíñèðîâàíî. Rolling Eyes Very Happy

Äà, ñîáñòâåííî, íè÷åãî îñîáåííîãî. Ðàâ Îâàäüÿ Éîñåô ïðîñòî îçâó÷èë èäåþ: åâðåè - ãîñïîäà, âñå îñòàëüíûå (ãîè) - èõ ñëóãè.
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Íà ñåé ðàç ðàâ Îâàäüÿ, ïî-âèäèìîìó, îáúÿñíÿë ñâîåé ïàñòâå ñåðüåçíóþ òåîëîãè÷åñêóþ ïðîáëåìó: ïî÷åìó íå ñîáëþäàþùèå ñóááîòó «ãîè» íå ïîäâåðãàþòñÿ âèäèìûì êàðàì íåáåñíûì, áëàãîïîëó÷íî æèâóò è ïðîöâåòàþò. Ðàâ òàêæå ïîïûòàëñÿ íàðèñîâàòü ñîáëàçíèòåëüíóþ êàðòèíó ñóááîòíåãî ïîêîÿ åâðååâ ñðåäè íå ñîáëþäàþùèõ çàïîâåäè ÿçû÷íèêîâ:

«Çà÷åì íóæíû ÿçû÷íèêè? Îíè áóäóò ðàáîòàòü, îíè áóäóò ïàõàòü, îíè áóäóò æàòü. À ìû áóäåì òîëüêî ñèäåòü è êóøàòü, êàê ãîñïîäà («ýôåíäè»)».


Íó è ÷òî? Åñëè ñëåäîâàòü ëîãèêå ðàââà, òî ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî åâðåè ñ òàêèì æå óñïåõîì ðàáîòàþò "íà": ìóñóëüìàí ïî ïÿòíèöàì, è õðèñòèàí ïî âîñêðåñåíüÿì. À îíè "ñèäÿò è êóøàþò, êàê ãîñïîäà" (êàæäûé â ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèé äåíü ñîãëàñíî ãðàôèêà) Laughing
Òàê ÷òî âñå êâèòû, è âñå-òî â ýòîé æèçíè ïîëíîöåííî è ñáàëàíñèðîâàíî. Rolling Eyes Very Happy

Äà, ñîáñòâåííî, íè÷åãî îñîáåííîãî. Ðàâ Îâàäüÿ Éîñåô ïðîñòî îçâó÷èë èäåþ: åâðåè - ãîñïîäà, âñå îñòàëüíûå (ãîè) - èõ ñëóãè.


Íó, òàê òîëüêî ïî ñóááîòàì æå. Ïî ïÿòíèöàì ó íàñ "áàðå" ìóñóëüìàíå, ïî âîñêðåñåíüÿì - õðèñòèàíå. Ýòî òèïà èãðà òàêàÿ - êòî ñåãîäíÿ "âîäèò". Rolling Eyes
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Íó, òàê òîëüêî ïî ñóááîòàì æå. Ïî ïÿòíèöàì ó íàñ "áàðå" ìóñóëüìàíå, ïî âîñêðåñåíüÿì - õðèñòèàíå. Ýòî òèïà èãðà òàêàÿ - êòî ñåãîäíÿ "âîäèò". Rolling Eyes
Àãà, èãðà.....àíòèñåìèòèçì íàçûâàåòñÿ.....è Îâàäüÿ òàì äåéñòâèòåëüíî âîäèò....
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Íó, òàê òîëüêî ïî ñóááîòàì æå. Ïî ïÿòíèöàì ó íàñ "áàðå" ìóñóëüìàíå, ïî âîñêðåñåíüÿì - õðèñòèàíå. Ýòî òèïà èãðà òàêàÿ - êòî ñåãîäíÿ "âîäèò". Rolling Eyes
Àãà, èãðà.....àíòèñåìèòèçì íàçûâàåòñÿ.....è Îâàäüÿ òàì äåéñòâèòåëüíî âîäèò....


Íó, çíàåøü, åñòü ëþäè, êîòîðûå âî âñåì âèäÿò "ìèðîâûå çàãîâîðû" è ïðî÷àÿ "àíòè-÷åãî-òî".
Ýòî óæå íå èãðà, à äèàãíîç. Íàçûâàåòñÿ "ìàíèÿ ïðåñëåäîâàíèÿ". Laughing
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Íå íàøëà, êóäû òåìêó òèñíóòü. Ïî-ìîåìó, çäåñü ñàìî ïîäõîäÿùå...
À íà Ðóñè ìíîãîñòðàäàëüíîé îïÿòü ïðîðîê îáúÿâèëñÿ, ýòàêàÿ ïîìåñü Ñîëæåíèöûíà ñ Ïîáåäîíîñöåâûì. Ñì.: Ìàíèôåñò Íèêèòû Ìèõàëêîâà:
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À íà Ðóñè ìíîãîñòðàäàëüíîé îïÿòü ïðîðîê îáúÿâèëñÿ, ýòàêàÿ ïîìåñü Ñîëæåíèöûíà ñ Ïîáåäîíîñöåâûì. Ñì.: Ìàíèôåñò Íèêèòû Ìèõàëêîâà:
http://www.newsru.com/cinema/28oct2010/mihalkovlj.html


Ñïàñèáî Òàèñ, ïðîñâåòèëà. Íèêèòêî ææîò, ÷åãî óæ òàì. Laughing

Ìíå ýòî íàïîìíèëî Áðèæèò Áàðäî, êîòîðàÿ â ñâîå âðåìÿ öåëóþ êíèãó íàâàÿëà ïðî ñîâðåìåííîå ëèöî Ôðàíöèè è êàêîé îíà äîëæíà áûòü íà ñàìîì äåëå. Ýòî ñèäÿ-òî âçàïåðòè íà ñâîåé Ìàäðàãå ñ ñîáà÷êàìè è ïðî÷åé æèâíîñòüþ. Íó åå äîëãî ïîòîì ïî ñóäàì òàñêàëè.. Rolling Eyes
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Íó, äûê, äóõîâíûå ïîèñêè ñòàðåþùåé æåíùèíû ñ êëèìàêñîì åùå êàê-òî ìîæíî îáúÿñíèòü. Cool À Íèêèòêî-òî íàø, ïðàâîñëàâíûé øîâèíèñò-ìîíàðõèñò-äîìîñòðîåâåö, ÷óåò ñåðäöå, çîâñèì ïîä ñòàðîñòè ëåò â ìàðàçì âïàë.
Êàðî÷å, äèñïîçèöûÿ òàêàÿ. Âñåõ áàá, áîñèêîì è õðîíè÷åñêè áåðåìåííûõ, â òåðåìàõ çàïåðåòü. À îñòàëüíîìó íàðîäó âçÿòü áîëüøîé ïðàâîñëàâíûé êðåñò â ðóêè, ïàñòü íà êîëåíè è ëîáûçàòü íîãè íàäåæè-öàðÿ, èëè êòî òàì íîí÷å çà íåãî. È ìîëèòüñÿ èñòîâî çà âîðîâ-áîÿð, äüÿêîâ-ìçäîèìöåâ è äðóãèõ ìóäðåéøèõ ïðîñâåòëåííûõ (òèïî Íèêèòêè). Èáî îíè, ïîäîáíî ñâåòëûì àðõàíãåëàì íåáåñíûì âîêðóã Ïðåñòîëà Á-ãî, åñòü èñòèííûå ñïàñèòåëè è ðàäåòåëè íàðîäíûå. È ïðîò÷àÿ, ïðîò÷àÿ, ïðîò÷àÿ...
Âñå. Ïîøëà òîøíèòü...
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À Íèêèòêî-òî íàø, ïðàâîñëàâíûé øîâèíèñò-ìîíàðõèñò-äîìîñòðîåâåö, ÷óåò ñåðäöå, çîâñèì ïîä ñòàðîñòè ëåò â ìàðàçì âïàë.
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À ìîæåò åìó îòêðîâåíèå áûëî... Shocked Ñâûøå. Laughing
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