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Zabougornov
Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
: 12000
: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 26 2010, 14:41:48     : Ìîðàëüíûé äîëã ÑØÀ èëè Êîãäà ïûòêè ñòàíîâÿòñÿ íîðìîé

http://www.inopressa.ru/article/26Oct2010/guardian/wiki4.html
Ñâèäåòåëüñòâà èðàêñêîé âîéíû: êîãäà ïûòêè ñòàíîâÿòñÿ íîðìîé

Âñÿêèé ðàç, êîãäà WikiLeaks âûêëàäûâàåò ôàêòû â ñâîáîäíîì äîñòóïå, ñíà÷àëà î âîéíå â Àôãàíèñòàíå, à òåïåðü îá Èðàêå, ñàéò îáâèíÿþò â ïðèñòðàñòíîñòè è áåçîòâåòñòâåííîñòè, ïèøåò The Guardian.

"Äåëàëîñü ìíîãî ïîïûòîê îïðàâäàòü âòîðæåíèå â Èðàê, è ñàìûì ðàñïðîñòðàíåííûì è öèíè÷íûì áûëî óòâåðæäåíèå, ÷òî, íåâçèðàÿ íà îòñóòñòâèå ó Èðàêà îðóæèÿ ìàññîâîãî ïîðàæåíèÿ, ïðåêðàùåíèå çâåðñòâ ðåæèìà Ñàääàìà Õóñåéíà áûëî ìîðàëüíîé îáÿçàííîñòüþ (ÑØÀ). Òåïåðü èìåþòñÿ òî÷íûå è ïîäðîáíûå ñâèäåòåëüñòâà èç ïåðâûõ óñò î ñèñòåìàòè÷åñêîì ïðèìåíåíèè ïûòîê èðàêñêèì ïðàâèòåëüñòâîì, ïîñòàâëåííûì Ñîåäèíåííûìè Øòàòàìè íà ìåñòî Ñàääàìà. Õóäøèå ïðàêòèêè ðåæèìà Ñàääàìà, î÷åâèäíî, íå óìåðëè âìåñòè ñ íèì", ãîâîðèòñÿ â ñòàòüå, â ðÿäå ñëó÷àåâ îäíè ïûòêè è èñòÿçàíèÿ âñåãî ëèøü ñìåíèëèñü äðóãèìè.

Ïàðëàìåíòñêîãî ðàññëåäîâàíèÿ ïî íàðóøåíèÿì, äîïóùåííûì Ñîåäèíåííûìè Øòàòàìè íà âîéíå â Èðàêå, íå âåäåòñÿ, è ãëàâíîìó èíñïåêòîðó ÎÎÍ ïî âîïðîñàì ïûòîê Ìàíôðåäó Íîâàêó îñòàåòñÿ òîëüêî ïðèçûâàòü Áàðàêà Îáàìó ê ïðîâåäåíèþ ïîëíîìàñøòàáíîãî ðàññëåäîâàíèÿ. Ýòîò ïðèçûâ, êàê îáû÷íî, áóäåò ïðîèãíîðèðîâàí, ïîëàãàåò èçäàíèå, íî Íîâàê ïðàâ, íàçûâàÿ ðàññëåäîâàíèå ïðè÷àñòíîñòè âîîðóæåííûõ ñèë ÑØÀ ê ïûòêàì çàêîííîé è ìîðàëüíîé îáÿçàííîñòüþ. Ïóáëèêàöèÿ âîçìîæíûõ ñâèäåòåëüñòâ ïðè÷àñòíîñòè ê ïûòêàì íå ÿâëÿåòñÿ áåçîòâåòñòâåííûì è ïðèñòðàñòíûì äåëîì, ýòî - äîëã, ãîâîðèòñÿ â ðåäàêöèîííîé ñòàòüå.

http://www.inopressa.ru/inotheme/2010/10/26/12:15:00/iraq_wiki
Ñâèäåòåëüñòâîâàòü î ïûòêàõ - íå áåçîòâåòñòâåííîñòü, à äîëã

Ïóáëèêàöèÿ íà ñàéòå WikiLeaks 400-ñòðàíè÷íîãî äîñüå ïî Èðàêó ñïðîâîöèðîâàëà ãðàíäèîçíûé ñêàíäàë. "WikiLeaks ïðåâðàòèëñÿ â óãðîçó íàöèîíàëüíîé áåçîïàñíîñòè ÑØÀ", - ïèøåò The Washington Times. "Òàêàÿ öåëü, êàê äåìîêðàòèÿ, íå îïðàâäûâàåò ïîäîáíûõ îòâðàòèòåëüíûõ ñðåäñòâ", - âîçìóùåíû åâðîïåéñêèå ÑÌÈ, òðåáóÿ ðàññëåäîâàòü áåñ÷èíñòâà â Èðàêå è ïðèçâàòü ê îòâåòó ÑØÀ è ÎÎÍ.

"Èç îòíîñèòåëüíî áåçîáèäíîãî ïîìîùíèêà ïðîâîêàòîðîâ WikiLeaks ïðåâðàòèëñÿ â óãðîçó íàöèîíàëüíîé áåçîïàñíîñòè ÑØÀ", - ïèøåò The Washington Times, äîáàâëÿÿ, ÷òî ìàññèâíûå óòå÷êè ê òîìó æå ïîäðûâàþò âåðó â ñïîñîáíîñòü ìèíèñòåðñòâà îáîðîíû çàùèòèòü çàñåêðå÷åííóþ èíôîðìàöèþ è îãðàäèòü ñòðàíó îò êèáåðàòàê.

"Ìèíèñòåðñòâî þñòèöèè äîëæíî âûíåñòè îáâèíåíèÿ ïðîòèâ îñíîâàòåëÿ WikiLeaks Äæóëèàíà Àññàíäæà è âñåõ, ïðè÷àñòíûõ ê óòå÷êå äîêóìåíòîâ. Ïðàâèòåëüñòâî òàêæå äîëæíî íà÷àòü âîéíó ñ ïðèñóòñòâèåì WikiLeaks â èíòåðíåòå. Åñòü ìíîæåñòâî òåõíè÷åñêèõ ñðåäñòâ âûâåñòè èç ñòðîÿ ñàéòû, ðàñïðîñòðàíÿþùèå çàñåêðå÷åííóþ èíôîðìàöèþ. WikiLeaks ìîæåò â îòâåò íà÷àòü èñïîëüçîâàòü àëüòåðíàòèâíûå ñàéòû, íî îíè äîëæíû ñòàíîâèòüñÿ ìèøåíüþ ñðàçó ïîñëå ñâîåãî ïîÿâëåíèÿ", - ãîâîðèòñÿ â ðåäàêöèîííîé ñòàòüå.

"Åñëè Wikileaks õî÷åò èãðàòü â ýòó èãðó, íàèìåíüøåå, ÷òî íàøå ïðàâèòåëüñòâî ìîæåò ñäåëàòü, - ýòî ñíàðÿäèòüñÿ è âûéòè íà ïîëå áîÿ", - çàêëþ÷àåò èçäàíèå.

Âñÿêèé ðàç, êîãäà WikiLeaks âûêëàäûâàåò ôàêòû â ñâîáîäíîì äîñòóïå, ñíà÷àëà î âîéíå â Àôãàíèñòàíå, à òåïåðü îá Èðàêå, ñàéò îáâèíÿþò â ïðèñòðàñòíîñòè è áåçîòâåòñòâåííîñòè, ïèøåò The Guardian. "Äåëàëîñü ìíîãî ïîïûòîê îïðàâäàòü âòîðæåíèå â Èðàê, è ñàìûì ðàñïðîñòðàíåííûì è öèíè÷íûì áûëî óòâåðæäåíèå, ÷òî, íåâçèðàÿ íà îòñóòñòâèå ó Èðàêà îðóæèÿ ìàññîâîãî ïîðàæåíèÿ, ïðåêðàùåíèå çâåðñòâ ðåæèìà Ñàääàìà Õóñåéíà áûëî ìîðàëüíîé îáÿçàííîñòüþ (ÑØÀ). Òåïåðü èìåþòñÿ òî÷íûå è ïîäðîáíûå ñâèäåòåëüñòâà èç ïåðâûõ óñò î ñèñòåìàòè÷åñêîì ïðèìåíåíèè ïûòîê èðàêñêèì ïðàâèòåëüñòâîì, ïîñòàâëåííûì Ñîåäèíåííûìè Øòàòàìè íà ìåñòî Ñàääàìà", - ãîâîðèòñÿ â ðåäàêöèîííîé ñòàòüå.

Ïàðëàìåíòñêîãî ðàññëåäîâàíèÿ ïî íàðóøåíèÿì, äîïóùåííûì ÑØÀ íà âîéíå â Èðàêå, íå âåäåòñÿ, è ãëàâíîìó èíñïåêòîðó ÎÎÍ ïî âîïðîñàì ïûòîê Ìàíôðåäó Íîâàêó îñòàåòñÿ òîëüêî ïðèçûâàòü Áàðàêà Îáàìó ê ïðîâåäåíèþ ïîëíîìàñøòàáíîãî ðàññëåäîâàíèÿ. Ýòîò ïðèçûâ, êàê îáû÷íî, áóäåò ïðîèãíîðèðîâàí, ïîëàãàåò èçäàíèå, íî Íîâàê ïðàâ, íàçûâàÿ ðàññëåäîâàíèå ïðè÷àñòíîñòè âîîðóæåííûõ ñèë ÑØÀ ê ïûòêàì çàêîííîé è ìîðàëüíîé îáÿçàííîñòüþ. Ïóáëèêàöèÿ âîçìîæíûõ ñâèäåòåëüñòâ ïðè÷àñòíîñòè ê ïûòêàì íå ÿâëÿåòñÿ áåçîòâåòñòâåííûì è ïðèñòðàñòíûì äåëîì, ýòî - äîëã, óáåæäåíî áðèòàíñêîå èçäàíèå.

Ìåæäó òåì æóðíàëèñò The Guardian Èýí Êîáåéí ïðîàíàëèçèðîâàë ðóêîâîäñòâà áðèòàíñêîé àðìèè ïî âåäåíèþ äîïðîñîâ. " ó÷åáíûõ ìàòåðèàëàõ, ñîñòàâëåííûõ ïîä ïîêðîâîì ñåêðåòíîñòè â ïîñëåäíèå ãîäû, ñîîáùàåòñÿ, ÷òî íà äîïðîñå ñëåäîâàòåëè äîëæíû ñòàðàòüñÿ ñïðîâîöèðîâàòü ó ïëåííûõ ÷óâñòâà óíèæåííîñòè, íåóâåðåííîñòè, äåçîðèåíòàöèè, ïåðåóòîìëåíèÿ, òðåâîãè è ñòðàõà, ðåêîìåíäóåòñÿ, êàêèìè ïðàêòè÷åñêèìè ñïîñîáàìè ýòîãî ìîæíî äîñòè÷ü", - ãîâîðèòñÿ â ñòàòüå.

Ñåé÷àñ ìåòîäû áðèòàíñêèõ âîåííûõ, èñïîëüçóåìûå ïðè àðåñòàõ è äîïðîñàõ, ïîäâåðãàþòñÿ âñå áîëüøåé êðèòèêå, ïðîäîëæàåò êîððåñïîíäåíò.  íîÿáðå â Âûñîêîì ñóäå Ëîíäîíà àäâîêàòû áîëåå 100 èðàêöåâ, êîòîðûå áûëè àðåñòîâàíû è äîïðîøåíû áðèòàíñêèìè âîåííûìè, áóäóò óòâåðæäàòü, ÷òî èõ äîâåðèòåëåé ñèñòåìàòè÷åñêè ïûòàëè. Íà ñëóøàíèÿõ, êàê îæèäàåòñÿ, áóäåò óäåëÿòüñÿ áîëüøîå âíèìàíèå ó÷åáíîìó ïîäðàçäåëåíèþ Jsio, êîòîðîå ïðîâîäèëî â Èðàêå äîïðîñû èðàêöåâ. Ïî äàííûì ãàçåòû, îíî ñîäåðæàëî çàñåêðå÷åííûå öåíòðû äîïðîñîâ - Ãðóïïû îáúåäèíåííîé ïîëåâîé ðàçâåäêè (Jfits), êîòîðûå íàõîäèëèñü â ëàãåðÿõ âîåííîïëåííûõ, íî íå ïîä÷èíÿëèñü èõ àäìèíèñòðàöèè.

Íîâûå ïóáëèêàöèè WikiLeaks óáåäèòåëüíî èëëþñòðèðóþò êëîàêó èðàêñêîé âîéíû, ïðåäïðèíÿòîé ïî âñå ìåíåå ïîíÿòíûì ìîòèâàì è ïðîâîäèìîé ñ æåñòîêîñòüþ, íå èìåþùåé íè÷åãî îáùåãî ñ ðàñïðîñòðàíåíèåì äåìîêðàòèè, ïèøåò èñïàíñêàÿ El País. "Åñëè äî ñèõ ïîð ñàìûì óáåäèòåëüíûì àðãóìåíòîì ïðîòèâ âòîðæåíèÿ áûëî óòâåðæäåíèå, ÷òî íåëüçÿ íàâÿçûâàòü ñâîáîäû ñ ïîìîùüþ îðóæèÿ, òî íîâûå óòå÷êè WikiLeaks çàñòàâëÿþò äîáàâèòü: òåì áîëåå íåëüçÿ äåëàòü ýòî ñ ïîìîùüþ ïûòîê, íàñèëèÿ è óáèéñòâà ìèðíûõ æèòåëåé. Òàêàÿ öåëü, êàê äåìîêðàòèÿ, íå îïðàâäûâàåò ïîäîáíûõ îòâðàòèòåëüíûõ ñðåäñòâ", - ïîä÷åðêèâàåò ãàçåòà.

Íå âñå ýòè áåñ÷èíñòâà ñîâåðøåíû àìåðèêàíñêèìè âîåííûìè, íî ýòîò ôàêò íå ìîæåò ñëóæèòü äàæå ñëàáûì óòåøåíèåì, "ïîòîìó ÷òî èçâðàùåííûé ìåõàíèçì, ñîçäàííûé ïîñëå âòîðæåíèÿ, çàêëþ÷àëñÿ â òîì, ÷òîáû îñòàâëÿòü âñþ ãðÿçíóþ, åñëè íå ñêàçàòü ïðåñòóïíóþ, ðàáîòó èðàêñêèì âîéñêàì, êîòîðûì áûëà ãàðàíòèðîâàíà áåçíàêàçàííîñòü â îòñóòñòâèå êàêîãî-ëèáî ðàññëåäîâàíèÿ".

Ïîìèìî ïîëèòè÷åñêèõ ïîñëåäñòâèé ýòîé óòå÷êè, âñòàåò ïðîáëåìà þðèäè÷åñêèõ ïîñëåäñòâèé: ïðàêòè÷åñêè âñå îïèñàííûå â îïóáëèêîâàííûõ äîêóìåíòàõ äåéñòâèÿ ïðîòèâîðå÷àò æåíåâñêèì êîíâåíöèÿì, óêàçûâàåò ãàçåòà. Îðãàíèçàöèÿ Îáúåäèíåííûõ Íàöèé, íå îäîáðèâøàÿ âòîðæåíèå, íî ïðèçíàâøàÿ îêêóïàöèþ Èðàêà, îáÿçàíà äàòü îòâåò íàðàâíå ñ ÑØÀ, ñ÷èòàåò èçäàíèå.

"Ñàìàÿ íåñïðàâåäëèâàÿ âîéíà íîâåéøåé èñòîðèè âåëàñü ìåòîäàìè, î÷åðíÿþùèìè ëþáóþ ïðè÷èíó ýòîé âîéíû. Òàêîâ óæàñàþùåé èòîã àâàíòþðû, î êîòîðîé äàæå ñåãîäíÿ åå ãëàâíûå èíèöèàòîðû ãîâîðÿò ñ ãîðäîñòüþ", - ðåçþìèðóåò èçäàíèå.
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A la guerre comme a la guerre èëè âòîðàÿ ðåäàêöèÿ Çàáóãîðíîâà


: Zabougornov (, 26 2010, 15:12:56), 1
Zabougornov
Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
: 12000
: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 26 2010, 14:45:47     :

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/oct/26/editorial-wikileaks-iraq-war-logs
Iraq war logs: When torture becomes routine

It is not irresponsible or partisan for Wikileaks to publish possible evidence of complicity in torture

Every time WikiLeaks puts facts into the public domain, first about the war in Afghanistan and now about Iraq, it is accused of partisanship and irresponsibility. The US defence secretary, Robert Gates, said on 29 July that the release of 90,000 classified documents about the war in Afghanistan endangered Afghan lives. Little more than two weeks later, Gates admitted in a letter to Carl Levin, chairman of the Senate armed services committee, that the disclosures did not reveal any significant national intelligence secrets. The Pentagon's review had not to date "revealed any sensitive intelligence sources and methods compromised by this disclosure". This does not stop the same charge being made now about the release of almost 400,000 US documents on Iraq.

Many attempts were made to justify the invasion of Iraq, but one of the most frequently and cynically used was that, irrespective of the absence of weapons of mass destruction, putting an end to the barbarities of Saddam Hussein's regime was a moral imperative. Well, now there is chapter and verse, from ringside seats, on the systematic use of torture by the Iraqi government that the US installed in Saddam's place. The worst practices of Saddam's regime did not apparently die with him, and whereas numerous logs show members of the coalition making genuine attempts to stop torture in Iraqi custody, it is clear their efforts were both patchy and half-hearted. In the worst incidents, one can only reasonably conclude that one set of torturers and thugs has been replaced by another.

Only this lot had, and still has, political cover: the cover of Frago 242, a "fragmentary order" which ordered coalition troops not to investigate any breach of the laws of armed conflict, such as abuse of detainees, unless it directly involved members of the coalition; the cover of all those reports that end with the conclusion "No further investigation"; the cover of the pretence that the US does not keep records of civilians killed. This last claim is flatly contradicted by the war logs, which show there were more than 109,000 violent deaths between 2004 and the end of 2009, a tally which, according to Iraq Body Count, includes 15,000 previously unreported civilian deaths.

Iraq is not Barack Obama's war. He is not George Bush, but there are circumstances, like these, in which his administration is behaving as if he were. Continuing reports of detainee abuse in post-conflict Iraq are plainly not in the interests of a country that will continue to station tens of thousands of troops in Iraq as mentors and advisers. The response to the publication of the war logs by the Iraqi government has been twofold – rage from Nouri al-Maliki's office, which accused WikiLeaks of trying to sabotage the incumbent prime minister's bid to form a new government, and the standard assurance that the interior ministry would follow up all reports of human rights violations. Of the two, the first is more credible. Why should Iraqi authorities be so much more eager to preserve evidence of the crimes committed by their troops than the US is to prosecute its own alleged criminals? Prosecutions of those involved in the unprovoked shooting spree by Blackwater Worldwide in a Baghdad square in which 17 Iraqis were killed, are collapsing. The battlefield may not be a place that lends itself to the preservation of evidence, but sheer lack of official interest is infectious.

There is no ongoing congressional inquiry into US abuses in the Iraq war, and that left the United Nations chief investigator on torture, Manfred Nowak, to call on Mr Obama to order a full investigation. This will be ignored, as it usually is, but Nowak is right when he says the administration has a legal and moral obligation to investigate credible claims of US forces' complicity in torture. It is not irresponsible or partisan to publish possible evidence of complicity in torture. It is a duty to do so.
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A la guerre comme a la guerre èëè âòîðàÿ ðåäàêöèÿ Çàáóãîðíîâà
Zabougornov
Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
: 12000
: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 26 2010, 14:51:37     :

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/oct/25/iraq-torture-no-secret
Iraq war logs: These crimes were not secret, they were tolerated

Why did we not investigate allegations of murder and torture in Iraq at the time, when it was well known what was going on?

Iraqi soldiers guard a blindfolded detainee during an operation outside Baquba, north of Baghdad Iraqi soldiers guard a blindfolded detainee during an operation outside Baquba, north of Baghdad. Photograph: AFP/Getty Images

The most shocking of the revelations in the current batch of leaked Iraq war logs is that most of the acts of torture and murder were committed in the open. They weren't secret. They were tolerated, sanitised – justified, even. Take the Wolf Brigade, the 2nd battalion of the interior ministry's special commandos. Everybody knew about them. You would see them in their pick-up trucks wearing balaclavas. When there was a sectarian murder people would talk about the wolves, until they became a shorthand to describe a certain kind of cruel violence. The wolf commandos became killers in the uniform of the Iraqi police.

I recall speaking to UN human rights investigators, western police advisers, diplomats and army officers about what was going on. In 2005 an Iraqi government official confirmed a list of places where she believed torture and murder were taking place. A British police mentor described entering the office of a notorious figure at the interior ministry and found a man with a bag over his head standing in the corner of the office.

Some of us who covered Iraq wrote about what we found. In summer 2005, I described the operation of the torture squads. Human rights organisations prepared their own reports. But nothing very much happened, except excuses.

When the bodies started turning up in western Baghdad in 2004, the official line was that it was former Ba'athists who were being killed. Like the looting that occurred in the aftermath of the fall of Iraq, it was "understood." The victims probably deserved it, was the unspoken intimation. Officials, British and American, were really not that bothered.

Later, when it was men in police uniforms who were doing the killing, reported in the Iraqi papers day after day, the official line was "anyone could buy a uniform" or that these were difficult times and there would be "bad apples".

But they weren't bad apples. I spoke to people who had been taken to the interior ministry and heard the screams. One day a DVD was brought to me of a former interview subject who had been tortured to death after being taken by men in uniform. Like others, I wrote up what I knew. But nothing much ever happened.

It's true that when things sometimes became too embarrassing – too obvious – a local police chief implicated in killings might be removed or officials at the ministry re-organised. But the murder continued. There was a new excuse: the police had been infiltrated by Shia extremists. Which was true, up to a point. Except it wasn't really infiltration, more of an alliance in many places: a coincidence of sectarian interest.

Sometimes I would come across soldiers who would intervene. One day, at the Ministry of the Interior, a group of American soldiers arrived to free some men who were being abused in a facility called the "guest house" which was being guarded by other American soldiers. An argument between two US officers ensued. The beaten Iraqis were released.

Sometimes it was an awful game. In 2007, I was embedded with a US unit in Baghdad, tasked to go after some Shia militiamen suspected of attacking Sunnis. The rules then required an Iraqi police escort. The chief of police found excuses for over an hour to prevent the raid commencing. Everybody knew that the targets were being warned off by the police – or suspected it at least. But nothing much happened except some grumbles at the wasted time. And it is this that makes me angry now when I hear UN officials and politicians, after the event, calling for inquiries. Yes, there we things we didn't know: about the US order not to investigate allegations of murder and torture; the evidence of collaboration. And yes, an inquiry is an absolute necessity. But why now, not then? For who in Iraq did not know about the killing and torture? About the police death squads? About nothing ever really happening to halt it when we had a chance? Investigate, by all means – but it is too late.
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: 06.03.2005
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: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 26 2010, 14:52:46     :

Îòëè÷íûé âîïðîñ! Ãëàâíîå - âîâðåìÿ. Áó-ãà-ãà!
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Why did we not investigate allegations of murder and torture in Iraq at the time, when it was well known what was going on?

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: 06.03.2005
: 12000
: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 26 2010, 15:01:08     :

È îòëè÷íûé îòâåò! È ñíîâà âîâðåìÿ. Áó-ãà-ãà!
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...And yes, an inquiry is an absolute necessity. But why now, not then? For who in Iraq did not know about the killing and torture? About the police death squads? About nothing ever really happening to halt it when we had a chance? Investigate, by all means – but it is too late...

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: 06.03.2005
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: , 26 2010, 15:08:12     :

Äà-à..... Ñëàâíî íàìîëîòèëè (ñ)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/torture
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: , 10 2014, 21:01:41     :

http://www.inopressa.ru/article/10dec2014/inotheme/report_obzor.html
ÑÌÈ ïðèçûâàþò Àìåðèêó èçâëå÷ü óðîêè èç "òîøíîòâîðíîãî" äîêëàäà ÖÐÓ

Ñåíàò ÑØÀ îïóáëèêîâàë äîêëàä î ïðîãðàììå ÖÐÓ, â õîäå êîòîðîé ïðåäïîëàãàåìûõ òåððîðèñòîâ õâàòàëè çà ãðàíèöåé, äåðæàëè â òàéíûõ òþðüìàõ âíå ÑØÀ è ïîäâåðãàëè äîïðîñàì, ñðàâíèìûì ñî ñðåäíåâåêîâûìè ïûòêàìè. Ïîäðîáíîñòè î "äîïðîñàõ ñ ïðèñòðàñòèåì" ÑÌÈ íàçûâàþò "ïîçîðîì Àìåðèêè", íî ïîä÷åðêèâàþò: èõ îáíàðîäîâàíèå îòëè÷àåò íåèñïðàâèìûå ðåæèìû îò äåìîêðàòèè, êîòîðàÿ, äàæå çàáëóäèâøèñü, ãîòîâà èçâëåêàòü èç ýòîãî óðîêè.

"Àìåðèêàíöàì äàâíî áûëî èçâåñòíî, ÷òî ïîñëå 11 ñåíòÿáðÿ ÖÐÓ ïîäâåðãàëî ïîäîçðåâàåìûõ â òåððîðèçìå áåñ÷åëîâå÷íîìó è óíèçèòåëüíîìó îáðàùåíèþ, ðàâíîñèëüíîìó ïûòêàì.  îïóáëèêîâàííîì âî âòîðíèê äîêëàäå ñåíàòñêîé êîìèññèè ïî ðàçâåäêå äîêóìåíòàëüíî çàñâèäåòåëüñòâîâàíû ýòè âîçìóòèòåëüíûå äåéñòâèÿ â òîøíîòâîðíûõ ïîäðîáíîñòÿõ, à êðîìå òîãî, îïèñàíû íîâûå îñêîðáëåíèÿ ÷åëîâå÷åñêîãî äîñòîèíñòâà, ãðàíè÷àùèå ñ ïîðíîãðàôèåé", - ãîâîðèòñÿ â ðåäàêöèîííîé ñòàòüå The Los Angeles Times.

 äîêëàäå ñäåëàíû âûâîäû, ÷òî "ìåòîäû äîïðîñà ñ ïðèñòðàñòèåì" íå âûÿâèëè êàêîé-ëèáî ñóùåñòâåííî âàæíîé èíôîðìàöèè, à ìàñøòàá è ýôôåêòèâíîñòü ïðîãðàììû áûëè íåîäíîêðàòíî ïðåäñòàâëåíû â ëîæíîì ñâåòå Áåëîìó äîìó è Êîíãðåññó, ïî ðàñïîðÿæåíèþ êîòîðûõ îíà îñóùåñòâëÿëàñü, îòìå÷àþò æóðíàëèñòû.

Ðåàãèðóÿ íà ïóáëèêàöèþ äîêëàäà, ãîññåêðåòàðü ÑØÀ Äæîí Êåððè îòìåòèë, ÷òî ïðåçèäåíò Îáàìà "ïåðåâåðíóë ñòðàíèöó â ýòîé ïîëèòèêå, êîãäà îí âñòóïèë â äîëæíîñòü". Ðåäàêöèÿ êîììåíòèðóåò: "Íî áóäóò äðóãèå ïðåçèäåíòû è äðóãèå êðèçèñû, êîòîðûå ìîãóò ïîáóæäàòü èõ ñìîòðåòü ñêâîçü ïàëüöû íà íàðóøåíèå ïðàâ ÷åëîâåêà âî èìÿ íàöèîíàëüíîé áåçîïàñíîñòè. Äëÿ íèõ è äëÿ âñåõ íàñ ýòîò äîêëàä - õîòÿ è òÿæåë, íî îáÿçàòåëåí ê ïðî÷òåíèþ".

Ðåäàêöèÿ The Washington Post ïóáëèêóåò â áëîãå ãàçåòû 10 âûäåðæåê èç äîêëàäà, êîòîðûå, íà âçãëÿä æóðíàëèñòîâ, âûçûâàþò ñèëüíåéøèé øîê.

1.  äîêëàäå ñêàçàíî: "26 èç 119 àðåñòîâàííûõ ÖÐÓ, óïîìÿíóòûõ â íàøåì äîêëàäå, íå îòâå÷àëè êðèòåðèþ äëÿ àðåñòà". "Îäèí èç íèõ - Àáó Õóäõàéôà, êîòîðîãî îáëèâàëè ëåäÿíîé âîäîé è çàñòàâèëè 66 ÷àñîâ ïðîñòîÿòü áåç ñíà, à çàòåì îòïóñòèëè, òàê êàê ÖÐÓ îáíàðóæèëî, ÷òî îí, âåðîÿòíî, íå áûë òåì, çà êîãî åãî ïðèíèìàëè", - ïèøóò àâòîðû äîêóìåíòà.

2. Ïðåçèäåíò Áóø âûñëóøàë ïåðâûé äîêëàä î òàê íàçûâàåìûõ "óñîâåðøåíñòâîâàííûõ ìåòîäàõ äîïðîñîâ" ñïóñòÿ ÷åòûðå ãîäà ïîñëå íà÷àëà ïðîãðàììû, 8 àïðåëÿ 2006 ãîäà. Ñîãëàñíî äîêóìåíòàì ÖÐÓ, Áóø "âûðàçèë áåñïîêîéñòâî â ñâÿçè ñ "èçîáðàæåíèåì àðåñòîâàííîãî, ïðèêîâàííîãî ê ïîòîëêó, îäåòîãî â ïàìïåðñ è âûíóæäåííîãî õîäèòü â òóàëåò ïîä ñåáÿ".

3. ÖÐÓ ïðèìåíèëî ìåòîäû êîðìëåíèÿ è ðåãèäðàòàöèè ÷åðåç ïðÿìóþ êèøêó êàê ìèíèìóì ê ïÿòè óçíèêàì. Òàê, àðåñòîâàííîãî Ìàäæèäà Õàíà, êîòîðûé ïðåäïðèíÿë ñåðèþ ãîëîäîâîê è ïîïûòîê èçóâå÷èòü ñåáÿ, êîðìèëè ÷åðåç íîñ è äåëàëè åìó âíóòðèâåííûå âëèâàíèÿ, íî ÷åðåç òðè íåäåëè ÖÐÓ ðàçðàáîòàëî "ðåæèì ëå÷åíèÿ "áåç íåíóæíûõ ðàçãîâîðîâ", è Ìàäæèä Õàí "áûë ïîäâåðãíóò ïðèíóäèòåëüíîìó ðåêòàëüíîìó êîðìëåíèþ è ðåêòàëüíîé ãèäðàòàöèè".

4. "Ñîòðóäíèêè ÖÐÓ óãðîæàëè íå ìåíåå òðåì àðåñòîâàííûì, ÷òî ïðè÷èíÿò óùåðá èõ ñåìüÿì.  òîì ÷èñëå áûëè óãðîçû ïðè÷èíèòü âðåä äåòÿì íåêîãî àðåñòîâàííîãî, óãðîçû ñåêñóàëüíîãî íàäðóãàòåëüñòâà íàä ìàòåðüþ íåêîãî àðåñòîâàííîãî è óãðîçà "ïåðåðåçàòü ãëîòêó ìàòåðè" àðåñòîâàííîãî", - ñêàçàíî â äîêëàäå.

5. ÖÐÓ çàäåðæàëî äâóõ ãðàæäàí íåíàçâàííîãî èíîñòðàííîãî ãîñóäàðñòâà. "Èõ ëèøàëè ñíà, èõ ðàöèîíîì ïèòàíèÿ ìàíèïóëèðîâàëè, ïîêà ÖÐÓ íå óäîñòîâåðèëîñü, ÷òî äî ýòîãî àðåñòîâàííûå íåñêîëüêî íåäåëü ïûòàëèñü ñâÿçàòüñÿ ñ ÖÐÓ, ÷òîáû ïðîèíôîðìèðîâàòü î ïðèáëèæàþùèõñÿ òåðàêòàõ "Àëü-Êàèäû", - ñêàçàíî â äîêëàäå. ÖÐÓ óñòàíîâèëî, ÷òî àðåñòîâàëî èõ íàïðàñíî, íî ïðîäåðæàëî èõ ïîä ñòðàæåé åùå íåñêîëüêî ìåñÿöåâ.

6. Àðåñòîâàííûé Àáó Çóáàéäà ïðîâåë 266 ÷àñîâ â çàòî÷åíèè â ÿùèêå âåëè÷èíîé ñ ãðîá, à òàêæå "29 ÷àñîâ â ìàëîì áîêñå øèðèíîé 21 äþéì, ãëóáèíîé 2,5 ôóòà è âûñîòîé 2,5 ôóòà" (53õ76õ76 ñì).

7. Õàëèäà Øåéêà Ìîõàììåäà 183 ðàçà ïîäâåðãàëè âîòåðáîðäèíãó, ïûòêå âîäîé. Â äîêëàäå íàïèñàíî, íàïðèìåð: "Âî âðåìÿ ïåðâîãî èç òðåõ ñåàíñîâ âîòåðáîðäèíãà â òîò äåíü ñîòðóäíèêè ðåàãèðîâàëè íà ïîïûòêè ÊØÌ äûøàòü âî âðåìÿ ñåàíñîâ, óäåðæèâàÿ åãî ãóáû è íàïðàâëÿÿ âîäó ê åãî ðòó".

8. Ñåíàòñêèé êîìèòåò îáíàðóæèë ôîòîãðàôèþ ïðåäïîëàãàåìîãî óñòðîéñòâà äëÿ âîòåðáîðäèíãà íà îáúåêòå, ãäå î ïðèìåíåíèè ýòîãî ìåòîäà íå ðàïîðòîâàëè.

9. Îäèí èç 26 àðåñòîâàííûõ, çàäåðæàííûõ áåçîñíîâàòåëüíî, èìåë "ïîíèæåííûé èíòåëëåêò". Ñîòðóäíèêè ÖÐÓ çàñíÿëè åãî ïëà÷ íà âèäåî è èñïîëüçîâàëè âèäåîçàïèñü äëÿ äàâëåíèÿ íà îäíîãî èç åãî ðîäñòâåííèêîâ.

10. Ñîòðóäíèêè ÖÐÓ "ðàçäåâàëè àðåñòîâàííûõ äîãîëà, çàñòàâëÿëè ñòîÿòü â êàíäàëàõ äî 72 ÷àñîâ è íåîäíîêðàòíî îáëèâàëè õîëîäíîé âîäîé".  äîêëàäå ïîÿñíÿåòñÿ, ÷òî ñîòðóäíèêè ìîãëè äåëàòü âñå ýòî áåç îäîáðåíèÿ øòàá-êâàðòèðû ÖÐÓ.

Äîêëàä Ñåíàòà î "ìåòîäàõ äîïðîñà", ïðèìåíÿâøèõñÿ â ÑØÀ ïîñëå 11 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2001 ãîäà è âêëþ÷àâøèõ èíñöåíèðîâêè óòîïëåíèÿ ïîäîçðåâàåìûõ, ëèøåíèå ñíà âïëîòü äî 180 ÷àñîâ, óêëàäûâàíèå â ãðîáû è äðóãèå ñðåäíåâåêîâûå ïûòêè, íàãëÿäíî ïîêàçàë, êàê "Àìåðèêà èçìåíÿëà ñàìîé ñåáå è ñâîèì öåííîñòÿì", ïèøåò Ìàðêóñ Ôåëüäåíêèðõåí â Der Spiegel.

Âîâñå íå èñëàìèñòû è íå àíòèàìåðèêàíèñòû â Åâðîïå è äðóãèõ ÷àñòÿõ ñâåòà âèíîâàòû â òîì, ÷òî ñåãîäíÿ ïîïóëÿðíîñòü Àìåðèêè óïàëà äî èñòîðè÷åñêîãî ìèíèìóìà, - âèíîâàòà ñàìà Àìåðèêà, ïèøåò æóðíàëèñò. "Ýòî äåëî ðóê ÖÐÓ è ÀÍÁ, ïûòàâøèõ ëþäåé è ñîçäàâøèõ ñèñòåìó òîòàëüíîé ñëåæêè, íåìûñëèìîé â ñâîáîäíîì îáùåñòâå". Ôåëüäåíêèðõåí ñ÷èòàåò "âòîðîñòåïåííûì" âîïðîñ, ïðîèñõîäèëî ëè ýòî ïî ïîðó÷åíèþ àäìèíèñòðàöèè ÑØÀ èëè ñîòðóäíèêè ñïåöñëóæá íå äîêëàäûâàëè î ïîäðîáíîñòÿõ ïðàâèòåëüñòâó: â ëþáîì ñëó÷àå äóõîâíûìè îòöàìè ïðîèñõîäèâøåãî áûëè ïðåçèäåíò Äæîðäæ Áóø è åãî çàì Äèê ×åéíè.

Àâòîð ñòàòüè óáåæäåí: "Ãîñóäàðñòâî, ïðîïàãàíäèðóþùåå ñâîáîäíûå öåííîñòè è ïðåòåíäóþùåå íà ýòîì îñíîâàíèè íà âåäóùóþ ðîëü â ìèðå, îáÿçàíî îáðàùàòüñÿ ñ ïðåñòóïíèêàìè èíà÷å, íåæåëè ãîñóäàðñòâà-íåãîäÿè". Ê ñîæàëåíèþ, "ãîñóäàðñòâà âðîäå Ðîññèè, Êèòàÿ, Èðàíà, êîòîðûì íàäîåëî, ÷òî Çàïàä ïîñòîÿííî ÷èòàåò èì íðàâîó÷åíèÿ î ïðàâàõ ÷åëîâåêà è äåìîêðàòèè, âîñïîëüçóþòñÿ ýòèì äîêëàäîì äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû ïîêàçàòü, ÷òî ìåæäó íèìè è Çàïàäîì íåò íèêàêîé ðàçíèöû", ñåòóåò àâòîð.

Ïðè ýòîì ðàçíèöà íàëèöî, îíà îãðîìíà, è äîêàçûâàåò ýòî òîò æå ñàìûé äîêëàä, ïèøåò Ôåëüäåíêèðõåí: íè â îäíîé èç óïîìÿíóòûõ ñòðàí íåâîçìîæíî ïðåäñòàâèòü, ÷òîáû êîìèòåò ñâîáîäíî èçáðàííîãî ïàðëàìåíòà ðàññëåäîâàë íàðóøåíèÿ âëàñòåé è îòêðûòî ïóáëèêîâàë äàííûå. Âîçìîæíî, ýòî îáñòîÿòåëüñòâî è åñòü òî, ÷òî îòëè÷àåò íåèñïðàâèìûå ðåæèìû îò äåìîêðàòèè, êîòîðàÿ, äàæå çàáëóäèâøèñü, ãîòîâà èçâëåêàòü èç ýòîãî óðîêè.

Âñêîðå ïîñëå òåðàêòîâ 11 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2001 ãîäà â ðàñïîðÿæåíèå ÖÐÓ íà÷àëè ïîñòóïàòü ïëåííûå, è äàâíî èçâåñòíî, ÷òî íåêîòîðûå èç íèõ ïîäâåðãëèñü ïûòêàì, íî äîêëàä Ñåíàòà ÑØÀ, ãäå îïèñàíû "îìåðçèòåëüíûå êðàéíîñòè", ïî âûðàæåíèþ The Washington Post, áûë ðàññåêðå÷åí òîëüêî 9 äåêàáðÿ.

Ãàçåòà ïîëàãàåò, ÷òî ìåòîäû äîïðîñîâ áûëè íåîïðàâäàííûìè, à ïðåçèäåíò Áóø è Êîíãðåññ íàïðàñíî "ìèðèëèñü ñ ýòèì âàðâàðñòâîì". "Àìåðèêàíöû íå äîëæíû òàê ïîñòóïàòü. Íèêîãäà", - ãîâîðèòñÿ â ðåäàêöèîííîé ñòàòüå.

 äîêëàäå Ñåíàòà óòâåðæäàåòñÿ, ÷òî ïûòêè - íåýôôåêòèâíûé ñïîñîá ïîëó÷åíèÿ ðàçâåääàííûõ. Ñî ñâîåé ñòîðîíû, ãàçåòà çàÿâëÿåò: "Ïûòêè - ýòî íåïðàâèëüíî, è íåâàæíî, áûëè ëè îíè êîãäà-ëèáî "ýôôåêòèâíû".

Ãàçåòà íå ñïîðèò ñ óòâåðæäåíèÿìè, ÷òî ïóáëèêàöèÿ äîêëàäà ìîæåò ïîäîãðåòü àíòèàìåðèêàíñêèå íàñòðîåíèÿ. "Íî â äîëãîñðî÷íîé ïåðñïåêòèâå ÑØÀ âûèãðàþò, åñëè ïðîäåìîíñòðèðóþò âåðíîñòü òðàíñïàðåíòíîñòè è ñàìîêðèòèêå, à òàêæå, ÷òî âñåãî âàæíåå, ïîêëÿíóòñÿ íèêîãäà íå ïîâòîðÿòü ñâîèõ îøèáîê, äîïóùåííûõ ïîñëå 11 ñåíòÿáðÿ".
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"Ìåíÿ âîçìóùàåò ëèöåìåðèå åâðîïåéöåâ"

Ïî ñëîâàì áûâøåãî ãåíïðîêóðîðà êàíòîíà Òè÷èíî Äèêà Ìàðòè, Øâåéöàðèÿ òàêæå ïðè÷àñòíà ê èñòîðèè î òàéíûõ àìåðèêàíñêèõ òþðüìàõ íà òåððèòîðèè Åâðîïû, ïèøåò Áîðèñ Ìàáèëëàð â ìàòåðèàëå, îïóáëèêîâàííîì â ãàçåòå Le Temps.

Áûâøèé ñîâåòíèê Ñîâåòà êàíòîíîâ (âåðõíÿÿ ïàëàòà ïàðëàìåíòà Øâåéöàðèè. - Ïðèì. ðåä.), ÷ëåí Ëèáåðàëüíîé ïàðòèè Äèê Ìàðòè, â ïðîøëîì ãåíåðàëüíûé ïðîêóðîð â Áåëëèíöîíå, ïåðâûì çàãîâîðèë î òàéíûõ òþðüìàõ ÖÐÓ. Ïî ïîðó÷åíèþ Ñîâåòà Åâðîïû â 2005 ãîäó îí ïðèñòóïèë ê ðàññëåäîâàíèþ íåëåãàëüíîé äåÿòåëüíîñòè àìåðèêàíñêèõ ñåêðåòíûõ ñëóæá íà òåððèòîðèè Åâðîïû. Ðåçóëüòàòû ðàññëåäîâàíèÿ ñíà÷àëà âûçûâàëè óäèâëåíèå, ïîòîì íåãîäîâàíèå. Íî ãëàâíûå çàèíòåðåñîâàííûå ëèöà â ÑØÀ è èõ ñîîáùíèêè â Åâðîïå óïîðíî âñå îòðèöàëè, ïðåæäå ÷åì îçâó÷èòü ïîëóïðàâäó. Ïóáëèêàöèÿ äîêëàäà î ïûòêàõ, êàê íàçûâàåò àâòîð ñòàòüè äîêëàä Ñåíàòà ÑØÀ, ëèøü ïîäòâåðæäàåò ïðàâîòó Äèêà Ìàðòè.

"Íà ïåðâûé âçãëÿä ìîæåò ïîêàçàòüñÿ óæàñíûì, ÷òî ïðàâèòåëüñòâî ïðîëèâàåò ñâåò íà íåêóþ íåçàêîííóþ äåÿòåëüíîñòü ñâîèõ ñïåöñëóæá. Íî ðàçâå íå ýòîé ìàëîñòè ñëåäóåò æäàòü îò ïðàâèòåëüñòâà äåìîêðàòè÷åñêîé ñòðàíû? ß ïðèâåòñòâóþ äåìàðø Áàðàêà Îáàìû, íî ÿ ñîæàëåþ, ÷òî ïîòðåáîâàëîñü 10 ëåò, ïðåæäå ÷åì àìåðèêàíñêîå ãîñóäàðñòâî ïðèçíàëî ñâîè îøèáêè. Òåïåðü àíàëîãè÷íûì îáðàçîì äîëæíû ïîñòóïèòü è åâðîïåéöû", - ãîâîðèò áûâøèé ïðîêóðîð.

"Åùå ïðåäñòîèò âûÿñíèòü ðåàëüíóþ ðîëü, êîòîðóþ ñûãðàëè íåêîòîðûå åâðîïåéñêèå ãîñóäàðñòâà. Ìíîãèå èç íèõ ïðîäîëæàþò îòðèöàòü î÷åâèäíîå è ñêðûâàòü ôàêòû. Ñòîèò íàïîìíèòü, ÷òî ïîñëå 11 ñåíòÿáðÿ ÑØÀ îáðàòèëèñü ê ñîþçíèêàì ïî ÍÀÒÎ çà ïîìîùüþ, ñîñëàâøèñü íà ñòàòüþ 5 Óñòàâà Ñåâåðîàòëàíòè÷åñêîãî àëüÿíñà. Ìèíèñòðû è ðóêîâîäèòåëè ñïåöñëóæá çàêëþ÷èëè ñîãëàøåíèÿ ñî ñâîèìè àìåðèêàíñêèìè êîëëåãàìè â íàðóøåíèå íàöèîíàëüíûõ çàêîíîäàòåëüñòâ è ïîä óñëîâèåì ñåêðåòíîñòè", - ñîîáùèë ýìèññàð Ñîâåòà Åâðîïû.

"Ñîåäèíåííûå Øòàòû ðåøèëè íàðóøèòü ïðàâà ÷åëîâåêà, à åâðîïåéöû, îõîòíî ðàçãëàãîëüñòâóþùèå î ïðàâàõ ÷åëîâåêà, ðàñòîïòàëè ïðèíöèïû, êîòîðûå îíè ÿêîáû çàùèùàþò. Ýòî ëèöåìåðèå ìåíÿ âîçìóùàåò, - ïîä÷åðêíóë Äèê Ìàðòè. - Âàøèíãòîí çàÿâèë, ÷òî áîëüøå íåëüçÿ ãîâîðèòü î ïðàâîñóäèè, ïîñêîëüêó èäåò âîéíà ñ òåððîðèçìîì. Íî ÑØÀ òàêæå îòêàçàëèñü ñëåäîâàòü Æåíåâñêèì êîíâåíöèÿì. Ïðèìåíÿÿ íåçàêîííûå ìåòîäû äëÿ áîðüáû ñ òåððîðèñòàìè, ÑØÀ è èõ ñîþçíèêè ïðèäàëè çàêîííîñòü äåéñòâèÿì ïðåñòóïíèêîâ, òîãäà êàê íàäî áûòü áåçóïðå÷íûì, ÷òîáû áîðîòüñÿ ñ êðèìèíàëîì".

Ïî ñëîâàì Ìàðòè, Øâåéöàðèÿ òàêæå ïðè÷àñòíà ê ýòîé íåçàêîííîé äåÿòåëüíîñòè, íî â ìèíèìàëüíîé ñòåïåíè. "Ñàìîëåòû ÑØÀ ïðèçåìëÿëèñü â Øâåéöàðèè èëè ïðîëåòàëè íàä åå òåððèòîðèåé. ß âûÿñíèë, ÷òî çà âåñü èíòåðåñóþùèé ïåðèîä áûëî ñîâåðøåíî 48 ïîäîçðèòåëüíûõ ïðîìåæóòî÷íûõ ïîñàäîê", - ñîîáùèë îí.
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Îò÷åò ïîêàçûâàåò íåýôôåêòèâíîå ÖÐÓ, ïðèâåðæåííîå ïðîâàëèâøåìóñÿ ïîäõîäó

Âî âòîðíèê áûëà îïóáëèêîâàíà âûæèìêà èç äîêëàäà êîìèòåòà ïî ðàçâåäêå Ñåíàòà ÑØÀ î ïðèìåíåíèè ïûòîê ÖÐÓ. Íà áîëåå ÷åì 500 ñòðàíèöàõ "èçîáðàæàåòñÿ ðàçðóøèòåëüíàÿ êàðòèíà àãåíòñòâà, ïëîõî ïîäãîòîâëåííîãî ê òîìó, ÷òîáû âçÿòü íà ñåáÿ çàäà÷ó äîïðîñà ïîäîçðåâàåìûõ â ïðè÷àñòíîñòè ê "Àëü-Êàèäå", çàïîðîâøåãî ðàáîòó è ïðèóêðàñèâøåãî ðåçóëüòàòû", ïèøåò æóðíàëèñò The New York Times Ñêîòò Øåéí. Îí îòìå÷àåò, ÷òî â îò÷åòå ìàëî ìåñòà óäåëÿåòñÿ îñóæäåíèþ ïûòîê ñ ìîðàëüíîé èëè ïðàâîâîé òî÷êè çðåíèÿ. "Ãëàâíûì îáðàçîì òàì ñòàâèòñÿ ïðàêòè÷åñêèé âîïðîñ: óäàëîñü ëè äîáèòüñÿ ÷åãî-òî çíà÷èìîãî çà ñ÷åò ïûòîê? Ðàññìàòðèâàÿ ñëó÷àé çà ñëó÷àåì, îò÷åò äàåò áåçîãîâîðî÷íî îòðèöàòåëüíûé îòâåò".

"Îôèöåðû ÖÐÓ ÷àñòî ñòàâèëè ïîä ñîìíåíèå ýôôåêòèâíîñòü óãëóáëåííûõ òåõíèê äîïðîñà àãåíòñòâà - ïî èõ îöåíêàì, èñïîëüçóÿ òàêîâûå, íå óäàëîñü äîáèòüñÿ îò çàêëþ÷åííûõ ñîòðóäíè÷åñòâà è ïîëó÷èòü äîñòîâåðíóþ èíôîðìàöèþ", - öèòèðóåò äîêëàä æóðíàëèñò. Îäíàêî íà÷àëüíèêè ïðèêàçàëè ïðîäîëæèòü èñïîëüçîâàíèå ýòèõ ìåòîäîâ è çàÿâèëè Êîíãðåññó, Áåëîìó Äîìó è æóðíàëèñòàì, ÷òî îíè ïðèíîñÿò áîëüøîé óñïåõ.

"Ïîìèìî ýòîãî ãëàâíîãî âûâîäà, ïîðàæàåò äåòàëüíûé îò÷åò î ïëîõîì óïðàâëåíèè ÖÐÓ", - ïðîäîëæàåò àâòîð. Êàê ñòîðîííèêîâ ïðèìåíåíèÿ ïûòîê, òàê è èõ ïðîòèâíèêîâ âîçãëàâëÿëè ëþäè c ïðîøëûì, êîòîðîå, ïî èäåå, äîëæíî áûëî ñâèäåòåëüñòâîâàòü î èõ íåïðèãîäíîñòè ê âûïîëíåíèþ ïîñòàâëåííîé çàäà÷è, ïèøåò Øåéí.  ïðîòèâîâåñ óòâåðæäåíèÿì ÖÐÓ, â äîêëàäå ñäåëàí âûâîä, ÷òî íå ïðîâîäèëîñü íèêàêîãî îòáîðà ñîòðóäíèêîâ, ïðèíèìàâøèõ ó÷àñòèå â äîïðîñàõ. "Êîìàíäû, çàíèìàâøèåñÿ äîïðîñàìè, âêëþ÷àëè ëþäåé, î êîòîðûõ èìåëàñü "âåñîìàÿ íåãàòèâíàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ": îäèí èç íèõ èìåë "ïðîáëåìû ñ óïðàâëåíèåì ãíåâîì íà ðàáî÷åì ìåñòå", äðóãîé, "ïî ñîîáùåíèÿì, ïðèçíàëñÿ â ñåêñóàëüíîì íàñèëèè", ïåðåäàåò àâòîð äàííûå èç äîêëàäà.

 íà÷àëüíûé ïåðèîä äåéñòâèÿ ïðîãðàììû ñåêðåòíûõ òþðåì ÖÐÓ, ñòàðòîâàâøåé â 2002 ãîäó, "ìëàäøèé îôèöåð, âïåðâûå ïîëó÷èâøèé çàäàíèå çà ãðàíèöåé" è íå èìåâøèé íèêàêîãî îïûòà â îáëàñòè òþðåì è äîïðîñîâ, áûë íàçíà÷åí îòâåòñòâåííûì çà òþðüìó ÖÐÓ â Àôãàíèñòàíå, èçâåñòíóþ êàê Ñîëò Ïèò (Salt Pit), õîòÿ ðàíåå äðóãèå îôèöåðû ÖÐÓ ïðåäëàãàëè íå äàâàòü åìó äîñòóïà ê çàñåêðå÷åííîé èíôîðìàöèè èç-çà "íåäîñòàòî÷íîé ÷åñòíîñòè, ðàññóäèòåëüíîñòè è çðåëîñòè", ïèøåò àâòîð, öèòèðóÿ îò÷åò.

Ïî ïðèêàçó ýòîãî ìëàäøåãî îôèöåðà çàêëþ÷åííûé ïî èìåíè Ãóë Ðàõìàí áûë ïðèêîâàí ïðàêòè÷åñêè îáíàæåííûì ê ñòåíå êàìåðû â Ñîë Ïèòå. Íà ñëåäóþùåå óòðî Ðàõìàíà îáíàðóæèëè ëåæàùèì íà ãîëîì áåòîííîì ïîëó: îí óìåð îò ïåðåîõëàæäåíèÿ. Òåì íå ìåíåå, ÷åòûðüìÿ ìåñÿöàìè ïîçæå ìëàäøåãî îôèöåðà ðåêîìåíäîâàëè ê ïîëó÷åíèþ ïðåìèè â ðàçìåðå 2,5 òûñ. äîëëàðîâ çà åãî "ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíî ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðàáîòó", ïåðåäàåò àâòîð èíôîðìàöèþ èç äîêëàäà.

Ïî ñëîâàì Øåéíà, â îò÷åòå òàêæå ãîâîðèòñÿ, ÷òî àãåíòñòâî íå çíàëî î âñåõ ñîäåðæàùèõñÿ ïîä ñòðàæåé ëþäÿõ. " êàáëîãðàììå îò äåêàáðÿ 2003 ãîäà â øòàá-êâàðòèðó ÖÐÓ èç îäíîé ñòðàíû, ãäå íàõîäèëàñü ñåêðåòíàÿ òþðüìà, åå íà÷àëüíèê ïèñàë: "Ìû ñäåëàëè òðåâîæíîå îòêðûòèå, ÷òî ó íàñ ñîäåðæèòñÿ ðÿä çàêëþ÷åííûõ, î êîòîðûõ íàì î÷åíü ìàëî èçâåñòíî". Îí äîáàâëÿë, ÷òî áîëüøèíñòâî çàêëþ÷åííûõ ìåñÿöàìè íå ïîäâåðãàþòñÿ äîïðîñó è ïðåäñòàâëÿþò ìàëóþ öåííîñòü ñ òî÷êè çðåíèÿ ïîëó÷åíèÿ èíôîðìàöèè.

"Ëèøü íåìíîãèå ïîäîáíûå ïðîÿâëåíèÿ áåñïîðÿäêà ïîïàëè â ïîëå çðåíèÿ íàäçîðíûõ àãåíòñòâ Êîíãðåññà, Áåëîãî äîìà èëè îáùåñòâåííîñòè, ïîñêîëüêó ðóêîâîäñòâî ÖÐÓ íåîäíîêðàòíî çàâåðÿëî, ÷òî ïðîãðàììà áûëà ïðîôåññèîíàëüíîé è óñïåøíîé", - ïîäûòîæèâàåò àâòîð.
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Two CIA Contractors Are Being Sued for Torture and 'Human Experimentation'

By Justin Rohrlich
October 13, 2015 | 1:05 pm

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) filed a federal lawsuit Tuesday on behalf of three former CIA detainees accusing psychologists James Elmer Mitchell and John "Bruce" Jessen, the contractors who designed the agency's post-9/11 so-called "enhanced interrogation" program, of torture, non-consensual human experimentation, and war crimes.

Though plaintiffs Suleiman Abdullah Salim, Mohamed Ahmed Ben Soud, and Gul Rahman were all abducted and held in CIA prisons in Afghanistan, none of the men was ever charged with a crime. Salim and Ben Soud are now free and live with their families. Rahman died in a CIA prison in 2002.

"An autopsy report and internal CIA review found that Mr. Rahman likely died from hypothermia caused 'in part from being forced to sit on the bare concrete floor without pants,' with the contributing factors of 'dehydration, lack of food, and immobility due to "short chaining,"'" the ACLU lawsuit says.

Related: Senate Torture Report Finds the CIA Was Less Effective and More Brutal Than Anyone Knew

According to the ACLU's complaint, Mitchell and Jessen, who operated a firm that was paid $81 million over four years by the CIA, "helped convince the agency to adopt torture as official policy." The ACLU said the civil lawsuit is the first to be filed against Mitchell and Jessen since the Senate Intelligence Committee released an executive summary from its 6,000-page CIA torture report last year. But it's actually the second lawsuit targeting the torture architects.

Last December, California civil rights attorney Stephen Yagman quietly filed a false claims act lawsuit against Mitchell and Jessen in an effort to recover the $81 million they were paid for their work for the CIA. That lawsuit was dismissed earlier this year. (Yagman is the plaintiff in the suit; he was stripped of his law license in 2010 after being convicted of tax evasion.)

"[Plaintiffs] were subjected to solitary confinement; extreme darkness, cold, and noise; repeated beatings; starvation; excruciatingly painful stress positions; prolonged sleep deprivation; confinement in coffin-like boxes; and water torture," according to the ACLU lawsuit. "Defendants are directly liable because they experimented on Plaintiffs by seeking to induce in them a state of 'learned helplessness' to break their will by means of torture and cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment."

"The nature of what they did," Dror Ladin, a staff attorney with the ACLU's National Security Project, said of Mitchell and Jessen, "has been banned since Nuremberg."

Mitchell did not respond to VICE News' requests for comment, and the CIA declined to comment on the ACLU's lawsuit. But in exclusive interviews with VICE News last year, Mitchell acknowledged there "were some abuses that occurred" within the program.

He also said the Senate Intelligence Committee failed to acknowledge in their report that he and Jessen were the unnamed interrogators who raised many of the concerns about "abuses" and "unauthorized techniques" that were used on detainees. Moreover, Mitchell said he is one of the interrogators who reported abuses to the CIA's inspector general against rogue interrogators, which sparked an internal review of the CIA program.

Mitchell first disclosed to VICE News that he personally waterboarded three high-value terrorism suspects detained by the CIA. He said the "whole point of the waterboard was to induce fear and panic."

Mohamed Ahmed Ben Soud. (Photo via ACLU)

"We didn't think [detainees were] going to provide actionable intelligence in a state of fear and panic," he said. "You have to start the session with the waterboarding, but the questioning happens the next time you come in the room. It's like any sort of thing you fear: The closer you get to it the next time, the more you struggle to get out of it and find an escape. So the moment [a detainee] was most susceptible to beginning to provide information was just before the next waterboarding session. Not in the original one."

He added: "The interrogations I engaged in were monitored in real-time by medical personnel and leadership who could have stopped what I was doing at any time. I was never told I was doing anything outside of authorities. I was told for years that my activities had saved lives and prevented attacks."

Doctors' involvement with various forms of torture has been a dark tradition of sorts, said Leonard Rubenstein, director of the Program on Human Rights, Health, and Conflict at Johns Hopkins University.

In some countries, doctors have served as advisors to help figure out how far a prisoner could be pushed without being killed, Rubenstein said. In Iraq, army deserters routinely had ears cut off and eyes gouged out by doctors working for Saddam Hussein. In the 1950s and 60s, US doctors helped the CIA design its now-discredited "mind control" programs, parts of which involved unwitting American citizens being dosed with LSD. This, Rubenstein believes, created part of the basis for the tactics that Mitchell and Jessen formalized decades later.

"Mitchell and Jessen were sort of the masterminds of torture for the United States," Rubenstein said. "Whether or not they actually tortured these three plaintiffs personally, I think they can certainly be held responsible for creating the program that other people then executed."

Nevertheless, the system has so far "lacked the judicial fortitude to do anything about it," said Dr. Steven Miles, a professor of medicine and bioethics at the University of Minnesota Medical School.

Suleiman Abdullah Salim. (Photo via ACLU)

By Miles's count, more than 105 detainees in custody of the CIA and Department of Defense have died during interrogations, but no one has ever so much as been publicly reprimanded for it. All previous legal actions have stalled, and the American Psychological Association (APA) — a report the APA itself commissioned found that top officials at the organization ignored their ethics code at the behest of the Bush administration — has maintained that Mitchell and Jessen remain "outside the reach of the association's ethics adjudication process."

But even if the case gets thrown out, Miles believes it is crucial to keep trying.

"Fundamentally, this is a civil rights issue," he said. "Remember how many lawsuits were brought before we finally dismantled Jim Crow."

Though the executive summary of the Senate torture report prompted the ACLU's suit, the summary was released "with the names of virtually every health professional redacted," said Widney Brown, director of programs at Physicians for Human Rights (PHR).

Watch VICE News' 'The Architect,' about James Mitchell.

Getting details like those will be important according to Captain Michael Schwartz, a United States Air Force lawyer who represents high-value Guantanamo detainee Walid bin Attash. However, Schwartz believes the ACLU's odds of obtaining any truly meaningful evidence are near zero.

"To say the experience I've had litigating against, essentially, the CIA, has been an uphill battle doesn't really capture how difficult it actually is," he said. "My case is going nowhere. It's been four years of pretrial litigation; we've essentially made no headway at all."

Even if the ACLU's lawsuit is permitted to proceed past the initial stages, Schwartz doesn't believe much information will be made public. To establish Mitchell's and Jessen's liability, and for the ACLU to recover damages for their clients, Schwartz said the identities of people "who unquestionably committed war crimes" would have to be exposed.

"I have spent the last four years trying to get that same sort of information on behalf of a capital defendant," he said. "If someone facing the death penalty doesn't have a right to it, it's hard to imagine the plaintiffs in a civil suit will."
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