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: 14.03.2005
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: , 21 2010, 23:46:13     : ïðî ãîðÿ÷î ëþáèìîãî Çàáóãîðíîâûì

ïðî Øàðêî òî åñòü:
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Tina



: 10.11.2005
: 4579

: , 22 2010, 09:05:19     :

Ïðåêðàñíàÿ ñòàòüÿ, ïðî÷èòàëà ñ óäîâîëüñòâèåì. Laughing Òî ÷òî Ñàðêîçè -ñòàâëåííèê Èçðàèëÿ ìåíÿ êàê-òî óñïîêîèëî. À òî åñëè âî âñåõ ñòðàíàõ âñå ïðåçèäåíòû-ñòàâëåííèêè Èçðàèëÿ, à íàø-ïðîñòîé âåíãåðñêèé ôðàíöóç, îáèäíî åìó áûëî áû êàê-òî, ñîãëàñèòåñü. Îí ìîã áû ñåáÿ ÷óâñòâîâàòü áåëîé âîðîíîé. Rolling Eyes
Âîîáùå ÷óäíûì ÿçûêîì ñòàòüÿ íàïèñàíà. Íåêîòîðûå ìåñòà- ïðîñòî ïåñíÿ.
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 1977 ãîäó Ïàë Ñàðêîçè ðàñõîäèòñÿ ñî âòîðîé ñóïðóãîé, Êðèñòèí äå Ãåíå, êîòîðàÿ âñòóïàåò â ñîþç ñî âòîðûì íîìåðîì öåíòðàëüíîé àäìèíèñòðàöèè Ãîñäåïàðòàìåíòà Ñîåäèíåííûõ Øòàòîâ. Îíà âûõîäèò çà íåãî çàìóæ è ïåðååçæàåò â Àìåðèêó. Ìèð, êàê èçâåñòíî, òåñåí, è åå ìóæåì îêàçûâàåòñÿ íå êòî èíîé, êàê Ôðýíê Âèçíåð-ìëàäøèé, ñûí ñòàðøåãî, î êîòîðîì øëà ðå÷ü âûøå.


Æèëà ñåáå æåíùèíà ñïîêîéíî, âñòóïèëà â ñîþç (òî åñòü?), ïîòîì âûøëà çàìóæ...À òóò â Àìåðèêó ïåðååõàëà- è íà òåáå! Ìóæ âíåçàïíî îêàçàëñÿ íå òîò çà êîãî âûäàâàë, à Âèçíåð! À ïîíà÷àëó íèêîãäà áû è íå ïîäóìàëà ...
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Íå áóäèòå âî ìíå ñòåðâó! Îíà è òàê, áåäíÿæêà, íå âûñûïàåòñÿ.
Zabougornov
Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


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: , 22 2010, 10:43:57     : Re: ïðî ãîðÿ÷î ëþáèìîãî Çàáóãîðíîâûì

mk ():
ïðî Øàðêî òî åñòü:
http://profile.ru/items/?item=26407

Áîëüøàÿ ñòàòüÿ. Âðîäå èíòåðåñíàÿ. Ðàïå÷àòàþ, äîìà ïî÷èòàþ.
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A la guerre comme a la guerre èëè âòîðàÿ ðåäàêöèÿ Çàáóãîðíîâà
Zabougornov
Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
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: , 22 2010, 11:24:25     :

Óæå çàìåòèë ïåðåä¸ðãè....
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Zabava



: 09.03.2005
: 3059

: , 22 2010, 11:26:34     :

Tina, ìåðñè çà ñëàäîñòíûå ìãíîâåíüÿ Very Happy
Î÷åíü ñìåÿëàñü àíàëèçó ñòàòüè
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Loanka



: 06.04.2006
: 3745
: Paris

: , 22 2010, 12:24:45     :

Ñòàòüÿ áåç þìîðà è ñþæåò ðàñêðûò íåïîëíîñòüþ - íè îäíîãî óïîìèíàíèÿ ïðî "ðóêó Êðåìëÿ" è ñâÿçåé ñ ðóññêîé ìàôèåé. Rolling Eyes
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Ó÷åíüå — ñâåò, à íåó÷åíüå — ïðèÿòíûé ïîëóìðàê. (ñ) Æâàíåöêèé
Princess Margaret



: 25.04.2008
: 1615
: France 69

: , 23 2010, 09:21:21     :

êàæåòñÿ, ïåðâàÿ = â Ðîññèè ãëóáîêàÿ ñòàòüÿ î Ñàðêî - æåñòêî è áåç ñîïëåé. Íî, êàæåòñÿ, íåáåññïîðíàÿ
Çàáóãîðíîâ, à ÷òî çà ïåðåäåðãè? Rolling Eyes
Ïîñìîòðåëà ïðî àâòîðà
Thierry Meyssan - èíòåðåñíûé ñóá÷èê Twisted Evil Ýòà åãî ïåñíÿ - íå íîâà.
Èç Âèêèïåäèè
En 2008, Meyssan accuse le président Nicolas Sarkozy d'avoir été élu en cachant aux Français ses liens avec les casinotiers, la banque Rothschild et la CIA. Il présente ses imputations à l’Eurasian Media Forum au Kazakhstan, puis dans un article publié par l'hebdomadaire russe Profile[24] et repris sur le site du Réseau Voltaire en espagnol puis en francais[25]. Le 29 juillet 2008 Meyssan accorde une interview où il évoque les contraintes rencontrées lors de la diffusion de cet article et plus généralement les difficultés du réseau VoltaireNet.org[26] à l'origine de nombreuses extrapolations

Îðèãèíàë ñòàòüè òóò

http://www.voltairenet.org/article157210.html


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Âñå, ÿ áîãàòà. Ïîêà, íåóäà÷íèêè, ÿ âàñ âñåãäà íåíàâèäåëà! Smile

î âèíàõ ïðîñòî è ñî âêóñîì
Zabougornov
Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
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: , 23 2010, 10:42:22     :

Princess Margaret ():
êàæåòñÿ, ïåðâàÿ = â Ðîññèè ãëóáîêàÿ ñòàòüÿ î Ñàðêî - æåñòêî è áåç ñîïëåé. Íî, êàæåòñÿ, íåáåññïîðíàÿ
Çàáóãîðíîâ, à ÷òî çà ïåðåäåðãè? Rolling Eyes
Ïîñìîòðåëà ïðî àâòîðà
Thierry Meyssan - èíòåðåñíûé ñóá÷èê Twisted Evil Ýòà åãî ïåñíÿ - íå íîâà.
Èç Âèêèïåäèè
En 2008, Meyssan accuse le président Nicolas Sarkozy d'avoir été élu en cachant aux Français ses liens avec les casinotiers, la banque Rothschild et la CIA. Il présente ses imputations à l’Eurasian Media Forum au Kazakhstan, puis dans un article publié par l'hebdomadaire russe Profile[24] et repris sur le site du Réseau Voltaire en espagnol puis en francais[25]. Le 29 juillet 2008 Meyssan accorde une interview où il évoque les contraintes rencontrées lors de la diffusion de cet article et plus généralement les difficultés du réseau VoltaireNet.org[26] à l'origine de nombreuses extrapolations

Îðèãèíàë ñòàòüè òóò

http://www.voltairenet.org/article157210.html



Îí ðîäèëñÿ â 1955 ãîäó, åãî îòåö — âåíãåðñêèé àðèñòîêðàò Ïàë Ñàðêîçè äå Íàäü-Áî÷à, êîòîðûé áåæàë âî Ôðàíöèþ îò Ñîâåòñêîé àðìèè, ìàòü — Àíäðå Ìàëà, ïî ïðîèñõîæäåíèþ åâðåéêà èç Ñàëîíèê.

 îäíîì ïðåäëîæåíèè òðè îøèáêè. Îòåö Ñàðêîçè áåæàë íå âî Ôðàíöèþ, à â Ãåðìàíèþ. Ìàòü åãî íå èç Ñàëîíèê, à èç Ïàðèæà. Ìàòü åãî íååâðåéêà, õîòÿ â ðîäó áûëè åâðåè. Èç Ñàëîíèê å¸ îòåö (äåä Ñàðêîçè) - êðåù¸íûé åâðåé.

Äàëüøå ñòàòüþ ìîæíî íå ÷èòàòü, ÿñíî ÷òî îíà ñôàáðèêîâàíà
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mk



: 14.03.2005
: 932

: , 23 2010, 17:05:52     :

õå-õå, Çàáóãîðíîâ íå áûë áû Çàáóãîðíîâûì, åñëè áû íå êèíóëñÿ "çàùèùàòü" ñâîåãî ëþáèìöà Smile)))))))

Zabougornov ():
Îí ðîäèëñÿ â 1955 ãîäó, åãî îòåö — âåíãåðñêèé àðèñòîêðàò Ïàë Ñàðêîçè äå Íàäü-Áî÷à, êîòîðûé áåæàë âî Ôðàíöèþ îò Ñîâåòñêîé àðìèè, ìàòü — Àíäðå Ìàëà, ïî ïðîèñõîæäåíèþ åâðåéêà èç Ñàëîíèê.

 îäíîì ïðåäëîæåíèè òðè îøèáêè. Îòåö Ñàðêîçè áåæàë íå âî Ôðàíöèþ, à â Ãåðìàíèþ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Sarkozy#Family_background
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As the Red Army entered Hungary in 1944, the Sárközy family fled to Germany.[11] They returned in 1945 but all their possessions had been seized. Pál Sárközy's father died soon afterwards and his mother, fearing that he would be drafted into the Hungarian People's Army or sent to Siberia, urged him to leave the country and promised she would eventually follow him to Paris. Pál Sárközy fled to Austria and then Germany while his mother reported to authorities that he had drowned in Lake Balaton. Eventually, he arrived in Baden Baden, near the French border, where the headquarters of the French Army in Germany were located, and there he met a recruiter for the French Foreign Legion.

êàê ìû âèäèì, îí òàì ìíîãî ãäå ïîáåãàë, íî â èòîãå âñå-òàêè äîáåæàë äî Ôðàíöèè, è äîâîëüíî áûñòðî
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Ìàòü åãî íå èç Ñàëîíèê, à èç Ïàðèæà.

îíè âîîáùå èç Èñïàíèè:
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Andrée Mallah, then a law student, was the daughter of Benedict Mallah, a well-off urologist and STD specialist with a well-established reputation in the mainly bourgeois 17th arrondissement of Paris. Benedict Mallah, originally named Aaron Mallah (and nicknamed Benico), was born in 1890 in the Sephardic Jewish community of Thessaloniki (then part of the Ottoman Empire). The family had originally been from Spain, then resettled in Provence, southern France, and later moved to Salonica into the Jewish community established there by other Spanish expellees victims of the Spanish Inquisition.

âîïðîñ, åñòü ëè ñìûñë îáðåìåíÿòü ñòàòüþ ñòîëü ïîäðîáíûìè äåòàëÿìè
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Ìàòü åãî íååâðåéêà, õîòÿ â ðîäó áûëè åâðåè. Èç Ñàëîíèê å¸ îòåö (äåä Ñàðêîçè) - êðåù¸íûé åâðåé.

êðåùåíûé-òî êðåùåíûé...
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Although Benedict Mallah converted to Catholicism, he and his family nonetheless had to flee Paris and take refuge in a small farm in Corrèze during World War II to avoid being arrested and delivered to the Germans. During the Holocaust, many of the Mallahs who stayed in Thessaloniki or moved to France were deported to concentration and extermination camps. In total, 57 family members were murdered by the Nazis.

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Äàëüøå ñòàòüþ ìîæíî íå ÷èòàòü, ÿñíî ÷òî îíà ñôàáðèêîâàíà

êàê ÿ ïîíÿë, àâòîð - ôðàíöóçñêèé æóðíàëèñò. ïðè ýòîì, ïóáëèêóåòñÿ ïî÷åìó-òî ãäå óãîäíî, òîëüêî íå âî ôðàíöóçñêèõ èçäàíèÿõ
ýòî êñòàòè î ïðåñëîâóòîé "ñâîáîäå ñëîâà" â ýòîé âàøåé "ïðîñâåùåííîé Åâðîïå"
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Zabougornov
Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
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: , 23 2010, 17:47:17     :

mk ():
õå-õå, Çàáóãîðíîâ íå áûë áû Çàáóãîðíîâûì, åñëè áû íå êèíóëñÿ "çàùèùàòü" ñâîåãî ëþáèìöà Smile)))))))

Zabougornov ():
Îí ðîäèëñÿ â 1955 ãîäó, åãî îòåö — âåíãåðñêèé àðèñòîêðàò Ïàë Ñàðêîçè äå Íàäü-Áî÷à, êîòîðûé áåæàë âî Ôðàíöèþ îò Ñîâåòñêîé àðìèè, ìàòü — Àíäðå Ìàëà, ïî ïðîèñõîæäåíèþ åâðåéêà èç Ñàëîíèê.

 îäíîì ïðåäëîæåíèè òðè îøèáêè. Îòåö Ñàðêîçè áåæàë íå âî Ôðàíöèþ, à â Ãåðìàíèþ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Sarkozy#Family_background
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As the Red Army entered Hungary in 1944, the Sárközy family fled to Germany.[11] They returned in 1945 but all their possessions had been seized. Pál Sárközy's father died soon afterwards and his mother, fearing that he would be drafted into the Hungarian People's Army or sent to Siberia, urged him to leave the country and promised she would eventually follow him to Paris. Pál Sárközy fled to Austria and then Germany while his mother reported to authorities that he had drowned in Lake Balaton. Eventually, he arrived in Baden Baden, near the French border, where the headquarters of the French Army in Germany were located, and there he met a recruiter for the French Foreign Legion.

êàê ìû âèäèì, îí òàì ìíîãî ãäå ïîáåãàë, íî â èòîãå âñå-òàêè äîáåæàë äî Ôðàíöèè, è äîâîëüíî áûñòðî
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Ìàòü åãî íå èç Ñàëîíèê, à èç Ïàðèæà.

îíè âîîáùå èç Èñïàíèè:
:
Andrée Mallah, then a law student, was the daughter of Benedict Mallah, a well-off urologist and STD specialist with a well-established reputation in the mainly bourgeois 17th arrondissement of Paris. Benedict Mallah, originally named Aaron Mallah (and nicknamed Benico), was born in 1890 in the Sephardic Jewish community of Thessaloniki (then part of the Ottoman Empire). The family had originally been from Spain, then resettled in Provence, southern France, and later moved to Salonica into the Jewish community established there by other Spanish expellees victims of the Spanish Inquisition.

âîïðîñ, åñòü ëè ñìûñë îáðåìåíÿòü ñòàòüþ ñòîëü ïîäðîáíûìè äåòàëÿìè
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Ìàòü åãî íååâðåéêà, õîòÿ â ðîäó áûëè åâðåè. Èç Ñàëîíèê å¸ îòåö (äåä Ñàðêîçè) - êðåù¸íûé åâðåé.

êðåùåíûé-òî êðåùåíûé...
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Although Benedict Mallah converted to Catholicism, he and his family nonetheless had to flee Paris and take refuge in a small farm in Corrèze during World War II to avoid being arrested and delivered to the Germans. During the Holocaust, many of the Mallahs who stayed in Thessaloniki or moved to France were deported to concentration and extermination camps. In total, 57 family members were murdered by the Nazis.

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Äàëüøå ñòàòüþ ìîæíî íå ÷èòàòü, ÿñíî ÷òî îíà ñôàáðèêîâàíà

êàê ÿ ïîíÿë, àâòîð - ôðàíöóçñêèé æóðíàëèñò. ïðè ýòîì, ïóáëèêóåòñÿ ïî÷åìó-òî ãäå óãîäíî, òîëüêî íå âî ôðàíöóçñêèõ èçäàíèÿõ
ýòî êñòàòè î ïðåñëîâóòîé "ñâîáîäå ñëîâà" â ýòîé âàøåé "ïðîñâåùåííîé Åâðîïå"

Ñìûñë ìîåãî ñîîáùåíèÿ áûë ÷òî ñòàòüÿ ñôàáðèêîâàíà, íàïèñàíà íåäîáðîñîâåñòíî, èñêàæåíû ôàêòû. Ðå÷ü íå øëà î çàùèòå Ñàðêîçè. Òâîè êîììåíòàðèè, êñòàòè, íèêàê íå ïðîòèâîðå÷àò òîìó ÷òî ÿ íàïèñàë. À ïðè÷¸ì òóò "ñâîáîäà ñëîâà" è "ïðîñâåù¸ííàÿ Åâðîïà"?
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Zabougornov
Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
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: , 23 2010, 17:57:15     :

mk ():

êàê ÿ ïîíÿë, àâòîð - ôðàíöóçñêèé æóðíàëèñò. ïðè ýòîì, ïóáëèêóåòñÿ ïî÷åìó-òî ãäå óãîäíî, òîëüêî íå âî ôðàíöóçñêèõ èçäàíèÿõ
ýòî êñòàòè î ïðåñëîâóòîé "ñâîáîäå ñëîâà" â ýòîé âàøåé "ïðîñâåùåííîé Åâðîïå"

Îí ïðåêðàñíî ïóáëèêóåòñÿ âî Ôðàíöèè
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Meyssan
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Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
: 12000
: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 23 2010, 18:13:01     :

Ê òîìó æå â ðóññêîì ïåðåâîäå åñòü îøèáêà. Îòåö Ñàðêîçè íå áåæàë âî Ôðàíöèþ, à ïîëó÷èë óáåæèùå âî Ôðàíöèè, ïîñëå òîãî êàê áåæàë â Ãåðìàíèþ, ïîñëóæèë â èíîñòðàííîì ëåãèîíå â Àëæèðå, è ïîòîì çàêîñèë îò Èíäîêèòàÿ â Ìàðñåëå.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article157210.html
...il est le fils d’un noble catholique hongrois, Pal Sarkösy de Nagy-Bocsa, réfugié en France après avoir fuit l’Armée rouge, et d’Andrée Mallah, une roturière juive originaire de Thessalonique...
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Thais



: 10.03.2005
: 2238
: Kaliningrad-Petersburg-Paris

: , 23 2010, 18:53:00     :

Zabougornov ():
À ïðè÷¸ì òóò "ñâîáîäà ñëîâà" è "ïðîñâåù¸ííàÿ Åâðîïà"?

À ïðèòîì, ÷òî Çàáóãîðíîâ íå ëþáèò Øòàòû êàê ãîñóäàðñòâî, à ÌÊ - "ïðîñâåùåííóþ Åâðîïó" êàê òåððèòîðèàëüíî-ïîëèòè÷åñêîå îáðàçîâàíèå. È íèêàê îíè íå äîãîâîðÿòñÿ... Laughing
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: , 23 2010, 18:54:59     :

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Zabougornov ():
À ïðè÷¸ì òóò "ñâîáîäà ñëîâà" è "ïðîñâåù¸ííàÿ Åâðîïà"?

À ïðèòîì, ÷òî Çàáóãîðíîâ íå ëþáèò Øòàòû êàê ãîñóäàðñòâî, à ÌÊ - "ïðîñâåùåííóþ Åâðîïó" êàê òåððèòîðèàëüíî-ïîëèòè÷åñêîå îáðàçîâàíèå. È íèêàê îíè íå äîãîâîðÿòñÿ... Laughing

À-à-à..... Òåïåðü ïîíÿë!
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: , 23 2010, 21:35:41     :

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êàê ÿ ïîíÿë, àâòîð - ôðàíöóçñêèé æóðíàëèñò. ïðè ýòîì, ïóáëèêóåòñÿ ïî÷åìó-òî ãäå óãîäíî, òîëüêî íå âî ôðàíöóçñêèõ èçäàíèÿõ
ýòî êñòàòè î ïðåñëîâóòîé "ñâîáîäå ñëîâà" â ýòîé âàøåé "ïðîñâåùåííîé Åâðîïå"

Ýòî íå òàê. Îí ïóáëèêóåòñÿ, è âåñüìà ìíîãî. Äðóãîå äåëî, ÷òî åãî âñþ äîðîãó îáâèíÿþò â êîíñïèðîëîãèè. Íó òàêîé ó ÷åëîâåêà íàñòðîé.
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Âñå, ÿ áîãàòà. Ïîêà, íåóäà÷íèêè, ÿ âàñ âñåãäà íåíàâèäåëà! Smile

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