Ñî ññûëêîé íà Newsweek æóðíàëèñò òàêæå óïîìèíàåò, ÷òî âî âðåìÿ ñúåçäà Ðåñïóáëèêàíñêîé ïàðòèè â Ñåíò-Ïîëå îíà íå ïîñòåñíÿëàñü âûéòè íà ñîâåùàíèå ê ñîâåòíèêàì Ìàêêåéíà, ïðîõîäèâøåì â åå ãîñòèíè÷íîì íîìåðå, ëèøü â íàáðîøåííîì ïîëîòåíöå è ïîïðîñèëà "ïîäîæäàòü ìèíóòêó".
Äàæå ñòðàøíî ïðåäñòàâèòü ÷òî ñêàçàëè áû î Michelle Obama, åñëè áû ñàì Îáàìà ïðîèãðàë áû....À óæ ÷òî ñêàçàëè áû î åãî ò¸òå - îá ýòîì äàæå ñòðàøíî ïîäóìàòü.... _________________ A la guerre comme a la guerre èëè âòîðàÿ ðåäàêöèÿ Çàáóãîðíîâà
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...÷òî äîëæíà â ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü ñäåëàòü ïðåññà?
Ïîçäðàâèòü åãî, ïðàâèëüíî.
À äàëüøå? Èçâåñòíî ÷òî: íà÷àòü òîïòàòü ïðîèãðàâøåãî êîíêóðåíòà:
Òàêîé òðàäèöèè â ÑØÀ íå ñóùåñòâóåò. Ïîäîáíîå õàðàêòåðíî äëÿ ïðåäâûáîðíîé êîìïàíèè. Ïðîèãðàâøèõ æå òîïòàòü- äåëî è íåêðàñèâîå è
áåññìûñëåííîå, ïîñêîëüêó íå ìîæåò ïðèíåñòè íèêàêèõ äèâèäåíòîâ.
À ïðèâåäåííàÿ àâòîðîì èíôîðìàöèÿ êðóòèëàñü â ÑÌÈ åùå âî âðåìÿ ïðåäâûáîðíîé êîìïàíèè. È íà Ñàðó Ï. "íàåçæàëè" óæå äîñòàòî÷íî äàâíî.
Here’s a list of documentation that, as of 2008, was “unavailable”:
1. Occidental College records—Not released
2. Columbia College records—Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper—“Not available”
4. Harvard College records—Not released
5. Selective Service Registration—Not released
6. Medical records—Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule—“Not available”
8. Law practice client list—Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate—Not released
10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth—Not released
11. Harvard Law Review articles published—None
12. University of Chicago scholarly articles—None _________________ Âñå, ÿ áîãàòà. Ïîêà, íåóäà÷íèêè, ÿ âàñ âñåãäà íåíàâèäåëà!
It’s the question and/or controversy that will not go away. Where was President Barack Hussein Obama born and why won’t he produce a birth certificate?
Sometime ago I received an affidavit filed in the U.S. District Court, Eastern District of Pennsylvania, by Philip J. Berg, an attorney who briefly gained media attention when he asserted that President Obama is not a natural born citizen of the United States and, under the U.S. Constitution, was disqualified from running for or holding the position of President.
The problem Berg presents is that he reportedly was a supporter of Hillary Clinton’s bid for the Democrat nomination and thus had a very political reason to challenge Obama’s citizenship. The courts, however, appear to have been extraordinarily reluctant to address the question.
Among the Berg documents I have seen is an affidavit attesting to a transcribed conversation between Bishop Kwele Shuhudra, Bishop of the Anabaptists Churches of North America, and Sarah Obama, the President’s grandmother or aunt, who confirmed that she was present when he was born in Kenya. Could she be mistaken? There also appears to be some confusion over which hospital in Hawaii Obama was born; if he was born there. No attending physician has ever stepped forth to confirm it.
Democrat spin doctors are, of course, circling the wagons around Obama who is alleged to have spent nearly a million dollars on lawyers to keep his birth and other public records secret.
The obvious question is why.
The problem for his defenders is that no birth certificate has been made available to the public and the Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth that was briefly shown on an Obama website has raised more questions than answers about its authenticity and has been challenged as a forgery.
Obama’s birth father met his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, when they were students at the University of Hawaii. It is entirely possible that she gave birth to Obama in Hawaii though there is some question whether a ceremony occurred generating a marriage certificate. Obama senior was already married to an African wife at the time. What is known is that Obama’s mother later married an Indonesian in 1965 and Obama spent his early years in Jakarta, starting in 1967.
The reason I am a “birther”, i.e., someone who remains skeptical, is fairly simple. I began my career as a journalist. I was trained to be skeptical and to expect to see documentation and proof that whatever is asserted is true.
This means that I am suspicious when a candidate for president has virtually no paper trail of documents. No journalist has seen Obama’s alleged birth certificate because it is “under seal” in Hawaii at the order of its Governor. Why?
Here’s a list of documentation that, as of 2008, was “unavailable”:
1. Occidental College records—Not released
2. Columbia College records—Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper—“Not available”
4. Harvard College records—Not released
5. Selective Service Registration—Not released
6. Medical records—Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule—“Not available”
8. Law practice client list—Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate—Not released
10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth—Not released
11. Harvard Law Review articles published—None
12. University of Chicago scholarly articles—None
What does anyone REALLY know about Obama? They “know” the life story he put forth in two memoirs, one of which was published before he ever ran for a public office. Even here, his authorship of the books has been challenged because the text to an astonishing extent resembles books and articles written by Bill Ayers, a close friend and best known as having been a domestic terrorist, a member of the Weatherman in the 1960s.
Does it matter? The answer is yes. It matters in the most serious way possible. We cannot have someone holding the power of the presidency that does not qualify under the provisions of the U.S. Constitution.
It should be a cause for genuine concern that he continues to stonewall all attempts to determine his place of birth, his citizenship, or any of the other major parts of his life leading up to having first served in the Illinois legislature and then as a U.S. Senator.
The mainstream media have been extraordinarily disinterested in any credible documentation of Obama’s life story. Something is very wrong about that.
Something is bizarre that Time Magazine is putting Obama’s picture on the cover for a twelfth time in twelve months!
Obama’s rise to power has been meteoric. His path there remains shrouded in deliberate obscurity.
Obama’s popularity and approval ratings by both the Gallup and Rasmussen polling organizations have been dropping precipitously. All the spin in the world will not reverse this, but one step in the right direction would be to produce his birth certificate. _________________ A la guerre comme a la guerre èëè âòîðàÿ ðåäàêöèÿ Çàáóãîðíîâà
The problem for his defenders is that no birth certificate has been made available to the public and the Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth that was briefly shown on an Obama website has raised more questions than answers about its authenticity and has been challenged as a forgery.
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Íåñòûêîâî÷êè
íèêàêîé íåò.
official birth certificate è ìåäèöèíñêàÿ ñïðàâêà medical certificatin of live birth - êîòîðàÿ è áûëà ïðîäåìîíñòðèðîâàíà íà îôèöèàëüíîì ñàéòå Îáàìû - íå îäíî è òî æå. _________________ Âñå, ÿ áîãàòà. Ïîêà, íåóäà÷íèêè, ÿ âàñ âñåãäà íåíàâèäåëà!
Ê ýòîé ñòàòüå åñòü äâà ëþáîïûòíûõ êîììåíòàðèÿ
Ïåðâûé
Regardless of all the goofy speculation, why doesn't he release his records? His student records, including his admission records and his thesis are also missing. Why doesn't he just release these records and stop the speculation?
è âòîðîé
The prpblem is many "curious conspiracy theories" are now turning out to be right. One example of a conspiracy theory was when Ted Heath was claimed to have agreed to the then EEC eventually becoming a single nation state. Anti-EU campaigners were laughted at but documents released from the government archives prove they were right all along. Just because they are labelled "conspiracy theories" it does not mean they are wrong. _________________ Âñå, ÿ áîãàòà. Ïîêà, íåóäà÷íèêè, ÿ âàñ âñåãäà íåíàâèäåëà!
The problem for his defenders is that no birth certificate has been made available to the public and the Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth that was briefly shown on an Obama website has raised more questions than answers about its authenticity and has been challenged as a forgery.
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Íåñòûêîâî÷êè
íèêàêîé íåò.
official birth certificate è ìåäèöèíñêàÿ ñïðàâêà medical certificatin of live birth - êîòîðàÿ è áûëà ïðîäåìîíñòðèðîâàíà íà îôèöèàëüíîì ñàéòå Îáàìû - íå îäíî è òî æå.
Íåâåðíî. Íå ñóùåñòâóåò äîêóìåíòîâ îçàãëàâëåííûõ "official birth certificate", "medical certificatin of live birth".
Ñóùåñòâóåò äîêóìåíò, Birth Certificate, êîòîðûé ìîæåò èìåòü êðàòêèé è ðàçâ¸ðíóòûé ôîðìàò è ìîæåò áûòü îçàãëàâëåí:"Certification of Birth", "Certification of Live Birth", or "Certificate of Birth Registration". Âñå ýòè ôîðìàòû - îôèöèàëüíûå. Äîïîëíèòåëüíàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ çäåñü.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_certificate#cite_note-2003rev-3
Íå äóìàþ ÷òî Îáàìà ïîêàçûâàë íà ñâî¸ì ñàéòå èíîé ñåðòèôèêàò ÷åì âîò ýòîò, ïðåäñòàâëåííûé Âèêèïåäèåé:
_________________ A la guerre comme a la guerre èëè âòîðàÿ ðåäàêöèÿ Çàáóãîðíîâà
As a highly regarded young detective, Neil Sankey was once seconded to elite Scotland Yard units hunting down IRA bombers, dangerous anarchists and organised crime barons.
Today, however, almost 30 years after quitting Hampshire constabulary to become a private investigator in California, he is wrestling with an inquiry that is as controversial as it is complex; one that makes that his former police work seem mundane by comparison.
Now aged 64, and semi-retired, Mr Sankey is attempting to prove that Barack Obama is guilty of the most audacious act of fraud in U.S political history, having become President when he was not even eligible to run for office.
The infant Obama with his mother, Ann Dunham, who met his father at university
He is conducting his inquiries on behalf of a protest group known as the 'Birthers' - so-called because they claim Obama lied about his birth place to satisfy the requirements of the U.S constitution, which stipulates that the President must be a 'natural born' American citizen.
According to his biography, Obama was born 48 years ago in Hawaii, the 50th state of the union. But the Birthers are convinced that he came into the world in Kenya, his father's homeland, and Mr Sankey claims he has already uncovered a great deal of evidence to support this astonishing assertion.
'As an investigator it has become obvious to me that something very strange is going on,' he intoned gravely when we spoke this week.
'His background throws up all kinds of anomalies. It may sound incredible (but) this guy comes from nowhere. No one really knows who he is.'
Íî ÷òî ôàêòû, îí è áåç ôàêòîâ êðóò: ìíå ñòàëî î÷åâèäíî ÷òî ïðîèñõîäèò ÷òî-òî î÷åíü ñòðàííîå.....â åãî áèîãðàôèè ïîëíî àíîìàëèé....÷åëîâåê êîòîðûé ïðèø¸ë íèîòêóäà.....íèêòî â äåéñòâèòåëüíîñòè î í¸ì íè÷åãî íå çíàåò..... _________________ A la guerre comme a la guerre èëè âòîðàÿ ðåäàêöèÿ Çàáóãîðíîâà
— Ìû îáíàðóæèëè óäèâèòåëüíûé ôàêò. Ïî àäðåñó â ãîðîäå Ñàìàäàë, ãäå îí æèë â øòàòå Ìàññà÷óñåòñ, êîãäà ó÷èëñÿ â Ãàðâàðäå, ïèøåòñÿ, ÷òî Áàðàê Õóñåéí Îáàìà èìååò òàêîå-òî óäîñòîâåðåíèå ëè÷íîñòè…
À â Àìåðèêå óäîñòîâåðåíèå ëè÷íîñòè èìååò òðè ÷àñòè. È â ïåðâîé ÷àñòè ïåðâûå òðè öèôðû îáîçíà÷àþò øòàò. È âûÿñíèëîñü, ÷òî ýòî óäîñòîâåðåíèå ëè÷íîñòè áûëî âûäàíî â øòàòå Êîííåêòèêóò.
À Îáàìà íèêîãäà íå æèë â ýòîì øòàòå! Áîëåå òîãî — ñàìûé èíòåðåñíûé ìîìåíò.  áàçå äàííûõ óêàçàíî, ÷òî ýòî óäîñòîâåðåíèå ëè÷íîñòè áûëî âûäàíî ÷åëîâåêó, ðîäèâøåìóñÿ â 1890 ãîäó. Òî åñòü Îáàìå ñåãîäíÿ äîëæíî áûëî èñïîëíèòüñÿ 119 ëåò!
Òàêèì îáðàçîì, ìû óñòàíîâèëè, ÷òî èìåííî òàì îíà ìîãëà íàéòè âîò ýòî óäîñòîâåðåíèå ëè÷íîñòè ÷åëîâåêà, êîòîðûé æèë â øòàòå Êîííåêòèêóò, ðîäèëñÿ â 1890 ãîäó è â êàêîé-òî ìîìåíò ïåðååõàë íà Ãàâàéè. È, êàê âèäíî, ó íåãî íå áûëî ðîäñòâåííèêîâ. È îíà ìîãëà âçÿòü ýòîò íîìåð è èñïîëüçîâàòü åãî äëÿ Áàðàêà Îáàìû.
Èíòåðåñíî, ÷òî ýòîò íîìåð óäîñòîâåðåíèÿ ëè÷íîñòè ôèãóðèðóåò è â øòàòå Ìàññà÷óñåòñ, ãäå îí æèë, êîãäà ó÷èëñÿ â Ãàðâàðäå, è â ×èêàãî, â øòàòå Èëëèíîéñ, êîãäà áûë ñåíàòîðîì. È äàæå â Âàøèíãòîíå!