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Esti



: 22.01.2006
: 904

: , 24 2008, 16:46:37     :

Óæàñ êàêîé-òî!
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Ñåãîäíÿ, 24 èþíÿ, ïðåçèäåíò Ôðàíöèè Íèêîëÿ Ñàðêîçè çàâåðøèë âèçèò íà Áëèæíèé Âîñòîê è âûëåòåë èç Èçðàèëÿ. Âî âðåìÿ öåðåìîíèè ïðîùàíèÿ â ìåæäóíàðîäíîì àýðîïîðòó Áåí-Ãóðèîí ïðîèçîøëà òðàãåäèÿ.

Îäèí èç ñîòðóäíèêîâ ïîãðàíè÷íîé ñëóæáû (ÌÀÃÀÂ), íàõîäèâøèõñÿ íà ðàññòîÿíèè îêîëî 100 ì îò ïðåçèäåíòà Ôðàíöèè, âûñòðåëèë â ñåáÿ èç òàáåëüíîãî îðóæèÿ.


Íå ñòðàíà, à ãîëëèâóäñêàÿ ñòóäèÿ, åé áîãó... Rolling Eyes
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Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
: 12000
: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 24 2008, 17:18:32     :

Äà, äàæå íå çíàåøü êàê êî âñåìó ýòîìó îòíîñèòüñÿ...
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Esti



: 22.01.2006
: 904

: , 24 2008, 17:38:56     :

Âîò è ÿ ãîâîðþ...
Óñëûøàëà ýòó íîâîñòü ïî ðàäèî, âîçâðàùàÿñü ñ ðàáîòû. Òàì íè ñëîâà íå ñêàçàëè ïðî ñàìîóáèéñòâî, ëèøü ïðîêîììåíòèðîâàëè ÷òî îõðàíà îáåèõ ñòîðîí áðîñèëàñü íà çàùèòó Ñàðêîçè. Çàòåì äîáàâèëè, ÷òî ïîñòðàäàâøèõ íåò, çà èñêëþ÷åíèåì äâóõ äåâóøåê-ìàãàâíèö êîòîðûå óïàëè â îáìîðîê îò èñïóãà. È ñìåõ è ãðåõ.
Èäè çíàé! Ìîæåò òîò, ÷òî âûñòðåëèë â ñåáÿ áûë ïî-óøè âëþáëåí â Êàðëó, à îíà çàìóæ çà Ñàðêîçè âûøëà.... Êñòàòè, â íîâîñòÿõ íå óïîìÿíóëè î ñàìîóáèéñòâå, ñêàçàëè ñëó÷àéíûé âûñòðåë.
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Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
: 12000
: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 24 2008, 19:43:21     :

Esti ():
Âîò è ÿ ãîâîðþ...
Óñëûøàëà ýòó íîâîñòü ïî ðàäèî, âîçâðàùàÿñü ñ ðàáîòû. Òàì íè ñëîâà íå ñêàçàëè ïðî ñàìîóáèéñòâî, ëèøü ïðîêîììåíòèðîâàëè ÷òî îõðàíà îáåèõ ñòîðîí áðîñèëàñü íà çàùèòó Ñàðêîçè. Çàòåì äîáàâèëè, ÷òî ïîñòðàäàâøèõ íåò, çà èñêëþ÷åíèåì äâóõ äåâóøåê-ìàãàâíèö êîòîðûå óïàëè â îáìîðîê îò èñïóãà. È ñìåõ è ãðåõ.
Èäè çíàé! Ìîæåò òîò, ÷òî âûñòðåëèë â ñåáÿ áûë ïî-óøè âëþáëåí â Êàðëó, à îíà çàìóæ çà Ñàðêîçè âûøëà.... Êñòàòè, â íîâîñòÿõ íå óïîìÿíóëè î ñàìîóáèéñòâå, ñêàçàëè ñëó÷àéíûé âûñòðåë.


Äà íåò! Êàæäàÿ îõðàíà áðîñèëàñü ñïàñàòü ñâîåãî ïðåçèäåíòà. Îëüìåðòà çàòîëêíóëè â àâòîìîáèëü, à Ñàðêîçè - â ñàìîëåò.

Òàê íàäî áûëî â îáèä÷èêà ñòðåëÿòü, òàêîé ñëó÷àé ïðåäñòàâèëñÿ! Òîæå ìíå Îòåëëî....
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Esti



: 22.01.2006
: 904

: , 26 2008, 09:05:17     :

Áëèí, òàê õî÷åòñÿ ïîôëóäèòü íà ýòó òåìó, æàëêî Ëîàíêè è Ñîáåñåäíèêà íå ïîáëèçîñòè....

Â÷åðà êàêàÿ-òî ìóäðàÿ òåòåíüêà ïî Ò êîììåíòèðîâàëà ÿçûê æåñòîâ Êàðëû è Íèêîëÿ. Ïðî Êàðëó, îò êîòîðîé îíà, êàê è âåñü èçðàèëüñêèé íàðîä, ïèñàåò êèïÿòêîì, ðàññêàçûâàëà ìíîãî è ïîäðîáíî. Íàïðèìåð, ïî÷åìó Êàðëà ïèäæà÷îê îäåðíóëà èìåííî â òîò èëè èíîé ìîìåíò, êàê âîëîñû ïîïðàâèëà, êàê âçãëÿíóëà íà ñóïðóãà è ò.ä.è ò.ï. Ÿ âûâîä - íåñëàäêî Êàðëå ñ Íèêîëÿ. Íåïðèâû÷íî åé áûòü íà âòîðîì ïëàíå, è âîîáùå äîñòàëà åå ýòà ðîëü "ñóïðóãà ïðåçèäåíòà", è âåñü ýòîò Çàæîïèíñê.....
Ïðî ñóïðóãà. Îòìåòèâ, ÷òî ðå÷ü Íèêîëÿ áëåñòÿùà è íåîáû÷íà, òåòå÷êà-çíàòîê äâèæåíèé òåëà ñêàçàëà, ÷òî íåò ñâÿçè ìåæäó òåì , ÷òî Íèêîëÿ ïðîèçíîñèò è òåì, êàê îí ê ýòìó îòíîñèòñÿ. Òèïà - "Ñàì -òî ïîíÿë ÷òî ñêàçàë?"
Ÿ ðåçþìå: ÷åòà Ñàðêîçè -ñàìàÿ èíòåðåñíàÿ ïàðà, èç òåõ, ÷òî åé ïðèõîäèëîñü àíàëèçèðîâàòü. Cool
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Esti



: 22.01.2006
: 904

: , 26 2008, 20:46:00     :

Shocked Shocked Ó íàñ òóò òàêàÿ Ñàíòà-Áàðáàðà òâîðèòñÿ - ãàñèòå ñâåò!! Ïî ÒÂ è ðàäèî òîëüêî îá îäíîì ãîâîðÿò: Â óáèéñòâå ìàëåíüêîé Ðîç ïîäîçðåâàþòñÿ ìàòü è äåäóøêà

Ïðîñòî óæàñíî!!

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Tina



: 10.11.2005
: 4579

: , 26 2008, 20:56:43     :

Esti ():
Shocked Shocked Ó íàñ òóò òàêàÿ Ñàíòà-Áàðáàðà òâîðèòñÿ - ãàñèòå ñâåò!! Ïî ÒÂ è ðàäèî òîëüêî îá îäíîì ãîâîðÿò:
Íó, è çà÷åì ÿ ÷èòàëà? Òåïåðü íå çàñíó...×òî òîëüêî íå òâîðèòñÿ íà áåëîì ñâåòå....Áåäíàÿ äåâî÷êà. Crying or Very sad
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Íå áóäèòå âî ìíå ñòåðâó! Îíà è òàê, áåäíÿæêà, íå âûñûïàåòñÿ.
Esti



: 22.01.2006
: 904

: , 26 2008, 22:00:13     :

Tina ():
Íó, è çà÷åì ÿ ÷èòàëà?
Òèíóëÿ, ÷òî-òî òû íà íî÷ü ãëÿäÿ çàãîâîðèëà ãîëîñîì Êëàðû Íîâèêîâîé Cool

Ñïè ñïîêîéíî.  ïîñëåäíèõ íîâîñòÿõ íàìåêíóëè, ÷òî äåâî÷êà ãäå-òî âî Ôðàíöèè. Áóäåì íàäåÿòüñÿ, ÷òî Ãîñïîäü ñ íåé....
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Tina



: 10.11.2005
: 4579

: , 27 2008, 08:59:46     :

Esti ():
Tina ():
Íó, è çà÷åì ÿ ÷èòàëà?
Òèíóëÿ, ÷òî-òî òû íà íî÷ü ãëÿäÿ çàãîâîðèëà ãîëîñîì Êëàðû Íîâèêîâîé Cool
Laughing
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Íå áóäèòå âî ìíå ñòåðâó! Îíà è òàê, áåäíÿæêà, íå âûñûïàåòñÿ.
Ìóðçèëêà



: 14.09.2006
: 183

: , 29 2008, 19:19:05     :

Esti ():

Ïðî Êàðëó, îò êîòîðîé îíà, êàê è âåñü èçðàèëüñêèé íàðîä, ïèñàåò êèïÿòêîì, ðàññêàçûâàëà ìíîãî è ïîäðîáíî.

Èíòåðåñíî, à ÷åì ýòî îíà òàê ïîëþáèëàñü èçðàèëüñêîìó íàðîäó? ñâîèì áûëûì "àíòè-êîìôîðìèçìîì" Wink èëè íûíåøíèì ïîëîæåíèåì ïðèÿòíîé "êîìíàòíîé ñîáà÷êè"? Very Happy
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Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
: 12000
: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 23 2009, 11:17:04     :

http://www.newsru.co.il/mideast/23apr2009/bi8003.html
Ïðîãðàììà Íåòàíèÿãó: ñíà÷àëà - èðàíñêàÿ óãðîçà, ïîòîì - ìèðíûé ïðîöåññ
Áèíüÿìèí Íåòàíèÿãó ñîáèðàåòñÿ çàÿâèòü ïðåçèäåíòó ÑØÀ, ÷òî áåç óñòðàíåíèÿ óãðîçû Èðàíà ïðîäâèæåíèå ìèðíîãî ïðîöåññà íåâîçìîæíî, îòìå÷àåò "Êîëü Èñðàýëü"
Ãëàâà ïðàâèòåëüñòâà áóäåò ïðîñèòü ÑØÀ ïðèçíàòü íåîáõîäèìûì îãðàíè÷åíèå ñóâåðåíèòåòà áóäóùåãî ïàëåñòèíñêîãî ãîñóäàðñòâà
Ïðåìüåð-ìèíèñòð Èçðàèëÿ Áèíüÿìèí Íåòàíèÿãó ãîòîâèò ïðîãðàììó óðåãóëèðîâàíèÿ áëèæíåâîñòî÷íîãî êîíôëèêòà, ñ êîòîðîé ïîåäåò â Âàøèíãòîí, íà âñòðå÷ó ñ ïðåçèäåíòîì ÑØÀ Áàðàêîì Îáàìîé.

Êàê ïèøåò ñåãîäíÿ "Ãààðåö", Íåòàíèÿãó ïðåäëîæèò àìåðèêàíñêîìó ëèäåðó ïëàí èç òðåõ ýòàïîâ, ïðåäóñìàòðèâàþùèé, ïðåæäå âñåãî, óñòðàíåíèå èðàíñêîé ÿäåðíîé óãðîçû, çàòåì ñáëèæåíèå ñ óìåðåííûìè àðàáñêèìè ðåæèìàìè è ìèðíûé äèàëîã ñ ïàëåñòèíöàìè ïî íåñêîëüêèì êàíàëàì.

Áèíüÿìèí Íåòàíèÿãó ñîáèðàåòñÿ çàÿâèòü ïðåçèäåíòó ÑØÀ, ÷òî áåç óñòðàíåíèÿ óãðîçû Èðàíà ïðîäâèæåíèå ìèðíîãî ïðîöåññà íåâîçìîæíî, îòìå÷àåò "Êîëü Èñðàýëü".

Èçðàèëüñêèé ëèäåð íàìåðåí òàêæå äîáèâàòüñÿ ïðèçíàíèÿ Èçðàèëÿ åâðåéñêèì ãîñóäàðñòâîì. Ýòî óñëîâèå íå ÿâëÿåòñÿ ïðåäâàðèòåëüíûì äëÿ âîçîáíîâëåíèÿ ïåðåãîâîðîâ, íî åãî âûïîëíåíèå íåîáõîäèìî äëÿ óñïåøíîãî çàâåðøåíèÿ ìèðíîãî ïðîöåññà è çàêëþ÷åíèÿ ñîãëàøåíèÿ îá îêîí÷àòåëüíîì óðåãóëèðîâàíèè êîíôëèêòà.

Ãëàâà ïðàâèòåëüñòâà áóäåò ïðîñèòü ÑØÀ ïðèçíàòü íåîáõîäèìûì îãðàíè÷åíèå ñóâåðåíèòåòà áóäóùåãî ïàëåñòèíñêîãî ãîñóäàðñòâà, â ÷àñòíîñòè, çàïðåòèòü ïàëåñòèíöàì ñîäåðæàòü íàñòîÿùóþ àðìèþ è çàêëþ÷àòü âîåííûå ñîþçû. Íåòàíèÿãó òàêæå æåëàåò îñòàâèòü çà Èçðàèëåì íàáëþäåíèå çà ãðàíèöàìè ïàëåñòèíñêîãî ãîñóäàðñòâà è êîíòðîëü íàä åãî âîçäóøíûì ïðîñòðàíñòâîì. Ýõóä Îëüìåðò íå ñóìåë óáåäèòü àäìèíèñòðàöèþ Äæîðäæà Áóøà ïîääåðæàòü ýòî òðåáîâàíèå.

Áèíüÿìèí Íåòàíèÿãó ïëàíèðóåò ïîñåòèòü Âàøèíãòîí 18-19 ìàÿ. Ïðåäñåäàòåëü ïàëåñòèíñêîé àäìèíèñòðàöèè Ìàõìóä Àááàñ îòïðàâèòñÿ â ÑØÀ 28 ìàÿ. Áàðàê Îáàìà ïðèãëàñèë ê ñåáå òàêæå ïðåçèäåíòà Åãèïòà Õóñíè Ìóáàðàêà.


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1080459.html
Netanyahu to offer U.S. three-part plan for peace talks
By Aluf Benn and Barak Ravid

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is developing a "laundry list" that he will present to U.S. President Barack Obama when they meet next month in Washington. The Israeli premier will present Obama with a three-part plan involving halting Iran's nuclear program, closer relations with moderate Arab states and dealing with the Palestinian issue through several channels.

Netanyahu will tell Obama that he will not recognize a nation-state providing Palestinian self-determination if the Palestinians don't recognize Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people. From the standpoint of the Israeli prime minister, the requirement that the Palestinians recognize Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people is a fundamental demand in any negotiations on a final settlement. It is not a precondition to conducting negotiations, but rather necessary to progress towards an agreement.

During the course of negotiations to form his coalition government, Netanyahu revealed that the Olmert government demanded recognition of Israel as a Jewish state in its talks with the Palestinians, but withdrew that demand within just 24 hours because of opposition from the Palestinian negotiators. Netanyahu intends to stop the erosion of the fundamental Israeli positions, as was his position during his prior term as prime minister following the Oslo Accords.

Why is Netanyahu insistent on Palestinian recognition of Israel as "the nation-state of the Jewish people," rejecting critics who see the demand as a means to scuttle negotiations? There are a few explanations for his position. First of all, Netanyahu wants to present an Israeli demand for recognition of national rights as a counterweight to the demand that Israel recognize "Palestinian rights." Second, he is concerned that if the Palestinians evade such recognition in political negotiations, they will also refrain from telling their constituency that Israel is the state of the Jewish people, and will continue to pursue the conflict even after a settlement is reached. Third, recognition of a Jewish state will neutralize the Palestinian demand for the "right of return" of Palestinian refugees.

The prime minister also has political considerations, however. To mobilize support from the Israeli public and from the U.S. Congress for his positions in the face of possible pressure from Obama, Netanyahu needs to build a common denominator across party and factional lines. The principle of the "Jewish state" enjoys wide support among relevant sectors of the public, and it is much easier to mobilize support for this than a policy opposing withdrawal from territories and evacuation of settlements.

Netanyahu is also seeking to come to an agreement with the United States defining "limitations on sovereignty" to be imposed on a future Palestinian entity. This includes prohibiting it from maintaining an army or forging military agreements or alliances, and Israel continuing to monitor its external borders, airspace and electromagnetic spectrum. The prime minister's predecessor, Ehud Olmert, unsuccessfully tried to secure such guarantees from the Bush administration, despite having proposed a withdrawal from almost all of the West Bank. Netanyahu accords great importance to security guarantees from the Americans, and thinks he will be more successful in securing them than Olmert had been.

In deliberations Netanyahu is conducting to develop his peace plan, there will also be consideration of gestures which Israel will make to the Palestinians, as well as Israel's response to the demand to freeze construction in the settlements, vacate outposts and remove roadblocks. The prime minister intends to bring the issue of the settlements to a decision by the cabinet, and it is assumed he will only present his position right before his trip to the White House.

Netanyahu believes the Iranian threat provides Israel with an unprecedented opportunity in that, for the first time since 1920, moderate Arab states share the same strategic assessment. In fact, Iran will be central to the plans Netanyahu will present to Obama. He will explain to the American president that the existence of Israel is the guarantor of the continued existence of the Jewish people following the Holocaust and that nuclear weapons cannot fall into the hands of those who deny the existence of the Jewish state. Netanyahu would prefer that the U.S. deal with the Iranian threat and, if Obama asks what Israel would be willing to give in return, the Israeli premier would show great interest in the subject.

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Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
: 12000
: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 23 2009, 11:44:01     :

Õèòðûé ïëàí îäíàêî! Ñíà÷àëà, äî íà÷àëà ïåðåãîâîðîâ, çàñòàâèòü ïàëåñòèíöåâ ïðèçíàòü Èçðàèëü êàê íàöèîíàëüíîå ãîñóäàðñòâî äëÿ åâðåéñêîãî íàðîäà. Ïîòîì ñåñòü çà ñòîë ïåðåãîâîðîâ. Ïàëåñòèíöû, íàòóðàëüíî, ïîòðåáóþò ïðàâî íà âîçâðàùåíèå íà ðîäèíó, òóäà îòêóäà èõ èçãíàëè. À Èçðàèëü òîãäà è ñêàæåò: âû æå ñàìè ïðèçíàëè ÷òî Èçðàèëü - ýòî íàöèîíàëüíîå ãîñóäàðñòâî äëÿ åâðåéñêîãî íàðîäà. Âû åâðåéñêèé íàðîä? Íåò. Òîãäà çíà÷èò è ïðàâ íà Èçðàèëü ó âàñ íèêàêèõ íåò. Òðåáóéòå ïðàâà íà âîçâðàùåíèå â ñâî¸ ãîñóäàðñòâî (êîòîðîãî ïîêà åù¸ íåò).
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...Why is Netanyahu insistent on Palestinian recognition of Israel as "the nation-state of the Jewish people," rejecting critics who see the demand as a means to scuttle negotiations? There are a few explanations for his position. First of all, Netanyahu wants to present an Israeli demand for recognition of national rights as a counterweight to the demand that Israel recognize "Palestinian rights." Second, he is concerned that if the Palestinians evade such recognition in political negotiations, they will also refrain from telling their constituency that Israel is the state of the Jewish people, and will continue to pursue the conflict even after a settlement is reached. Third, recognition of a Jewish state will neutralize the Palestinian demand for the "right of return" of Palestinian refugees...


À êàêèì îíî áóäåò, ïàëåñòèíñêîå ãîñóäàðñòâî òî? À âîò êàêèì:
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Netanyahu is also seeking to come to an agreement with the United States defining "limitations on sovereignty" to be imposed on a future Palestinian entity. This includes prohibiting it from maintaining an army or forging military agreements or alliances, and Israel continuing to monitor its external borders, airspace and electromagnetic spectrum.


Àðìèþ ýòîìó ãîñóäàðñòâó áóäåò çàïðåùåíî èìåòü, íà âñåõ åãî âíåøíèõ ãðàíèöàõ áóäåò ñòîÿòü Öàõàëü, Èçðàèëü áóäåò êîíòðîëèðîâàòü åãî âîçäóøíîå ïðîñòðàíñòâî è ðàäèî- òåëå- âåùàíèå.

Ñîâñåì îáåçóìåë Íåòàíèÿãó, êòî æ ïîéä¸ò íà òàêèå óñëîâèÿ, íà òàêèå îãðàíè÷åíèÿ ñóâåðíèòåòà, äà åù¸ â íàøå âðåìÿ?

Ýòî ðàç. È ïîòîì: çà÷åì âîîáùå ïðè òàêîì ðàñêëàäå íóæíû ïåðåãîâîðû? Î ÷¸ì ïåðåãîâàðèâàòüñÿ òî? Èçðàèëü è áåç âñÿêèõ ïåðåãîâîðîâ íèêîãäà (ïî÷òè) íå ïðèçíàâàë ïðàâî ïàëåñòèíñêèõ áåæåíöåâ íà âîçâðàùåíèå. Íóæíû åù¸ îäíè ïåðåãîâîðû ÷òîáû åãî íå ïðèçíàòü? Ïàëåñòèíñêîå ãîñóäàðñòâî, òàêîå êàêèì åãî âèäèò Íåòàíèÿãó, óæå ñîçäàíî. Êàê ïàëåñòèíöû ìîãóò ïðèçíàòü Èçðàèëü êàê íàöèîíàëüíîå ãîñóäàðñòâî äëÿ åâðåéñêîãî íàðîäà, êîãäà â Èçðàèëå æèâóò àðàáû-ïàëåñòèíöû, êîòîðûå ÿâëÿþòñÿ ïîëíîïðàâíûìè ãðàæäàíàìè?
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Ãîâîðèò: Íàçîâèòå ñàìè ñåáÿ õîòü Åâðåéñêîé Ñîöèàëèñòè÷åñêîé Ðåñïóáëèêîé, ýòî, òèïà, íå ìîé áèçíåñ äàâàòü îïèñàíèå ýòîé ñòðàíå, ÿ òàêèìè âåùàìè íå çàíèìàþñü.....

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Abbas: I won't recognize Israel as a Jewish state
By Yoav Stern, Haaretz Correspondent and News Agencies

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas dismissed on Monday calls by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, an issue emerging as a main obstacle to peacemaking.

"I do not accept it," the Western-backed Abbas said. "It is not my job to give a description of the state. Name yourself the Hebrew Socialist Republic - it is none of my business."


Netanyahu said in a statement last week it would be impossible to make progress on the diplomatic track and reach a peace agreement without Palestinian recognition of Israel as a Jewish state.


But the prime minister said he had not made such recognition a precondition for opening peace negotiations. Netanyahu has shied away from endorsing the creation of a Palestinian state, a main goal of U.S.-backed peace talks that are currently frozen.

Palestinians fear recognition of Israel as a Jewish state could help Israeli leaders resist any return of Palestinian refugees.

Those concerns were heightened five years ago after then-U.S. President George W. Bush described Israel as a Jewish state in a letter to its prime minister at the time, Ariel Sharon, and suggested Palestinian refugees be settled in a future Palestine rather than in Israel.

Netanyahu and Abbas plan to make separate visits to Washington next month for their first meetings with Barack Obama since he became president in January.

Obama's administration has said it would vigorously pursue Palestinian statehood, setting the stage for possible conflict with Netanyahu.

Netanyahu has pledged to hold talks with the Palestinians on economic, security and diplomatic issues. Palestinian leaders have rejected any notion of an "economic peace" and said talks with Israel could not resume until he committed to statehood.

"If you do not want the two-state solution, then what do you accept?" Abbas asked in his speech.

"We want a state on the 1967 borders, not a centimeter more, not a centimeter less," he said, referring to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, areas that Israel captured in the Six Day War of that year.

Abbas' comments drew mixed responses in Israel.

"This is more evidence that the Palestinians are not interested in true peace with Israel, said MK Ofir Akunis, a lawmaker in Netanyahu's Likud Party.

Israeli Arab MK Ahmed Tibi, however, called Abbas' comments logical and correct. "Recognition between countries doesn't include recognition of their characters, but of their right to exist, independence and their borders."

Netanyahu, who is formulating a Middle East policy plan for presentation to Obama, has said any Palestinian entity must have limited powers of sovereignty and not pose a danger to Israel's security.

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Ìèíèñòðû ïðîãîëîñîâàëè çà ïðîäëåíèå çàïðåòà íà âîññîåäèíåíèå ïàëåñòèíñêèõ ñåìåé

Ïðàâèòåëüñòâî Èçðàèëÿ 14 àïðåëÿ ïðîãîëîñîâàëî çà ïðîäëåíèå íà îäèí ãîä äåéñòâèå Çàêîíà î ãðàæäàíñòâå, â òîì ÷èñëå, çàïðåùàþùåãî ïðåäîñòàâëåíèÿ èçðàèëüñêîãî ãðàæäàíñòâà ïàëåñòèíöàì íà îñíîâå ïðèíöèïà âîññîåäèíåíèå ñåìåé.

Îá ýòîì ñîîáùèëà ðàäèîñòàíöèÿ "Êîëü Èñðàýëü". Ìèíèñòð âíóòðåííèõ äåë Ãèäåîí Ñààð ïðåäëîæèë ïðîäëèòü çàêîí íà îñíîâàíèè ðåêîìåíäàöèè Ñëóæáû îáùåé áåçîïàñíîñòè (ØÀÁÀÊ). Çàêîí çàïðåùàåò ïðåäîñòàâëÿòü ãðàæäàíñòâî èëè âèçó íà ïðîäîëæèòåëüíîå ïðåáûâàíèå â Èçðàèëå ïàëåñòèíñêèì æèòåëÿì Èóäåè, Ñàìàðèè è ñåêòîðà Ãàçû, à òàêæå æèòåëÿì ãîñóäàðñòâ, ñ÷èòàþùèõñÿ âðàæäåáíûìè.

Ïðîòèâíèêè äàííîãî çàêîíà ïðîâåëè 14 àïðåëÿ äåìîíñòðàöèþ ïðîòåñòà ïåðåä êàíöåëÿðèåé ãëàâû ïðàâèòåëüñòâà â Èåðóñàëèìå, òðåáóÿ ðàçðåøèòü ïàëåñòèíöàì ïîëó÷àòü ãðàæäàíñòâî â ðàìêàõ âîññîåäèíåíèÿ ñåìåé â Èçðàèëå.

 ïðîøëîì ãîäó Âûñøèé ñóä ñïðàâåäëèâîñòè (ÁÀÃÀÖ) îòâåðã èñê ïðîòèâ ýòîãî çàêîíà. Øåñòåðî ñóäåé âûñêàçàëèñü çà îòêëîíåíèå èñêà, â òîì ÷èñëå, Ýëüÿêèì Ðóáèíøòåéí, Ýëèýçåð Ðèâëèí, Õàíàí Ìåëüöåð, Ìèðüÿì Íàîð, Íèë Ãåíäåëü è Àøåð Ãðóíèñ. Ñóäüè Äîðèò Áåéíèø, Ýäíà Àðáåëü, Ýäìîíä Ëåâè, Ñåëèì Äæóáðàí è Ýñòåð Õàþò ïûòàëèñü ïåðåóáåäèòü èõ, íî òùåòíî.

Ïðîòèâíèêè èñêà îòìåòèëè, ÷òî ïðàâî íà âîññîåäèíåíèå ñåìåé íå îçíà÷àåò, ÷òî îíî äîëæíî áûòü îáÿçàòåëüíî ðåàëèçîâàíî â Èçðàèëå, à íå â ÏÀ.

Èçðàèëüñêèå ÑÌÈ ñîîáùàëè â ïðîøëîì, ÷òî, êàê ìèíèìóì, 10.000 ïàëåñòèíöåâ, ñî÷åòàâøèõñÿ áðàêîì ñ èçðàèëüñêèìè àðàáàìè, îæèäàþò âèäà íà æèòåëüñòâî â Èçðàèëå ñ 2003 ãîäà. Ïîìèìî ýòîãî, åùå 8.000 ÷åëîâåê, ïîäàâøèõ çàïðîñ, ïîëó÷èëè ðàçðåøåíèå íà âúåçä â ñòðàíó.  îáùåé æå ñëîæíîñòè, îêîëî 70.000 ïàëåñòèíöåâ, ñóïðóãîâ è äåòåé èçðàèëüñêèõ àðàáîâ, îæèäàþò ïîëó÷åíèÿ èçðàèëüñêîãî ãðàæäàíñòâà â ðàìêàõ âîññîåäèíåíèÿ ñåìåé.
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Ðàñèçì, îäíàêî. Åâðåéñêèì ñåìüÿì âîññîåäèíÿòüñÿ ìîæíî, à ïàëåñòèíñêèì - íåò.
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