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Zabougornov
Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
: 12000
: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 29 2007, 11:45:21     : Ãåé ïàðàäû

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Ìýðèÿ Ìîñêâû îêîí÷àòåëüíî îòêàçàëà îðãàíèçàòîðàì ãåé-ïàðàäà â ïðîâåäåíèè øåñòâèÿ
âðåìÿ ïóáëèêàöèè: 26 ìàÿ 2007 ã., 17:26

Ìýðèÿ Ìîñêâû îêîí÷àòåëüíî îòêàçàëà îðãàíèçàòîðàì ãåé-ïàðàäà â ïðîâåäåíèè øåñòâèÿ

Ïðàâèòåëüñòâî Ìîñêâû îòêàçàëî îðãàíèçàòîðàì ãåé-ïàðàäà â ïðîâåäåíèè øåñòâèÿ 27 ìàÿ â ñòîëèöå. Êàê çàÿâèë â ñóááîòó íà ïðåññ-êîíôåðåíöèè â Ìîñêâå îðãàíèçàòîð ïàðàäà Íèêîëàé Àëåêñååâ, èì áûë ïîëó÷åí îòâåò îò ïðàâèòåëüñòâà Ìîñêâû íà óâåäîìëåíèå î ïðîâåäåíèè 27 ìàÿ øåñòâèÿ.

Îí ñîîáùèë, ÷òî ïðåäñòàâèòåëü ïðàâèòåëüñòâà Ìîñêâû îòêàçàë â ïðîâåäåíèè øåñòâèÿ ïî Ìÿñíèöêîé óëèöå îò Ñîëîâåöêîãî êàìíÿ äî Ëóáÿíñêîé ïëîùàäè.

" îòâåòå ãîâîðèòñÿ: "Ïî ïîðó÷åíèþ ìýðà îòâå÷àþ íà óâåäîìëåíèå ãðàæäàí î íàìåðåíèè ïðîâåñòè 27 ìàÿ 2006 ãîäà øåñòâèå ïî òàêîìó-òî ìàðøðóòó ðàññìîòðåíî", òî åñòü ìû ïîëó÷èëè îòêàç íà ïðîâåäåíèå ìåðîïðèÿòèÿ, êîòîðîå ïðîõîäèëî â ïðîøëîì ãîäó", - ñêàçàë Àëåêñååâ.

 òî æå âðåìÿ îí ïîä÷åðêíóë, ÷òî íà äâà äðóãèå çàÿâëåíèÿ î ïðîâåäåíèè ïèêåòîâ íàïðîòèâ ìýðèè Ìîñêâû è íà Íîâî-Ïóøêèíñêîé ïëîùàäè îòâåò ïîëó÷åí íå áûë.

"Íà ýòè ìåðîïðèÿòèÿ çàÿâëÿëîñü äî 100 ÷åëîâåê, è îòêàçîâ èç ïðåôåêòóð ïîêà íå ïîñòóïàëî", - ñêàçàë îðãàíèçàòîð ïàðàäà. Êðîìå òîãî, ïî åãî ñëîâàì, íå ïîëó÷åí îòâåò íà ïðîñüáó ðàçðåøèòü ïðîâåäåíèå ìåðîïðèÿòèÿ â Àëåêñàíäðîâñêîì ñàäó, íà ÷òî îòâåò òàêæå íå ïîëó÷åí.
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A la guerre comme a la guerre èëè âòîðàÿ ðåäàêöèÿ Çàáóãîðíîâà


: Zabougornov (, 17 2013, 14:39:01), 1
Zabougornov
Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
: 12000
: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 29 2007, 11:46:51     :

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Ìîñêîâñêàÿ ìèëèöèÿ íàìåðåíà ðàçîãíàòü ãåé-ïàðàä, íàìå÷åííûé íà ñåãîäíÿ
âðåìÿ ïóáëèêàöèè: 27 ìàÿ 2007 ã., 09:35

Ìîñêîâñêàÿ ìèëèöèÿ íå äîïóñòèò ïðîâåäåíèÿ â ñòîëèöå ãåé-ïàðàäà, êîòîðûé çàïëàíèðîâàí íà ñåãîäíÿ. Îá ýòîì ÈÒÀÐ-ÒÀÑÑ ñîîáùèë íà÷àëüíèê Óïðàâëåíèÿ èíôîðìàöèè è îáùåñòâåííûõ ñâÿçåé ÃÓÂÄ ïî Ìîñêâå Âèêòîð Áèðþêîâ.

Îí îòìåòèë, ÷òî ýòî ìåðîïðèÿòèå áûëî çàïðåùåíî âëàñòÿìè ãîðîäà, è ïîýòîìó íå ìîæåò ïðîâîäèòüñÿ. "Îðãàíèçàòîðû ãåé- ïàðàäà èìåëè âîçìîæíîñòü îáæàëîâàòü îòêàç â ñóäåáíîì ïîðÿäêå, íî íå ñìîãëè ïðåäñòàâèòü ñóäó óáåäèòåëüíûå ïðàâîâûå àðãóìåíòû â ïîääåðæêó ñâîåé ïîçèöèè", - ïîä÷åðêíóë Áèðþêîâ.

Ïî åãî ñëîâàì, â ñîîòâåòñòâèè ñ çàêîíîì î ìèëèöèè, â ýòîì ñëó÷àå ïðàâîîõðàíèòåëüíûå îðãàíû áóäóò ïðåñåêàòü íåçàêîííûå ìåðîïðèÿòèÿ. "Ñòîëè÷íàÿ ìèëèöèÿ íå âïðàâå íàðóøèòü òðåáîâàíèÿ çàêîíà â óãîäó ãðóïïå ãðàæäàí, îñóùåñòâëÿþùèõ ñïåêóëÿöèè íà òåìå ïðàâ è ñâîáîä ÷åëîâåêà, èñêàæàÿ ñàìî ïîíÿòèå ïðàâ ÷åëîâåêà", - ñêàçàë ïðåäñòàâèòåëü ÃÓÂÄ.

Îí òàêæå ñîîáùèë, ÷òî â ïðàâîîõðàíèòåëüíûå îðãàíû ïîñòóïèëè ìíîãî÷èñëåííûå çàÿâëåíèÿ îò ðàçëè÷íûõ ðåëèãèîçíûõ êîíôåññèé, ÷ëåíîâ Îáùåñòâåííîé ïàëàòû ÐÔ, ðîññèéñêîé îáùåñòâåííîñòè è ïðàâîçàùèòíèêîâ î òîì, ÷òî "ïóáëè÷íîå ïðîâåäåíèå ïîäîáíûõ ìåðîïðèÿòèé ñòàíåò æåñòîêèì óíèæåíèåì ÷åëîâå÷åñêîãî äîñòîèíñòâà ãðàæäàí ïî ïðèíöèïó èõ îòíîøåíèÿ ê ðåëèãèè, îñêîðáèò èõ ðåëèãèîçíûå ÷óâñòâà, âîçáóäèò ðåëèãèîçíóþ âðàæäó".

Ðóêîâîäñòâî è ëè÷íûé ñîñòàâ ÃÓÂÄ ïî Ìîñêâå îáðàùàåòñÿ ê ãðàæäàíàì, êîòîðûõ îáìàííûõ ïóòåì ïûòàþòñÿ óáåäèòü ïðèíÿòü ó÷àñòèå â ãåé-ïàðàäå ñ ïðîñüáîé îòêàçàòüñÿ îò ýòîé èäåè. "Îðãàíèçàòîðû ïîäîáíîãî ìåðîïðèÿòèÿ íå çàùèùàþò ïðàâà ñåêñóàëüíûõ ìåíüøèíñòâ, à öèíè÷íî èñïîëüçóþò ãðàæäàí ñ íåòðàäèöèîííîé îðèåíòàöèåé â ñâîèõ êîðûñòíûõ öåëÿõ, ïðîâîöèðóÿ áåñïîðÿäêè â ñòîëèöå", - îòìåòèë Áèðþêîâ.

Îí ïîä÷åðêíóë, ÷òî "ñòîëè÷íàÿ ìèëèöèÿ áóäåò ïðåñåêàòü ëþáûå ïîïûòêè ïðîâîêàöèé âñåìè çàêîííûìè ñïîñîáàìè", ñîîáùàåò ÈÒÀÐ-ÒÀÑÑ.
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A la guerre comme a la guerre èëè âòîðàÿ ðåäàêöèÿ Çàáóãîðíîâà
Zabougornov
Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
: 12000
: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 29 2007, 11:50:33     :

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Ïðè ïîïûòêå ïðîâåñòè ãåé-ïàðàä â Ìîñêâå çàäåðæàíû åâðîäåïóòàòû

Ìîñêîâñêàÿ ìèëèöèÿ çàäåðæàëà àêòèâèñòîâ çà ïðàâà ãîìîñåêñóàëèñòîâ, êîãäà îíè ïûòàëèñü ïåðåäàòü ïèñüìî ìýðó ãîðîäà Þðèþ Ëóæêîâó ñ ïðîñüáîé ñíÿòü çàïðåò íà ãåé-ïàðàä
Ãåðìàíñêèé ïàðëàìåíòàðèé Ôîëêåð Áåê
Áðèòàíñêèé àêòèâèñò Ïèòåð Òýò÷åëë
Îíè áûëè àðåñòîâàíû ïîñëå ñòîëêíîâåíèÿ ñ èõ ÿðîñòíûìè ïðîòèâíèêàìè, â òîì ÷èñëå ðîññèéñêèìè íàöèîíàëèñòàìè, ìîëîäûìè êîììóíèñòàìè è îðòîäîêñàëüíûìè ïðåäñòàâèòåëÿìè ïðàâîñëàâíûõ îðãàíèçàöèé, êîòîðûå èçáèëè èõ è çàáðîñàëè ÿéöàìè ñ êðèêàìè "Ìîñêâà - íå Ñîäîì

Ìîñêîâñêàÿ ìèëèöèÿ çàäåðæàëà àêòèâèñòîâ çà ïðàâà ãîìîñåêñóàëèñòîâ, êîãäà îíè ïûòàëèñü ïåðåäàòü ïèñüìî ìýðó ãîðîäà Þðèþ Ëóæêîâó ñ ïðîñüáîé ñíÿòü çàïðåò íà ãåé-ïàðàä, ñîîáùàåò BBC.

Ñðåäè çàäåðæàííûõ áûëè ãåðìàíñêèé ïàðëàìåíòàðèé Ôîëüêåð Áåê, ÷ëåí åâðîïàðëàìåíòà èòàëüÿíåö Ìàðêî Êàïàòòî è áðèòàíñêèé àêòèâèñò Ïèòåð Òýò÷åëë.

Îíè áûëè àðåñòîâàíû ïîñëå ñòîëêíîâåíèÿ ñ èõ ÿðîñòíûìè ïðîòèâíèêàìè, â òîì ÷èñëå ðîññèéñêèìè íàöèîíàëèñòàìè, ìîëîäûìè êîììóíèñòàìè è îðòîäîêñàëüíûìè ïðåäñòàâèòåëÿìè ïðàâîñëàâíûõ îðãàíèçàöèé, êîòîðûå èçáèëè èõ è çàáðîñàëè ÿéöàìè ñ êðèêàìè "Ìîñêâà - íå Ñîäîì". Î çàäåðæàíèè äåïóòàòà Åâðîïàðëàìåíòà Ìàðêî Êàïïàòî ñîîáùàåòñÿ íà îôèöèàëüíîì èíòåðíåò-ñàéòå äåïóòàòà.

Ïîìèìî èíîñòðàíöåâ, â Ìîñêâå áûë àðåñòîâàí îäèí èç îðãàíèçàòîðîâ ãåé-ïàðàäà, àêòèâèñò ïðàâîçàùèòíîé îðãàíèçàöèè GayRussia Íèêîëàé Àëåêñååâ. Ìàðêî Êàïàòòî áûë èçáèò, à êîãäà îí îáðàòèëñÿ çà ïîìîùüþ â ìèëèöèþ, åãî àðåñòîâàëè.

Îäíàêî ìîñêîâñêàÿ ìèëèöèÿ íå ïîäòâåðæäàåò èíôîðìàöèþ î çàäåðæàíèè Ôîëüêåðà Áåêà. "Åãî (Áåêà) ñîòðóäíèêè ìèëèöèè ëèøü çàùèùàëè îò òîëïû, è áóêâàëüíî ÷åðåç ìèíóò äåñÿòü îí óåõàë íà ìàøèíå", - ñêàçàë ÐÈÀ Íîâîñòè èñòî÷íèê â ñòîëè÷íûõ ïðàâîîõðàíèòåëüíûõ îðãàíàõ.

Îí óòâåðæäàåò, ÷òî ãðàæäàíèí Ãåðìàíèè "íå âûðàæàë íåäîâîëüñòâ, à íàîáîðîò ïîáëàãîäàðèë çà çàùèòó".

Ïî èíôîðìàöèè îðãàíèçàòîðà àêöèè, âñåãî áûëè çàäåðæàíû ïîðÿäêà 40 ÷åëîâåê, ìíîãèå èç êîòîðûõ ê íàñòîÿùåìó ìîìåíòó óæå îòïóùåíû.
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A la guerre comme a la guerre èëè âòîðàÿ ðåäàêöèÿ Çàáóãîðíîâà
Zabougornov
Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
: 12000
: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 29 2007, 11:53:04     :

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Ïîñòðàäàâøèé âî âðåìÿ íåóäàâøåãîñÿ ãåé-ïàðàäà â Ìîñêâå áðèòàíñêèé ïðàâîçàùèòíèê ïðèçûâàåò âûðàçèòü ïðîòåñò ïîñëó ÐÔ â Ëîíäîíå
âðåìÿ ïóáëèêàöèè: 28 ìàÿ 2007 ã., 07:36

Áðèòàíñêèé ïðàâîçàùèòíèê Ïèòåð Òýò÷åëë, ïîñòðàäàâøèé â âîñêðåñåíüå âî âðåìÿ íåóäàâøåãîñÿ ãåé-ïàðàäà, ïðèçûâàåò âûðàçèòü ïðîòåñò ïîñëó ÐÔ â Ëîíäîíå
"ß ïðèçûâàþ ëþäåé âûðàçèòü ïðîòåñò ðîññèéñêîìó ïîñëó è ïîïðîñèòü èõ ìåñòíîãî äåïóòàòà ïàðëàìåíòà ïîñëàòü ïèñüìî ïðîòåñòà â ïîñîëüñòâî Ðîññèè", - îòìåòèë Òýò÷åëë, êîòîðûé ñåé÷àñ íàõîäèòñÿ â Ìîñêâå
Ïîìèìî Òýò÷åëëà ñðåäè çàäåðæàííûõ áûëè ãåðìàíñêèé ïàðëàìåíòàðèé Ôîëüêåð Áåê, ÷ëåí åâðîïàðëàìåíòà èòàëüÿíåö Ìàðêî Êàïàòòî è áðèòàíñêèé àêòèâèñò Ïèòåð Òýò÷åëë

Áðèòàíñêèé ïðàâîçàùèòíèê Ïèòåð Òýò÷åëë, ïîñòðàäàâøèé â âîñêðåñåíüå âî âðåìÿ íåóäàâøåãîñÿ ãåé-ïàðàäà, ïðèçûâàåò âûðàçèòü ïðîòåñò ïîñëó ÐÔ â Ëîíäîíå, ñîîáùàåò ÐÈÀ "Íîâîñòè" ñî ññûëêîé íà áðèòàíñêèé íîâîñòíîé ãåé-ïîðòàë Pink News.

"ß ïðèçûâàþ ëþäåé âûðàçèòü ïðîòåñò ðîññèéñêîìó ïîñëó è ïîïðîñèòü èõ ìåñòíîãî äåïóòàòà ïàðëàìåíòà ïîñëàòü ïèñüìî ïðîòåñòà â ïîñîëüñòâî Ðîññèè", - îòìåòèë Òýò÷åëë, êîòîðûé ñåé÷àñ íàõîäèòñÿ â Ìîñêâå.

"Íàì òàêæå íóæíî æåñòêîå çàÿâëåíèå ñ îñóæäåíèåì îò Ôîðèí-îôèñà, êîòîðûé ïîêà ìîë÷èò. ß ÿâëÿþñü áðèòàíñêèì ïîääàííûì, êîòîðûé ïîäâåðãñÿ æåñòîêîìó íàïàäåíèþ âî âðåìÿ ïðîâåäåíèÿ ìèðíîé äåìîíñòðàöèè ïðîòåñòà, à ðîññèéñêèå ìèëèöèîíåðû ïîçâîëèëè îñóùåñòâèòü íàñèëèå ïðîòèâ ìåíÿ", - ïîä÷åðêíóë ïðàâîçàùèòíèê.

Áðèòàíñêèé ÌÈÄ ïîêà ïðåäïî÷åë äèñòàíöèðîâàòüñÿ îò êîíêðåòíîãî ñëó÷àÿ. "Ìû îñóæäàåì ëþáûå ïðîÿâëåíèÿ íàñèëèÿ, íî â äàííîì êîíêðåòíîì ñëó÷àå ìû äîëæíû ñîáðàòü âñå ôàêòû ïðåæäå ÷åì äåëàòü äàëüíåéøèå êîììåíòàðèè", - ñêàçàë ïðåäñòàâèòåëü Ôîðèí-îôèñà.

Ðóêîâîäèòåëü áðèòàíñêîé ïðàâîçàùèòíîé îðãàíèçàöèè Outrage!, â îñíîâíîì çàíèìàþùåéñÿ çàùèòîé ïðàâ ñåêñóàëüíûõ ìåíüøèíñòâ, Ïèòåð Òýò÷åëë áûë îäíèì èç äîêëàä÷èêîâ êîíôåðåíöèè î ïðàâàõ ãååâ, êîòîðàÿ ñîñòîÿëàñü â Ìîñêâå 26 ìàÿ, è ïîñëåäîâàâøåé çà íåé â âîñêðåñåíüå äåìîíñòðàöèè ïåðåä çäàíèåì ìýðèè Ìîñêâû íà Òâåðñêîé óëèöå.

 ðåçóëüòàòå ñòîëêíîâåíèé ñ àãðåññèâíî íàñòðîåííîé ïðîòèâ ïðîâåäåíèÿ ãåé-ïàðàäà ìîëîäåæüþ Òýò÷åëë ïîëó÷èë ñèíÿê ïîä ãëàçîì, à çàòåì áûë çàäåðæàí ïðàâîîõðàíèòåëüíûìè îðãàíàìè. ×åðåç íåêîòîðîå âðåìÿ îí áûë îòïóùåí, íî åìó ïðåäïèñàíî âíîâü ÿâèòüñÿ â Òâåðñêîå îòäåëåíèå ìèëèöèè äëÿ äà÷è ïîêàçàíèé â ïîíåäåëüíèê.

Ïîìèìî Òýò÷åëëà ñðåäè çàäåðæàííûõ áûëè ãåðìàíñêèé ïàðëàìåíòàðèé Ôîëüêåð Áåê è ÷ëåí åâðîïàðëàìåíòà èòàëüÿíåö Ìàðêî Êàïàòòî.

Îíè áûëè àðåñòîâàíû ïîñëå ñòîëêíîâåíèÿ ñ èõ ÿðîñòíûìè ïðîòèâíèêàìè, â òîì ÷èñëå ðîññèéñêèìè íàöèîíàëèñòàìè, ìîëîäûìè êîììóíèñòàìè è îðòîäîêñàëüíûìè ïðåäñòàâèòåëÿìè ïðàâîñëàâíûõ îðãàíèçàöèé, êîòîðûå èçáèëè èõ è çàáðîñàëè ÿéöàìè ñ êðèêàìè "Ìîñêâà - íå Ñîäîì".

Ïîìèìî èíîñòðàíöåâ, â Ìîñêâå áûë àðåñòîâàí îäèí èç îðãàíèçàòîðîâ ãåé-ïàðàäà, àêòèâèñò ïðàâîçàùèòíîé îðãàíèçàöèè GayRussia Íèêîëàé Àëåêñååâ. Ìàðêî Êàïàòòî áûë èçáèò, à êîãäà îí îáðàòèëñÿ çà ïîìîùüþ â ìèëèöèþ, åãî àðåñòîâàëè. Ïî èíôîðìàöèè îðãàíèçàòîðà àêöèè, âñåãî áûëè çàäåðæàíû ïîðÿäêà 40 ÷åëîâåê, ìíîãèå èç êîòîðûõ ê íàñòîÿùåìó ìîìåíòó óæå îòïóùåíû.

Ïèòåð Òýò÷åëë èçâåñòåí â Âåëèêîáðèòàíèè íå òîëüêî ñâîåé çàùèòîé ïðàâ ñåêñóàëüíûõ ìåíüøèíñòâ, íî è ñâîèì âûçûâàþùèì ïîâåäåíèåì âî âðåìÿ ïðîâåäåíèÿ àêöèé ïðîòåñòà è ïðàâîçàùèòíûõ ìèòèíãîâ. Îí íå ðàç âñòóïàë â ñëîâåñíûå è ôèçè÷åñêèå ñõâàòêè ñ áðèòàíñêîé ïîëèöèåé.
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Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
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: , 29 2007, 14:21:18     :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6698173.stm
Moscow anti-gay attack condemned

Russian protester attacks British gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell
British gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell was among those arrested

Tatchell arrested
Gay rights activist Peter Tatchell and singer Richard Fairbrass have expressed their shock after being punched by anti-homosexual protesters in Moscow.

Both men were hit on the head during a gay rights march on Sunday. Protesters attacked with kicks, punches and eggs.

Mr Tatchell, Mr Fairbrass and two European Parliament deputies were among 31 people detained by Russian police.

London Mayor Ken Livingstone deplored the violence, as did the mayors of Paris and Rome.

The gay rights demonstrators were trying to deliver a petition to Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov, demanding the right to stage public marches.

Attackers 'walked free'

Speaking to Sky News, Mr Tatchell said "We were violently assaulted - I was battered in the face and the eye, and knocked to the ground, kicked and beaten".

Russian police detain Richard Fairbrass of pop band Right Said Fred
Fairbrass: "I actually felt more sorry for the guy that whacked me"
"The Moscow police, astonishingly, arrested me and let my attackers walk free," he said.

Richard Fairbrass, a singer with the band Right Said Fred, told BBC Radio Five Live that he would be travelling with security in Eastern Europe from now on.

"We've never travelled with security in Moscow, Latvia, any of the old eastern bloc countries, but I have to say I wouldn't... travel now without having our own security guys with us, no," he said.

"When it was over I actually felt more sorry for the guy that whacked me than I did for me... How threatened can he be, how insecure is he to be threatened by a bisexual pop singer who's most famous for singing 'I'm too sexy'?"

Italian MEP Marco Cappato was kicked by an anti-gay rights protester and then arrested when he demanded police protection.

Another MEP, Volker Beck from Germany, was also detained, along with the leader of GayRussia, Nikolai Alexeyev.

Mayor Livingstone wrote to Moscow's Mayor Luzhkov voicing "deep concern" and urged him to get all charges against Mr Tatchell and fellow demonstrators lifted. He also urged Mr Luzhkov to lift the ban on the Gay Pride parade in Moscow.

Mr Luzhkov has called homosexuality "satanic" and says he will never allow gay rights parades in Russia's capital.

International dismay

The counter-demonstration was staged by ultra-nationalists and members of the Russian Orthodox Church. Some of them chanted "Moscow is not Sodom!"

Sunday's march was to commemorate the 14th anniversary of the decriminalisation of homosexuality in Russia.

Paris Mayor Bertrand Delanoe condemned Sunday's "unacceptable violence," while Rome Mayor Walter Veltroni said the "sad" incident in Moscow "leaves you speechless".

Moscow city police spokesman Viktor Bryukov had warned the organisers not to go ahead.

Gay activists were also attacked by right-wing protesters and arrested during a march last year.

The head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Alexy II, supports the ban on gay parades.

Âîò ýòî ïðàâèëüíî! Âåðíîå ðåøåíèå! Ïóñòü òåïåðü åçäèò ñ òåëîõðàíèòåëÿìè. Íî áîþñü ÷òî, ó÷èòûâàÿ ÊÀÊÈÅ ýòî áóäóò òåëîõðàíèòåëè è ÊÀÊÈÌ ÔÀÑÎÍÎÌ îíè áóäóò ðàçúåæàòü ïî Ðîññèè, ñ êàêèìè èäåÿìè, òàê ñêàçàòü, ïîáüþò âñþ êîìàíäó, íåâçèðàÿ, íàòóðàëüíî, íà áðèòàíñêèé ïàñïîðò
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Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
: 12000
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: , 29 2007, 14:56:56     :

Êòî òàêîé Peter Tatchell?
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Tortue



: 16.10.2006
: 92

: , 29 2007, 16:35:35     :

Âëàä. Èëè÷!!
Íå âåðüòå çàïàäíîé ïðîïàãàíäå, îíà êàê âñåãäà, î÷åíü ñèëüíî ðàçäóâàåò ïðîèøåñòâèÿ : âîò ÷òî ÿ íàøëà : âðîäå áû òî÷íûé ðåïîðòàæ î ïñåväî-ãåé-ïàðàäå - îò î÷åâèäöåâ - ñòîðèííèêîâ ïîääåðæêè ìåíüøèíñòâ.. íî êàê æå çàïàäíûå Ñìè âñå ðàçäóëè - íè÷åãî âåäü òîëêîì è íå áûëî !!!!

http://insie.livejournal.com/221977.html#cutid2
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Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
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: , 29 2007, 17:36:57     :

http://insie.livejournal.com/221977.html#cutid2
Ïëîùàäü íàïðîòèâ ìýðèè ïðåäñòàâëÿëà ñîáîé òåððèòîðèþ, ïîëíîñòüþ îãîðîæåííóþ ìåòàëëè÷åñêèìè çàãðàæäåíèÿìè. Âäîëü íèõ ïëîòíî ñòîÿëè ìèëèöèîíåðû è îìîí. Âíóòðè ïðîãóëèâàëèñü íåñêîëüêî æóðíàëèñòîâ, íåïîíÿòíî êàê òóäà ïîïàâøèõ.

Ìåæäó öåïî÷êîé ìèëèöèè è Òâåðñêîé óâëå÷åííî áåñåäîâàëè íåñêîëüêî äåñÿòêîâ æóðíàëèñòîâ, ïàðî÷êà íàöèîíàëèñòîâ, ìóæ ñ æåíîé (ìû ãåòåðîñåêñóàëû, íî ïîääåðæèâàåì ïðàâà ãååâ), òðîéêà îðòîäîêñîâ ñ èêîíàìè (èõ íåïðåêðàùàþùååñÿ ïåíèå ïîä êîíåö âñåì îñòî÷åðòåëî, õîòÿ ñíà÷àëà èõ ñ óäîâîëüñòâèåì ñíèìàëè).

Íåñêîëüêî ïüÿíûõ ìóæ÷èí ñ áîìæåâàòûì âèäîì êðè÷àëè ÷òî-òî ïðî "Ðîññèÿ íå ìåñòî äëÿ ïèä@ðàñîâ". Ëþäè â øòàòñêîì òî òóò òî òàì ïðîñèëè ôîòîãðàôîâ è îïåðàòîðîâ ïîìåíüøå ñíèìàòü. Âïå÷àòëÿëî êîëè÷åñòâî èíîñòðàííîé ðå÷è è óëûáàþùèõñÿ ëèö íåìåöêèõ, èòàëüÿíñêèõ è ãîëëàíäñêèõ ãîñòåé. Âñå áûëî òèõî.

Îðèåíòèðîâî÷íî â 12.20 íà÷àëèñü ìåëêèå ñòû÷êè. Îòêóäà-òî ïðèøåäøèå îáðèòûå íàãîëî è ÿâíî åùå íå ïðîñîõøèå ìîëîä÷èêè âñêèäûâàëè ââåðõ ðóêè, êðè÷àëè è áðîñàëèñü ñ êóëàêàìè íà âñåõ ïîäðÿä. Îìîí áðîñèëñÿ èõ ðàçíèìàòü, âñÿ òîëïà âûñûïàëà íà Òâåðñêóþ, åäâà íå ïîïàâ ïîä êîëåñà àâòîìîáèëåé. ×åëîâåê 5 áûëè çàäåðæàíû. Ïîñëå ýòîãî îìîí âñòàë â öåïü è óâåðåííûì øàãîì íà÷àë âûòåñíÿòü âñåõ ñ ïëîùàäè íà òðîòóàð â ñòîðîíó Ìàíåæíîé. ×åðåç ïàðó ìèíóò ïëîùàäü áûëà ðàñ÷èùåíà.

Òåì âðåìåíåì êîëè÷åñòâî ïðàâîñëàâíûõ ðàäèêàëîâ óâåëè÷èëîñü ÷åëîâåê äî 15. Íà ðîñêîøíîì BÌW Õ5 ñ ìîíàøêîé çà ðóëåì ïðèêàòèëè äâà ïîïà, êîëè÷åñòâî ïîþùèõ óâåëè÷èëîñü âäâîå. Îìîí çàáîòëèâî ðàñêðûë äâåðè óþòíûõ àâòîáóñîâ. Êîððåñïîíäåíòû áðàëè èíòåðâüþ ó âñåõ æåëàþùèõ.

È òóò íà÷àëîñü. Èçðÿäíî ïüÿíûé ìóæ÷èíà íàáðîñèëñÿ íà ìóæà òîé ñàìîé çàùèòíèöû ïðàâ ìåíüøèíñòâ, çàïèíàë åãî, ðàçáèë ëèöî â êðîâü, ïîñëå ÷åãî óáåæàë. Ôàøèñòâóþùèå ëèöà â ÷åðíûõ ðóáàøêàõ ñ êðåñòàìè ïîâåðõ óñòðîèëè äðàêó ñ ïðàâîçàùèòíèêàìè è îìîíîì. Ìèíóò 5 áûëè ñïëîøíûå ïîòàñîâêè, êàæäûé ðàç çàêàí÷èâàþùèåñÿ íîâûìè ãîñòÿìè àâòîáóñîâ îìîíà è èíòåðâüþ ñ ó÷àñòíèêàìè (âîïðîñû çàäàâàëèñü íà àíãëèéñêîì, ïåðåâîä÷èêîâ íå áûëî, âûãëÿäåëè âñå ýòè êó÷êè äîâîëüíî æàëêî).

Ñîáñòâåííî, íà ýòîì âñå è çàêîí÷èëîñü. Ïîíÿâ, ÷òî øîó áîëüøå íå áóäåò ðàçîøëèñü ïî÷òè âñå æóðíàëèñòû. Ïîïû óêàòèëè íà ñâîåì X5. Ñàìûõ óäà÷ëèâûõ ðàçâåç ïî "äîìàì" óþòíûé àâòîáóñ ñ âîäèòåëåì â ïîãîíàõ.

Ãåè íà ïàðàäå òàê è íå çàñâåòèëèñü. Ìîæåò, ïðÿòàëèñü, à ìîæåò, ïîíÿëè, ÷òî âåñü ýòîò òåàòð àáñóðäà ÿâíî íå ìåñòî äëÿ çàùèòû ñâîèõ êîíñòèòóöèîííûõ ïðàâ.

Êàê æå! Íå çàñâåòèëèñü! À ÷üè ýòî ïîäïîð÷åííûå ôåéñû?

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Ìèíå ñäà¸òñÿ ÷òî ýòî íèêòî èíûå êàê Peter Tatchell and Richard Fairbrass, èçâåñòíûå ãåé-àêòèâèñòû.

È ïîäïîðòèëè èõ èìåííî íà ãåé-ïàðàäå

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È èìåííî çà èõ ïîëèòè÷åñêèå âçãëÿäû.



P.S. ß, êñòàòè, íå ïðèâåòñòâóþ òàêèå ìåòîäû áîðüáû ñ ãåé-àêòèâèñòàìè.

Íî ýòî íå ìåíÿåò ñóòè äåëà: ïðèåõàë â Ðîññèþ ÷òîáû èíèöèèðîâàòü áåñïîðÿäêè íà ïî÷âå ãîìîñåêñóàëèçìà, ïîïûòàëñÿ ïîäíÿòü ìóòíóþ âîëíó ãåé-èñòåðèè â ñàìîì öåíòðå Ìîñêâû íåñìîòðÿ íà çàïðåò âëàñòåé, ïîëó÷èë ïî ôåéñó îò âîçìóù¸ííûõ ãðàæäàí, çàáðàëè ñêàíäàëèñòà â ìèëèöèþ, ïîäåðæàëè íåìíîãî (à òî íåèçâåñòíî ÷åì êîí÷èëîñü áû), âûïóñòèëè - è ñâîáîäåí.....äî ñëåäóþùåãî ïàðàäà....
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VBA



: 22.11.2005
: 968

: , 29 2007, 18:11:46     :

×å-òî, ïî-ìîåìó, ó òåáÿ ñ êîììåíòàðèÿìè íå òî.

Zabougornov ():

ïðèåõàë â Ðîññèþ ÷òîáû èíèöèèðîâàòü áåñïîðÿäêè íà ïî÷âå ãîìîñåêñóàëèçìà


Ýòî, êîíå÷íî, êëàññíî "áåñïîðÿäêè íà ïî÷âå ãîìîñåêñóàëèçìà". À ïî ñóòè - êàêèå áåñïîðÿäêè îí èíèöèèðîâàë? Ýòî òèïà åñëè òåáÿ îòï**äÿò â òåìíîì ïåðåóëêå, çíà÷èò òû èíèöèèðîâàë áåñïîðÿäêè. Íå øëÿëñÿ áû ïî íåõîðîøèì ìåñòàì íî÷üþ, íå áûëî áû íèêàêèõ áåñïîðÿäêîâ.

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, ïîïûòàëñÿ ïîäíÿòü ìóòíóþ âîëíó ãåé-èñòåðèè â ñàìîì öåíòðå Ìîñêâû íåñìîòðÿ íà çàïðåò âëàñòåé


"Ìóòíàÿ âîëíà èñòåðèè" - íè ôèãà ñåáå, òû åùå ñòèëü "Ïðàâäû" 70-õ ãîäîâ ïîìíèøü...
Êñòàòè, çàïðåò áûë íà ïàðàä, íî íèêòî íå çàïðåùàë õîäèòü ñ òðåáîâàíèÿìè ðàçðåøåíèÿ ïàðàäà. Òàê ÷òî ïî çàêîíó íè÷åãî ýòè àêòèâèñòû íå íàðóøàëè. Èõ, êñòàòè, ìèëèöèÿ è íå òðîãàëà, ïîòîìó ÷òî îíè íè÷åãî íå íàðóøàëè.

Zabougornov ():
ïîëó÷èë ïî ôåéñó îò âîçìóù¸ííûõ ãðàæäàí


Íå îò âîçìóùåííûõ ãðàæäàí ïîëó÷èë, à îò íàñòîÿùèõ ïèäàðîâ. Òî÷íåå, îò ñêèíõåäîâ, íàöè è ïðî÷èõ õîðóãâåíîñöåâ. Êîòîðûå çàêîí, êñòàòè, íàðóøàþò íàïðàâî è íàëåâî.  òîì ÷èñëå, âîò - ìîðäîáèòèå. Èëè ýòî óæå íå ïðåñòóïëåíèå? (â îòëè÷èå, êñòàòè, îò ãîìîñåêñóàëèçìà, êîòîðûé ïðåñòóïëåíèåì íå ÿâëÿåòñÿ).

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çàáðàëè ñêàíäàëèñòà â ìèëèöèþ


À ÷åì îí ñêàíäàëèñò? Òî, ÷òî îí òåáå íå íðàâèòñÿ, åùå íå ïîâîä ñ÷èòàòü åãî ñêàíäàëèñòîì.
Johnny



: 19.05.2006
: 470
: Grenoble

: , 30 2007, 08:30:38     :

Íó, Çàáóãîðíîâ, ÷åãî ýòî ðàçâåçëî òåáÿ òàê ... Ñêîëüêî ñîîáùåíèé íàïèñàë íà ýòó òåìó ..

Ìíå ýòî âñå ñèëüíî íàïîìèíàåò áîðîäàòûé àíåêäîò î ìàçîõèñòå, ñàäèñòå è îíàíèñòå.
Îäíîãî õëåáîì íå êîðìè, äàé ïîõîäèòü ïî òåìíûì ïåðåóëêàì. Äðóãîé âñåãäà ãîòîâ äàòü â ãëàç. À ðåïîðòåðû òóò êàê òóò: "ðàññêàçûâàéòå, ðåáÿòà, ðàññêàçûâàéòå".
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Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
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: , 30 2007, 09:48:09     :

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×å-òî, ïî-ìîåìó, ó òåáÿ ñ êîììåíòàðèÿìè íå òî.

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ïðèåõàë â Ðîññèþ ÷òîáû èíèöèèðîâàòü áåñïîðÿäêè íà ïî÷âå ãîìîñåêñóàëèçìà


Ýòî, êîíå÷íî, êëàññíî "áåñïîðÿäêè íà ïî÷âå ãîìîñåêñóàëèçìà". À ïî ñóòè - êàêèå áåñïîðÿäêè îí èíèöèèðîâàë?

Èçâåñòíî êàêèå: àêòèâíîå (íå ïàññèâíîå) ó÷àñòèå â çàïðåù¸ííîì ìèòèíãå è ñâÿçàííûå ñ ýòèì ó÷àñòèåì ñîáûòèÿ: êîíôëèêò ñ âîçìóù¸ííûìè ãðàæäàíàìè, äðàêà ñ ýêñòðåìèñòêè íàñòðîåííûìè ãðàæäàíàìè, íàñèëüñòâåíûå äåéñòâèÿ ìèëèöèè ïî îòíîøåíèþ ê ãåé-àêòèâèñòàì è ýêñòðåìèñòàì, è.ò.ä.

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Ýòî òèïà åñëè òåáÿ îòï**äÿò â òåìíîì ïåðåóëêå, çíà÷èò òû èíèöèèðîâàë áåñïîðÿäêè. Íå øëÿëñÿ áû ïî íåõîðîøèì ìåñòàì íî÷üþ, íå áûëî áû íèêàêèõ áåñïîðÿäêîâ.

Àíàëîãèÿ íå êàòèò: îí ñàì ñîçíàòåëüíî è íàìåðåííî ø¸ë íà ïðîâîêàöèþ ïðåêðàñíî çíàÿ ÷åì ýòî êîí÷èòñÿ.

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, ïîïûòàëñÿ ïîäíÿòü ìóòíóþ âîëíó ãåé-èñòåðèè â ñàìîì öåíòðå Ìîñêâû íåñìîòðÿ íà çàïðåò âëàñòåé


"Ìóòíàÿ âîëíà èñòåðèè" - íè ôèãà ñåáå, òû åùå ñòèëü "Ïðàâäû" 70-õ ãîäîâ ïîìíèøü...
Êñòàòè, çàïðåò áûë íà ïàðàä, íî íèêòî íå çàïðåùàë õîäèòü ñ òðåáîâàíèÿìè ðàçðåøåíèÿ ïàðàäà.

Ïóáëè÷íî õîäèòü ñ òðåáîâàíèÿìè ïàðàäà, â ñîñòàâå íåñêîëüêî äåñÿòêîâ ÷åëîâåê, èìåííî òàì ãäå äîëæåí áûë ñîñòîÿòñÿ ïàðàä, è èìåííî â íàçíà÷åííîå âðåìÿ, íàñèëüíî ïûòàòüñÿ ïåðåäàòü ïåòèöèþ ìýðó, êîòîðûé ýòî äåéñòâî çàïðåòèë, è î÷åâèäíî ïåòèöèþ íå ïðèìåò - ýòî è åñòü ïàðàä....èëè øåñòâèå.....èëè ïóáëè÷íîå âûñòóïëåíèå, íàçûâàé êàê õî÷åøü, ñóòü äåëà îò ýòîãî íå ìåíÿåòñÿ.

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Òàê ÷òî ïî çàêîíó íè÷åãî ýòè àêòèâèñòû íå íàðóøàëè.

Ñóä ðàçáåð¸òñÿ...

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Èõ, êñòàòè, ìèëèöèÿ è íå òðîãàëà, ïîòîìó ÷òî îíè íè÷åãî íå íàðóøàëè.

Åù¸ êàê òðîãàëà! Ñìîòðè ôîòî...

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ïîëó÷èë ïî ôåéñó îò âîçìóù¸ííûõ ãðàæäàí


Íå îò âîçìóùåííûõ ãðàæäàí ïîëó÷èë, à îò íàñòîÿùèõ ïèäàðîâ. Òî÷íåå, îò ñêèíõåäîâ, íàöè è ïðî÷èõ õîðóãâåíîñöåâ.

Îíè îò ýòîãî íå ïåðåñòàþò áûòü âîçìóù¸ííûìè ãðàæäàíàìè.

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Êîòîðûå çàêîí, êñòàòè, íàðóøàþò íàïðàâî è íàëåâî.  òîì ÷èñëå, âîò - ìîðäîáèòèå. Èëè ýòî óæå íå ïðåñòóïëåíèå? (â îòëè÷èå, êñòàòè, îò ãîìîñåêñóàëèçìà, êîòîðûé ïðåñòóïëåíèåì íå ÿâëÿåòñÿ).

Ñîãëàñåí, îíè òîæå íàðóøàþò Çàêîí.

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çàáðàëè ñêàíäàëèñòà â ìèëèöèþ


À ÷åì îí ñêàíäàëèñò? Òî, ÷òî îí òåáå íå íðàâèòñÿ, åùå íå ïîâîä ñ÷èòàòü åãî ñêàíäàëèñòîì.

Peter Tatchell - ëè÷íîñòü èçâåñòíàÿ, ñêàíäàëüíàÿ. Âîò çäåñü ìîæíî ïî÷èòàòü, êòî îí òàêîé.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Tatchell

Êàê êîíêðåòíî, ãäå è êîãäà îí ñêàíäàëèë - îá ýòîì ìîæíî ïî÷èòàòü â Wikipedia.

"Some of the activities of OutRage! have been highly controversial. In 1994 it unveiled placards inviting ten Church of England bishops to "tell the truth" about their homosexuality. Shortly afterwards the group wrote to twenty UK MPs, urging them to reveal their homosexuality. Sir James Kilfedder, who had received one of the letters, died two months later of a sudden heart attack on the day one of the Belfast newspapers ran a story about him. Although no definite connection could be proved, Tatchell was widely denounced in the press for having caused the death. In a comment in The Independent in October 2003, Tatchell identified the action with the Bishops as his greatest mistake because it allowed a relevant campaign against the Anglican Church's opposition to homosexual relations to be derailed by putting the focus on OutRage!'s actions.

On April 12, 1998, Tatchell led an OutRage! protest which disrupted the Easter sermon by the Archbishop of Canterbury, George Carey, with Tatchell mounting the pulpit to denounce Carey's stance as supportive of discrimination against lesbians and gay people following the Lambeth Conference earlier that year. The protest had a high media profile, and led to Tatchell's prosecution under the little-used Ecclesiastical Courts Jurisdiction Act 1860 which prohibited disruption in a Church. Tatchell was thwarted in his attempt to summon Carey as a witness, and convicted, but the Judge fined him only the token amount of £18.60 which most commentators assumed was a comment on the age of the statute used."

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Ó ìåíÿ ñåé÷àñ íåò âðåìåíè ïîäðîáíî ðàñïèñûâàòü âñå àðãóìåíòû.

Êîðîòêî - àíàëîãèÿ ìîÿ ñ òåìíûì ïåðåóëêîì î÷åíü äàæå êàòèò. Òû ÷òî, íå çíàåøü, ÷òî ïî íî÷àì íåëüçÿ õîäèòü â íåçíàêîìûõ ìåñòàõ, ãäå êó÷êóåòñÿ øïàíà? Çíàåøü. Òàê ÷åãî ïîïåðñÿ ýòó øïàíó ïðîâîöèðîâàòü? Ñàì âèíîâàò, ÷òî òåáå òàáëî ðàñêâàñèëè.
Âîò òâîÿ ëîãèêà.

Íà ôîòî è âèäåî ÷åòêî âèäíî, ÷òî ïîêà ýòè àêòèâèñòû ñòîÿëè ñî ñâîèìè ïëàêàòèêàìè, ÎÌÎÍ èõ íå òðîãàë. Òû îòêàçûâàåøü ëþäÿì â ïðàâå ïîäàòü ïåòèöèþ ìýðó íà òîì îñíîâàíèè, ÷òî "îíè çíàëè, ÷òî èì îòêàæóò". Òîãäà âîîáùå âñå äåìîíñòðàöèè àïðèîðè íàäî çàïðåòèòü, êðîìå ïåðâîìàéñêîé, ïîòîìó ÷òî òðåáîâàíèÿ äåìîíñòðàíòîâ ðåäêî âûïîëíÿþòñÿ.

Âïðî÷åì, ýòî âñå ìíåíèÿ, ñ êîòîðûìè ìîæíî ñîãëàøàòüñÿ, à ìîæíî íå ñîãëàøàòüñÿ.  íàøåì ñëó÷àå êðèòåðèé äîëæåí áûòü îäèí - çàêîí.

Èìåëè ïðàâî ïî çàêîíó àêòèâèñòû ïîäàâàòü ïåòèöèþ ìýðó? Åñëè ó íàñ ïî çàêîíó çàïðåùåíû ïîäà÷è ïåòèöèé (íó, ãîñóäàðñòâî ïîëèöåéñêîå), òîãäà ÎÌÎÍ äîëæåí áûë èõ ïðîãíàòü.

Ñ "âîçìóùåííûìè ãðàæäàíàìè" âñ¸ ïðîñòî. Âðåçàë êîìó-òî - ïîæàëòå íà íàðû, áåç ðàçãîâîðîâ. Õî÷åøü âîçìóùàòüñÿ - áåðè ïëàêàòèê èëè ïîäàâàé ïåòèöèþ ìýðó ñ ïðîñüáîé ðàçðåøèòü äåìîíñòðàöèþ ïðîòèâ ðàçðåøåíèÿ ãåé-ïàðàäà. À åñëè ñõîäó â ìîðäó áüåøü, ñ òàêèì ðàçãîâîð äîëæåí áûòü êîðîòêèé - çà æîïó è â îáåçüÿííèê. ×òî è ïðîèçîøëî.
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Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
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: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

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Êîðîòêî - àíàëîãèÿ ìîÿ ñ òåìíûì ïåðåóëêîì î÷åíü äàæå êàòèò. Òû ÷òî, íå çíàåøü, ÷òî ïî íî÷àì íåëüçÿ õîäèòü â íåçíàêîìûõ ìåñòàõ, ãäå êó÷êóåòñÿ øïàíà? Çíàåøü. Òàê ÷åãî ïîïåðñÿ ýòó øïàíó ïðîâîöèðîâàòü? Ñàì âèíîâàò, ÷òî òåáå òàáëî ðàñêâàñèëè.
Âîò òâîÿ ëîãèêà.


Òû çàáûâàåøü îäíó âåùü, à èìåííî - ÌÎÒÈÂ.

Êàêîâ ìîòèâ ÷åëîâåêà êîòîðûé ïîø¸ë øëÿòüñÿ ïî ò¸ìíûì ïåðåóëêàì?

Åñëè ýòîò ìîòèâ ïðîñòîé è åñòåñòâåííûé, ñêàæåì, îí ïðîñòî ìèìî ïðîõîäèë, ø¸ë ïî ñâîèì äåëàì, è åìó ðàñêâàñèëè òàáëî, òî, ñ òî÷êè çðåíèÿ Çàêîíà, êîíå÷íî îí íå âèíîâàò, à âèíîâàòû òå, êòî ýòî ñäåëàë. Îíè ïîíåñóò íàêàçàíèå, åñëè èõ êîíå÷íî, ïîéìàþò.

À åñëè îí íàðÿäèëñÿ ãååì (çàêîíîì íå âîçáðàíÿåòñÿ), ïîø¸ë ñïåöèàëüíî ïðîãóëèâàòüñÿ â ò¸ìíûå ïåðåóëêè (çàêîíîì íå âîçáðàíÿåòñÿ), òàì íàø¸ë êîãî-òî è íà÷àë åãî àãèòèðîâàòü (çàêîíîì íå âîçáðàíÿåòñÿ), òîò êàê íàçëî îêàçàëñÿ ÷åëîâåêîì ìàëîêóëüòóðíûì, íåïðîäâèíóòûì â âîïðîñàõ ãîìîñåêñóàëèçìà è ê òîìó æå íåñêîëüêî íåðâîçíûì (áûòü òàêîâûì çàêîíîì íå âîçáðàíÿåòñÿ), ïîñëàë àãèòàòîðà (çàêîíîì íå âîçáðàíÿåòñÿ), òîò óïîðñòâóåò, íå îòñòà¸ò, òðåáóåò ïðèçíàíèÿ ïðàâ ãîìîñåêñóàëèñòîâ (çàêîíîì íå âîçáðàíÿåòñÿ), ìàëîêóëüòóðíûé ïîçâàë ñâîèõ ìàëîêóëüòóðíûõ æå ïðèÿòåëåé, àãèòàòîð ïðîäîëæàåò àãèòèðîâàòü, ñëîâî çà ñëîâî íà÷àëàñü äðàêà, àãèòàòîðà ïîáèëè (ëåãêèå òåëåñíûå ïîâðåæäåíèÿ), ó ìàëîêóëüòóðíûõ ïðèÿòåëåé òîæå èìåþòñÿ ïîâðåæäåíèÿ õîòÿ è ìåíåå çíà÷èòåëüíûå, âñåõ çàìåëè â ìèëèöèþ, íàøëèñü ñâèäåòåëè (áàáóøêà èç äîìà íàïðîòèâ âñ¸ âèäåëà), ñîñòàâèëè ïðîòîêîë, íàóòðî âñåõ îòïóñòèëè.

Ãåé-àêòèâèñò ïîäà¸ò â ñóä íà ìàëîêóëüòóðíûõ îáèä÷èêîâ.

Êàê äóìàåøü, âûèãðàåò îí äåëî?

Âîïðîñ ðèòîðè÷åñêèé....À âåäü åãî çàêîíîïîñëóøíîãî ãðàæäàíèíà ïîáèëè, âñå ñïðàâêè èìåþòñÿ, âðîäå áû çàêîí íàðóøåí....
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À åñëè îí íàðÿäèëñÿ ãååì (çàêîíîì íå âîçáðàíÿåòñÿ), ïîø¸ë ñïåöèàëüíî ïðîãóëèâàòüñÿ â ò¸ìíûå ïåðåóëêè (çàêîíîì íå âîçáðàíÿåòñÿ), òàì íàø¸ë êîãî-òî è íà÷àë åãî àãèòèðîâàòü (çàêîíîì íå âîçáðàíÿåòñÿ), òîò êàê íàçëî îêàçàëñÿ ÷åëîâåêîì ìàëîêóëüòóðíûì, íåïðîäâèíóòûì â âîïðîñàõ ãîìîñåêñóàëèçìà è ê òîìó æå íåñêîëüêî íåðâîçíûì (áûòü òàêîâûì çàêîíîì íå âîçáðàíÿåòñÿ), ïîñëàë àãèòàòîðà (çàêîíîì íå âîçáðàíÿåòñÿ), òîò óïîðñòâóåò, íå îòñòà¸ò, òðåáóåò ïðèçíàíèÿ ïðàâ ãîìîñåêñóàëèñòîâ (çàêîíîì íå âîçáðàíÿåòñÿ), ìàëîêóëüòóðíûé ïîçâàë ñâîèõ ìàëîêóëüòóðíûõ æå ïðèÿòåëåé, àãèòàòîð ïðîäîëæàåò àãèòèðîâàòü


Âîò äî ýòîãî ìåñòà íèêàêèõ âîçðàæåíèé ó çàêîíà íåò. Àãèòèðóéòå, ñêîëüêî õîòèòå, õîòü "çà", õîòü "ïðîòèâ". Ðàñîâîé, êëàññîâîé, íàöèîíàëüíîé ðîçíè íå ïðîïîâåäóåòñÿ, íàñèëèå, âîéíà íå ïðîïîâåäóåòñÿ? íåò. Íó è àãèòèðóéòå äî ïîñèíåíèÿ.

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ñëîâî çà ñëîâî íà÷àëàñü äðàêà, àãèòàòîðà ïîáèëè (ëåãêèå òåëåñíûå ïîâðåæäåíèÿ)


À âîò ýòî ÿâíîå íàðóøåíèå çàêîíà. È íàðóøèòåëü äîëæåí ïîëó÷èòü ïî ÓÊ òî, ÷òî åìó ïðè÷èòàåòñÿ. Åñëè ó íàñ ðóëèò çàêîí, à íå ïîíÿòèÿ.

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À âåäü åãî çàêîíîïîñëóøíîãî ãðàæäàíèíà ïîáèëè, âñå ñïðàâêè èìåþòñÿ, âðîäå áû çàêîí íàðóøåí....


Íå "âðîäå áû", à î÷åíü ÿñíî íàðóøåí. È çàêîí äîëæåí ñâîå ñëîâî ñêàçàòü.

À åñëè âñå ñâîäèòü ê òîìó, ÷òî "ó ãðàæäàí åñòåñòâåííîå âîçìóùåíèå", òî õîðîøî áû âñïîìíèòü, êàê ãîä íàçàä îäèí "âîçìóùåííûé ãðàæäàíèí" áåçîáðàçíè÷àë â ñèíàãîãå. Îí è îáúÿñíÿë, ÷òî åãî ïðàâîñëàâíàÿ ïîçèöèÿ áûëà îñêîðáëåíà, êîãäà â öåíòðå ïðàâîñëàâíîé Ìîñêâû àíòèõðèñòû ñîáèðàþòñÿ, îí áûë âîçìóùåí. Íî Çàêîí ñâîå ñëîâî ñêàçàë. Òàê è çäåñü, Çàêîí äîëæåí ñâîå ñëîâî ñêàçàòü, íåâçèðàÿ íà âñå "ïðàâîñëàâíûå ïîçèöèè".
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Äîáðûé Àäìèíèñòðàòîð (èíîãäà)


: 06.03.2005
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: Îáåð-ãðóïïåí-äîöåíò, ñò. ðóêîâîäèòåëü ãðóïïû ñêîðîñòíûõ ñâèíãåðîâ, îí æå Çàáàøëåâè÷ Îöààò Ïîýëåâè÷

: , 30 2007, 14:47:43     :

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À åñëè îí íàðÿäèëñÿ ãååì (çàêîíîì íå âîçáðàíÿåòñÿ), ïîø¸ë ñïåöèàëüíî ïðîãóëèâàòüñÿ â ò¸ìíûå ïåðåóëêè (çàêîíîì íå âîçáðàíÿåòñÿ), òàì íàø¸ë êîãî-òî è íà÷àë åãî àãèòèðîâàòü (çàêîíîì íå âîçáðàíÿåòñÿ), òîò êàê íàçëî îêàçàëñÿ ÷åëîâåêîì ìàëîêóëüòóðíûì, íåïðîäâèíóòûì â âîïðîñàõ ãîìîñåêñóàëèçìà è ê òîìó æå íåñêîëüêî íåðâîçíûì (áûòü òàêîâûì çàêîíîì íå âîçáðàíÿåòñÿ), ïîñëàë àãèòàòîðà (çàêîíîì íå âîçáðàíÿåòñÿ), òîò óïîðñòâóåò, íå îòñòà¸ò, òðåáóåò ïðèçíàíèÿ ïðàâ ãîìîñåêñóàëèñòîâ (çàêîíîì íå âîçáðàíÿåòñÿ), ìàëîêóëüòóðíûé ïîçâàë ñâîèõ ìàëîêóëüòóðíûõ æå ïðèÿòåëåé, àãèòàòîð ïðîäîëæàåò àãèòèðîâàòü


Âîò äî ýòîãî ìåñòà íèêàêèõ âîçðàæåíèé ó çàêîíà íåò. Àãèòèðóéòå, ñêîëüêî õîòèòå, õîòü "çà", õîòü "ïðîòèâ". Ðàñîâîé, êëàññîâîé, íàöèîíàëüíîé ðîçíè íå ïðîïîâåäóåòñÿ, íàñèëèå, âîéíà íå ïðîïîâåäóåòñÿ? íåò. Íó è àãèòèðóéòå äî ïîñèíåíèÿ.

 òîì òî âñ¸ è äåëî, ÷òî àãèòèðîâàòü äî ïîñèíåíèÿ íå ïîëó÷èòñÿ íèêîèì îáðàçîì. Ó àãèòèðóåìûõ òåðïåíèå íå ðåçèíîâîå, ýòî ðàç. Ëþäè îíè íåðâíûå, ìàëîêóëüòóðíûå, íåïðèâûêøèå îòñòàèâàòü ñâîþ òî÷êó çðåíèÿ ñëîâåñíî, äà åù¸ è äî ïîñèíåíèÿ, äà åù¸ è â âîïðîñå ãäå îíè íåêîìïåòåíòíû, äà åù¸ è â ñïîðå ñ îïïîíåíòîì, êîòîðûé ðàçäðàæàåò èõ ñâîèì âèäîì, è êîòîðûé ïûòàåòñÿ ñêëîíèòü èõ ê ãîìîñåêñóàëèçìó (êàê îíè äóìàþò), íåèñêëþ÷åíî ÷òî ïðÿìî ñåé÷àñ....äàëüøå ïðîäîëæàòü íå áóäó. Ïîýòîìó ôèçè÷åñêèé êîíôëèêò â äàííîì ñëó÷àå íåèçáåæåí. Êòî íàí¸ñ ïåðâûé óäàð óñòàíîâèòü âðÿä ëè óäàñòñÿ, à âîò ÷òî àãèòàòîð òîæå íàíîñèë óäàðû ýòî óñòàíîâèòü î÷åíü äàæå óäàñòñÿ. È âîò ïðè òàêîì ðàñêëàäå ýòîò àãèòàòîð î÷åíü äàæå ñìàõèâàåò íà íàðóøèòåëÿ, êîòîðûé ìîæåò ïîëó÷èòü ïî ÓÊ ÷òî åìó ïðè÷èòàåòñÿ. Íî, òå ìàëîêóëüòóðíûå ëþäè, òîæå ñìàõèâàþò íà íàðóøèòåëåé, îíè âåäü òîæå åãî áèëè. Êàê áûòü? Âñåõ çà ðåø¸òêó?

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À åñëè âñå ñâîäèòü ê òîìó, ÷òî "ó ãðàæäàí åñòåñòâåííîå âîçìóùåíèå", òî õîðîøî áû âñïîìíèòü, êàê ãîä íàçàä îäèí "âîçìóùåííûé ãðàæäàíèí" áåçîáðàçíè÷àë â ñèíàãîãå. Îí è îáúÿñíÿë, ÷òî åãî ïðàâîñëàâíàÿ ïîçèöèÿ áûëà îñêîðáëåíà, êîãäà â öåíòðå ïðàâîñëàâíîé Ìîñêâû àíòèõðèñòû ñîáèðàþòñÿ, îí áûë âîçìóùåí. Íî Çàêîí ñâîå ñëîâî ñêàçàë. Òàê è çäåñü, Çàêîí äîëæåí ñâîå ñëîâî ñêàçàòü, íåâçèðàÿ íà âñå "ïðàâîñëàâíûå ïîçèöèè".

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